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chrisong
Doggyman

May 23, 2006, 4:59 AM

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Hi PSY,

This posted message "dog shows" is not about aims, drive, setting goals for achievements and committment. Is about the right attitude in entering showring with your dog. Wherther you win or lose that is not important in a dog shows, agility or even obedience competitions. With this right attitude it does not show I do not commit myself in bringing out the best of my Silky in the showring or even outside the showring. Dog shows and other dog sport is suppose to be a fun but some people tend to go too far or I call it extreme just because wanted to win the BIS/BIG/BOB. Because their need to WIN it often make the show corrupted and unhealthy.

If you do show a Silky in the near future. You WIN, I will come over and congraturate you "hey good job". We are not making enemy in the showring. We are there is to let the judge to decide wherether our dog are up to the breed written standard that all. If you do a frequent dog show kaki, you will notice when the winner of that particular class receive their ribbon did their competitors go over and congraturate the winner? The answer is NO. Its show so kaisu Malaysian people are. I do have Silky Terrier competitors in the showring but some will come over congraturate you after you win some cannot take it and treat you as a enemy just because their dog lose to yours dog. Some after fews show because of losing, they did not want to participate anymore. That is what happening in Malaysia Showring now.

I don't want this to be a long discussion anymore about dog shows. If you think you have the best formula to success in the showring or any competitions just follow what you believe in. I hope one day can see you in showring with you Silky.

Cheers

Kells
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May 25, 2006, 3:58 AM

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Hie! Well the US seem to have a competition for everything. I wonder if there is a category for "Cutest Dog" or most helpful pet? I am sure Paco would win in this category! Its a shame a non-pedigree competition is not so wide spread.

Take care.

PSY
K9 Kaki

May 25, 2006, 5:42 AM

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Look again I emphasize, you have no inkling what you are saying, my initial response was to serene_kwlim as this paricular member sounds pretty discourage about GSD showing and it was your initial posting that started this member's response. To me I read as serene_kwlim has lost sight of the goal in showing the GSD, hence my aim was to direct serene_kwlim back on the path fighting in GSD comformaty show.

As for showing silky or any other breed, I shall never participate simply because I do not have the time to prepare a dog for it, in short I do not believe in doing things in half measures.

So if you can't stick to the subject being discussed which has nothing to do with the a dog show but digress to knowing your goals and persuing it with committment then you have so far said nothing at all. Note, you have always have problems on this as you may not have notice you have really written some stuuf and have hurt some feelings and if it is the understanding of the english language then maybe you should either re-read things you have written or else get someone to write for you.

chrisong
Doggyman

May 25, 2006, 7:21 AM

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Hahaha......

All I can say to you "All the best" in what you believe in.

You will still seeing me Showing my dogs in MKA Showring for at least 30 years to come (if I can still able to do so).

Cheers

kitconnie78
ALPHA

May 25, 2006, 7:41 PM

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Well Chris looks like we just have to keep showing until we win more.

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PSY
K9 Kaki

May 26, 2006, 12:38 AM

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Please read your posting again, where did I mention you not to show your dogs, do show them for the next thirty if possible sixty years, again the issue is your committment in preparing for the show, god, I thinks I can get more response talking to a "brick wall", your dear friend is there to just support what you say but really is not paying much attention to what is being said, do hope her understanding of the english language is better than yours and just posting for the sake of it.

Amanda85
Doggyman

May 26, 2006, 2:38 AM

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I find something weird about d dog show world wide....

they mostly emphasize on d dog physical structure, gait movement, n their facial expression

but since ppl aim 2 improve d breed....

why don't they test on their natural ability.....that d main goal for what they are breed for...

like Gundog....show able to retrieve....n hunting dog should know how 2 hunt... d border collie would know how to herd...

that's no point that a most beautiful GR win a title.....n claim he is d best GR wit d best gene.... but dunno how to do a good retrieve.... Mad

do anyone do feel d same way as i do?? or am i juz being silly to think that way....

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(This post was edited by Amanda85 on May 26, 2006, 2:40 AM)

simchi
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May 26, 2006, 4:36 AM

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excuse my very limited knowledge ah ..

dog show = conformation showing = to pick the best dog to use for breeding ..

and they have other competitions like obedience trials , field trials , tracking tests , agility trials , hunting tests and etc .

PSY
K9 Kaki

May 26, 2006, 7:29 AM

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Hi Amanda,

You may have sort of miss the point a wee bit here. A comformaty show is to see how close to the standard of a particular breed is and this involve gaiting etc. After saying this there are other shows that also involve these show dogs which obedience trial, etc. In Malaysia we only have the comformaty show which is the importanat one but they do have the obedience trail too which presently a minor competition. This is rather unfortunate for owners like you. Establishments like puppy.com should have competition like this but not at the gathering they hold at 1 Utama, Central Park. This competition should be done on concrete floor not grass. Then there are agility etc that should be held too, now this is great on grass surfaces. I think there is something on June 18th at Central Park so maybe you can ahve a go there.

ppdcdm
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May 26, 2006, 9:00 AM

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NOpe, in the avatar is not my GR. this is the simple word i told that chrisong, since then he keep saying i own GR,, haih!!!

kitconnie78
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May 26, 2006, 5:50 PM

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Well I guess puppy.com organize gathering for dogs and owners to have fun rather than competing for anything special or getting title for it.

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kitconnie78
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May 26, 2006, 5:53 PM

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I really agree with what you said. The dog can be the best in the breed but doesn't know how to do the basic things the particular breed should be able to do. I own border collie. Although there is nothing for my dog to herd but when she is around other dogs her herding instinct will start to kick in and she will start herding other dogs. Laugh

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kitconnie78
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May 26, 2006, 5:57 PM

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How can you tell that the people who goes for show doesn't have the committment to it? I am sure everyone entered for the show had some kind of committment. It depends how much committment an individual will contribute. As for the comment on English language understanding, I guess I am not the only person who don't understand your english. You should start to learn how to make people understand your language. Sly

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Amanda85
Doggyman

May 26, 2006, 10:03 PM

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but wat's d point by having juz d best outlook....

i think having d ability....to wat they r intentionally being breed 4 is d most important...

outlook doesn't mean anything.....its juz purely beautiful....

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Riccaval
ALPHA

May 27, 2006, 12:57 AM

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I think you have totally miss the plot my dear.

You must first find out whats the purpose/ objective of having Conformation Dog Shows.

There are other dog competition that other forumers have mentioned that actually awards dogs for what they were originally bred for........which is ur cup of tea.

Havent u heard "a thing of beauty is a joy for forever" Wink

(This post was edited by Riccaval on May 27, 2006, 1:01 AM)

luv_pipi
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May 29, 2006, 1:25 AM

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Sorry i am not a big fans in dog show or a dog show enthusiats. Certainly I am impress to see some dogs performing tricks and showing their good talent. But definitely not my own dog because i know her basic instinct is not to show off to people how obedient she is and what kind of good tricks she can perform. She performs tricks when she wants some food/attention from me. These are basic instincts for "simple" dogs. Trophy and awards mean nothing to dogs, only to the human beings.

Definitely commercial reasoning is there for the dog owner. It is the same for trainning a monkey to play some tricks and hoping the monkey will earn some money back from his performance. People can continue to show off his dogs at the Dog Show if he thinks his dogs are of good potential. But stop arguing that this is not for winning purpose and other crappy reasons like "My dog enjoys being demonstrated on stage or showing her talents to the audience".

It is the human itself who enjoys the glory of winning, not the dog.

Bless all the Dog Show participants!

My PiPi does not have long fur Frown

My PiPi does not win any awards in DoG Show Frown

My PiPi is not a member of MKA Frown

My PiPi does not attend obedience and agility training Frown

My pipi is a simple dog Frown

PSY
K9 Kaki

May 29, 2006, 6:25 AM

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You have just said it "how much commitment", that is the key here. As for the english language if you do not understand the "queens english" there is not a lot one can say about it. Well, if kells, I think who is from England can get the idea of where I am coming from, hence my grasp of the english language cannot be that bad. Anyway, the whole issue has gone out of context so I am going to let it end here.

PSY
K9 Kaki

May 29, 2006, 6:27 AM

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Ok and I shan't force you to show your hand in this "card game".

PSY
K9 Kaki

May 29, 2006, 6:34 AM

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You have raise a very good point but if we are to look at the set up Malaysia has you are right but if you have a look at the US and Britain they do have comformaty champs competing in obedience and agility, retrieval trial, herding etc etc in their respective breed chapter. Comformaty is not beauty but comparing a particular breed to a standard.

Amanda85
Doggyman

May 30, 2006, 6:27 PM

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eventhough i din take part in show....i know wat they r meant for...n what is their aim...

but i juz feel that if they intend 2 look for d best of the breed....they should hv take into account...their main role for what they r intentionally being breed for'.....not juz judging their physical outlook.....

as for other comformation mentioned by PSY....like hunting , herding trial....they juz emphasize on their ability....n not their beauty...

n ofcoz a comprise of both beauty n oso ability will truely means d top dog of the breed!!

Pacco de Mongrel
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serene_kwlim
K9 Maniac

May 30, 2006, 7:56 PM

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wow,

seems my post hv coz u guys alot of disscussions n quarrells around here...sorry..sorry.. Unsure

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(This post was edited by serene_kwlim on May 30, 2006, 7:58 PM)

Kells
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May 31, 2006, 5:24 AM

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Hiya! Please do not apologies. I think the discussion on points in hand and those not in hand needed to be brought up. We are all trying to express our selves but thhe most important thing is that there are those out there who supports you and will continue to encourage you to succeed.

Look at it at as not as a quarrel but as a healthy debate!

Take care.

Kells
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May 31, 2006, 5:53 AM

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Hie! I am only just replying to you reply to PSY to the following statement:

"As for the comment on English language understanding, I guess I am not the only person who don't understand your english. You should start to learn how to make people understand your language. Sly

", please can I take this as it is in reference to comments made by chrisong and following replies from PSY.

I am from the UK, and through the postings I have read I have noted 2 mistakes made by Chrisong being: [sorry not too good with the links method so I am cutting and pasting here]

Mistake 1: In reply to your posting about PSY "last posting" I must say I agree with ppdcm posted on 14/5/06 at 3.34am:

"man, wat is the point of pointing out somebody saying they MIGHT posting the last posting?"

Whether or not that person will post or not is his or her's business entirely.

Please also note that we are currently on a web side that is bound by puppy.com.my rules and regulations and therefore, if the powers to be at puppy.com.my, considered that he or she has breached those rules and regulations, they could ban the person in question from any future posting.

As I read your reply and ppdcm's reply, and as you have kindly provided the link where you replied to PSY:

"I thought that is your last posting from puppycom? refer your posting here just to refeash your memory www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=259462;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread"

I decided to investigate into this matter and put this matter to rest, if at all possible.

PSY in his posting on 15/4/06 at 8.49pm RE: Kevin Chuan Trouble Maker in Forum [In Reply to] states: "This may be my last posting after this one so like to wish you and your group all the best. Cheerio."

It would seem that there has been a mis-interpretation of what PSY had written. He clearly states that it "MAY BE" his last posting and clearly did not say it is his last posting.

Therefore, in conclusion, it is very important when interpreting a written statement, it must be construed in its entirety and not just parts of the given statement as this will not provide an accurate account of that person's true intention.

Thank you

Mistake 2: In response to your reply to ppdcmc on:

"Ya, I agree, you should talk something relevant to this post dog show not simply bla bla here bla bla there, is that bla bla an english? Hmmm.......I should go check my dictionary & come back to you."

to her statement on:

"A lot of ppl LIKE me bla bla bla. omg, i never intend to enter show how can i be like those bla bla who enter show bla bla? stop talking irrelevant things here, nobody ever ask u to agree with me la."

Please may I so kindly add to your statement on "...is that bla bla an english?

According to Chamber 21st Century Dictionary: blah/bla - slang; noun bunkum pretentious nonsense. blah,blah, blah an expression used instead of repeating words which have already been said, often because they are not worth repeating anyway.

Thus, in conclusion, please check with a dictionary before questioning another on the use of the English Language.

Thank you

I think in this 2 instances the facts stands on their own.

I should also point out that though I am from the UK, I still do from time to time struggle with the English Language, and I will consult the dictionary or I will ask for assistance for clearer clarification, when I run into trouble.

I am currently still trying to work out from my statement: "Competition is healthy, and winning is important" can be translated to "For you maybe WINNING IS EVERYTHING".

If I can't work this one out myself and I will be asking for help.

Take care.

PSY
K9 Kaki

May 31, 2006, 6:09 AM

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Hey, hi and please do not worry about it, do not apologise. I just find it rather annoying when chrisong post something it is mostly very ambigious and some forum members may just mis-interpret and may mis-lead to what ever issue it maybe. This is rather common with him as pass posting, if you care to refer, will show. Sure hope you get back to the show ring soon.

hunter
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May 31, 2006, 9:02 AM

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Different competitions tests different aspects of a dog.

Conformation shows judges how close a dog conform to it's breed standards.

Obedience trials tests a dog's intelligence (actually, all dog sports require intelligence)

Herding trials tests a dog's herding instincts

Field trials tests a dog's ability to hunt

and then there's other sports like agility, flyball, earthdog trials, sledding and etc.

The point here is, people enter their dogs in different type of shows/competitions/trials to compete in different things. This is purely based on one's interest, just like some people are into football, some into bodybuilding, some into art. Each competition have specific purposes.

Dogs are also bred for different purposes. Some bred specifically for conformation, some for working purposes. For example, there are golden retrievers bred for conformation shows which are structurely bulkier. Then there are field goldens with lighter bones and shorter coat, bred specifically for field work/hunting. Many breeders say that field goldens can't win in conformation shows as they do not really conform to the breed standard. Likewise, show goldens could not excel in field trials either, as they can't move as fast/light as the field goldens due to their heavy structure and long coat.

I don't think that there are shows that tests a dog in everything. It will be pointless, as I mentioned earlier, different people have different preference - some may prefer focusing on honing a dog's herding instincts while others work hard to breed dogs that are close to the breed standard.

However, it is not impossible to test a dog on it's structure and other working abilities. It can be done by entering a dog in various sports. In overseas there are dogs that excel in various sports and are heavily titled with conformation, obedience, agility, field titles and etc.

I'm no breeder, but I do know that it's NOT easy to breed a perfect dog that have superb structure, temperament and also able to excel in working trials. It's also not easy to spend time/money/effort to campaign a dog for various sports at a time!

Check out this dog's pedigree name : "BIS BISS AM CAN Ch. Rush Hill's H�agen-Dazs, CDX, JH, AX, OAJ, WCX, VCX, Can. CD, Can. WC, OS, SDHF" - the titles in front of "Rush Hill's Haagen-Dazs" indicates this dog's conformation show titles. The ones behind indicates obedience titles, field titles, agility titles (and the rest I have no idea what they stand for)

It's not impossible to have a dog that excels in everything. But it sure is difficult!

(This post was edited by hunter on May 31, 2006, 9:06 AM)

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