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chrisong
Doggyman

Apr 15, 2006, 5:43 AM


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DOG SHOWS

Dog Shows - be there All Breed Championship Shows or Specialty Shows one comment we often hear is “If I can’t win, I’m not going.” Well if you don’t you are losers.

You don’t go to shows to win. Many exhibitors have lost sight of the purpose of dog shows. You show your dogs and there are so many more reasons to attend. You go to see old friends and make new ones. If you have a female you would like to breed, you go to check out the males. You might find the perfect one. She may not win. But one of their offspring just might.

There have been cases of exhibitors who have gone to shows for 10 years or more and have never won. Dog shows are about everything but winning. Only one dog can do that. Of cause all exhibitors day dream of winning – after all showing dogs is winning Best in Show but few will realize that dream. Everybody who goes to show their dogs win just in different ways when they go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who.

Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever.




(This post was edited by chrisong on Apr 15, 2006, 5:44 AM)


daniel.woo
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Apr 18, 2006, 8:57 PM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Well said, couldn't agree more.


mcmann
Old Hand


Apr 21, 2006, 2:30 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS


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Dog Shows - be there All Breed Championship Shows or Specialty Shows one comment we often hear is “If I can’t win, I’m not going.” Well if you don’t you are losers.

You don’t go to shows to win. Many exhibitors have lost sight of the purpose of dog shows. You show your dogs and there are so many more reasons to attend. You go to see old friends and make new ones. If you have a female you would like to breed, you go to check out the males. You might find the perfect one. She may not win. But one of their offspring just might.

There have been cases of exhibitors who have gone to shows for 10 years or more and have never won. Dog shows are about everything but winning. Only one dog can do that. Of cause all exhibitors day dream of winning – after all showing dogs is winning Best in Show but few will realize that dream. Everybody who goes to show their dogs win just in different ways when they go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who.

Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever.






Well said well said, many ppl thinks that go show must win, if not go for what. Well, i think even if your dog is nice but without handling experience in the ring. u will get nothing.







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kitconnie78
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Apr 23, 2006, 3:13 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

That is the true spirit of dog show.

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serene_kwlim
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May 7, 2006, 6:12 PM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Dear Cris,

I agree wut u said, but sometimes for those who shown gsds.. is very upset to go for shows coz v aldy know our dog wont get any chance to hv even a red ribbon.Frown tis is y u see there's less newbie entering gsd group nowadays..Frown

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PSY
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May 13, 2006, 12:50 AM


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Re: [serene_kwlim] DOG SHOWS

Hi,

From your posting you sound rather discourage however do you know why you and your GSD is not making the mark? Is it the dog, your preparation of your dog for the show or your presentation? If it is your dog, then you may not have the eye to catch the critical points in the standard and hence you need to learn more, if it is your preparation, then time is required and then the presentation, that is your showmanship, well you either have it or not. I know some owners actually engage others to show the dog so that is one option.

As for the nonsence of not winning is not important so I ask why participate at all? It is such a non-motivational attitute to have in life. As for socialising, most breeders do not appreciate anyone bringing a non showing dog to the show as it is a major distraction and also leaves room for trouble as some may wish to cause some chaos by bringing a bitch that is on heat. If you wish to socialse your dog go and visit at Odedience training sessions either at Puppy.com or M.K.A.

As for looking for a stud dog, if your bitch is not up to par why breed it? As a rule of thumb the bitch usually is the dog that contributes to her off-spring.

As for GSD, you should look at it objectively and have another go, beside the competition is pretty tough as the pool of dogs is fairly hugh unlike breeds with small numbers.

So to conclude, if not to win then do not show.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 13, 2006, 2:23 AM


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Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

"Hi,

From your posting you sound rather discourage however do you know why you and your GSD is not making the mark? Is it the dog, your preparation of your dog for the show or your presentation? If it is your dog, then you may not have the eye to catch the critical points in the standard and hence you need to learn more, if it is your preparation, then time is required and then the presentation, that is your showmanship, well you either have it or not. I know some owners actually engage others to show the dog so that is one option.

As for the nonsence of not winning is not important so I ask why participate at all? It is such a non-motivational attitute to have in life. As for socialising, most breeders do not appreciate anyone bringing a non showing dog to the show as it is a major distraction and also leaves room for trouble as some may wish to cause some chaos by bringing a bitch that is on heat. If you wish to socialse your dog go and visit at Odedience training sessions either at Puppy.com or M.K.A.

As for looking for a stud dog, if your bitch is not up to par why breed it? As a rule of thumb the bitch usually is the dog that contributes to her off-spring.

As for GSD, you should look at it objectively and have another go, beside the competition is pretty tough as the pool of dogs is fairly hugh unlike breeds with small numbers.

So to conclude, if not to win then do not show. "

All your answer already here on my first posting. Recap : -


Dog Shows - be there All Breed Championship Shows or Specialty Shows one comment we often hear is “If I can’t win, I’m not going.” Well if you don’t you are losers.

You don’t go to shows to win. Many exhibitors have lost sight of the purpose of dog shows. You show your dogs and there are so many more reasons to attend. You go to see old friends and make new ones. If you have a female you would like to breed, you go to check out the males. You might find the perfect one. She may not win. But one of their offspring just might.

There have been cases of exhibitors who have gone to shows for 10 years or more and have never won. Dog shows are about everything but winning. Only one dog can do that. Of cause all exhibitors day dream of winning – after all showing dogs is winning Best in Show but few will realize that dream. Everybody who goes to show their dogs win just in different ways when they go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who.

Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 14, 2006, 12:10 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

You question others answering your postings so why are you doing so????

Your posting (initial one) is extremely ambiguous and full of contradictions, in fact all your postings. Since I am here now, why are you showing if not to win? Oh you may answer this posting to you but if you choose not to it is fine too, one can draw a conclusion from that.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 14, 2006, 3:11 AM


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Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Yes you are right. One will draw a conclusion from what you have posted here.

I thought that is your last posting from puppycom? refer your posting here just to refeash your memory http://www.puppy.com.my/...;;page=unread#unread


ppdcdm
Member


May 14, 2006, 11:34 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

by seing this posting of urs im drawing a conclusion that u r DAMN CHILDISH!!!

man, wat is the point of pointing out somebody saying they MIGHT posting the last posting?

it is such a nonsense, if u r so professional u will discuss it properly rather than searching for somebody's hystory which has nothing to do with showing a dog.

if u r so professional may i know why u only have a dog who win prizes?

well if u don mind abt winning, y not u bring ur show dog there to socialise, u oso can make new friends, then let others a higher chance to win?

winning not important for u wat, so lets those who feel important to go there lo.


(This post was edited by ppdcdm on May 14, 2006, 11:36 AM)


chrisong
Doggyman

May 14, 2006, 6:10 PM


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Re: [ppdcdm] DOG SHOWS

if u r so professional may i know why u only have a dog who win prizes?

well if u don mind abt winning, y not u bring ur show dog there to socialise, u oso can make new friends, then let others a higher chance to win?

winning not important for u wat, so lets those who feel important to go there lo.

Really, How come I don't know all my dog winning prize.Crazy I currently own 5 Silky, not all of them are show quality. Even I show them before but no win. I already know they can't win but still try it out. If I know my dog cannot win why you think I am enroll them to show? Did you know I bring all my dog in any activities held by Puppy.com & others? How about your GR?

You are so funny in your last post. You mean my dog keep winning no give chance to others? Hahahaha You think my dog all the time win? I been attenting dog show for 5 year now. Only recently my Sillky start winning. Alot of people like you like to put people down by saying some nasty thing to you and backstab you just wanted you to will feel bad so you want to get off the show ring so that they can win. But nice try I spend alot of money attending show for the past 5 years for me is a experience & knowlegde that will be with me for my whole life & I will continue showing my Silky untill I am no longer able to so.

So happy backstabbing yaTongue


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 15, 2006, 7:29 PM


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Re: [ppdcdm] DOG SHOWS

Well show is a sport. I agree with Chris that going for show doesn't mean you have to win. If you can't win in the show you can keep trying.

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kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 15, 2006, 7:30 PM


Views: 23676
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Sometimes we go for show it doesn't guarantee you will win. Dog show is a sport. We need to have sportsmanship if you want to go for a show. Win and lose is a common thing in show. Smile

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PSY
K9 Kaki


May 16, 2006, 4:36 AM


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Re: [kitconnie78] DOG SHOWS

Hi,

The issue here is I am not saying it is not a sport, what I am trying to point out is motivation, a goal, a drive to be the best when you partake or participate in anything but the initial posting as it states "it does not matter if you do not win as some have participated for a decade and still at it. It is such a pessimistic and defeatist attitute. One should encourage to go in to win and not it does not matter.

My response was to give a slight push or motivation for that aprticular forum member not to give up.

Another point that is worth pondering over is that, if one has that attitute of not wanting to win why waste time for others who are showing and drag the show till the late evening?


chrisong
Doggyman

May 16, 2006, 5:08 AM


Views: 23651
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Yes everyone enter showring wanted to win but not all can win, that why I say before go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who. I always believing this "Don't give up, Your time will come".

That why I say to you all your doubt are there in my first posting.Unsure


chrisong
Doggyman

May 16, 2006, 7:04 AM


Views: 23645
Re: [all] DOG SHOWS

Winning is never everything in all competitions!!!

If everyone were to feel less about winning and more about enjoying themselves, the show would be filled with a happier spirit.

Cheers


8033
Dog Kichi


May 16, 2006, 5:59 PM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

U r right, winning is never everything in all competitions.. cos its the only thing in all competitions Sly

if u really think u dont hv even the slimmest chance to win in the competition u r entering, its just plain time wasting for yourself as well as other competitors. and i think most if not all of the people entering a competition think themselves got a chance of winning, no matter how lousy they actually are.. watch the american/malaysia idol audition shown on tv and u'll know what i mean.


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 16, 2006, 7:48 PM


Views: 23625
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

I am sure all people who attended the show will hope to win. Yet it doesn't really matter if you really win or not in the first place. You might not win in the first time. You just have to try a few more times. When I say it doesn't really matter win or not, we are not being pessimistic or defeatist attitude. We must know how good our dog compare to other dogs.

As I said dog show is a sport we cannot just tell others that if you can't win please don't join in and prolong the show time. The purpose of the show is to let anyone who think that they wanted to participate to join in the show. I am sure all who enter for show wanted to win but still it doesn't mean you will win. You enter the show in hope of winning. If you lose you have to try again next time.

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kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 16, 2006, 7:52 PM


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Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS

I am sure everyone who enter the show carry the hope they have a chance to win. I really encourage anyone who love to join for the show please do. Don't worry about winning or losing. You need to gain experience first before you can win. It won't be a waste of time even you win nothing. Experience is very important. You may lose in the show but the experience you gain is uncountable.

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8033
Dog Kichi


May 16, 2006, 8:13 PM


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Re: [kitconnie78] DOG SHOWS

agreed. however, when i said winning is everything, it doesnt mean that u wont gain anything if u lose.. u will be able to gain experience, make frens, etc. but u'll only improve & put in yr best effort if u hv the urge to win. i hate to lose Tongue


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 16, 2006, 10:04 PM


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Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS

Anyone who join competition must be in your best. Once you did your best lose or win is up to the judge to decide. Sly Well I just a lot of peopl hate to lose but there must be a loser.

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estkit
Enthusiast


May 17, 2006, 7:02 AM


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DOG SHOWS

Actually wat we need to consider to enter mka dog show?i wonder can my mocha qualified?i dunno how le.pls advise


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chrisong
Doggyman

May 17, 2006, 4:17 PM


Views: 23549
Re: [estkit] DOG SHOWS

Hi esther,

Please check the link for more detail. http://www.mka.org.my/sport_conform_rules.htm

Hope this help.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 18, 2006, 5:23 AM


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Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS

Thank-you 8033, at last to see someone who realise what "drive", "motivation" and "setting goals" is all about. The problem in a general way, is most Malaysian have this lackadaisical attitude to things they undertake and your example of the "Idols" competition/contest is really great in pointing out what I was trying to point out to fellow forumers. All the best to you.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 18, 2006, 6:14 AM


Views: 23515
Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS


In Reply To
agreed. however, when i said winning is everything, it doesnt mean that u wont gain anything if u lose.. u will be able to gain experience, make frens, etc. but u'll only improve & put in yr best effort if u hv the urge to win. i hate to lose Tongue



I consider showing dogs a fun way to spend time in my relationship with the dogs. I consider it my job to teach them to love to show so I can KNOW they are having a good time and can show them and ask them to go through all the other stuff, because they like the ring too.

My dogs are the reason for the show, not the other way around. As long as the dog and I are having an ongoing relationship that is enjoyable and trusting, the priorities are right and the show will go on. Winning is important, but leaving the ring with a dog that is wagging its tail is more important and in the long run, leads to more winning anyway. Preparing for and participating in a show is an exciting way to build a close, strong relationship with your dog. The biggest thing I do is love my dogs. The dog shows are something that I can do with them. Many people go to gym or swimming, but their pets aren't involved. When you go to dog shows your pets are there with you. It's all for them.

If we rely on winning to have a good time, then we rely on a system that is terribly flawed and often corrupt, to identify the "best dog" that in the best of worlds is subjective anyway. If we rely on enjoying our dogs and them enjoying our company, at least the dogs' half of the equation is usually successful and we only have to work on ourselves.


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 18, 2006, 5:51 PM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Well said Chris. We need to enjoy ourselves sometimes so does our dog. Bring dog to show is a good sport. Really encourage more to people to join in the show.

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8033
Dog Kichi


May 19, 2006, 1:48 AM


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Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

No problem, PSY Wink and i was just expressing what i felt.


8033
Dog Kichi


May 19, 2006, 2:00 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

maybe i'm too ignorant but how can u teach yr dogs to love showing? yr dogs maybe good in showing because of yr teaching but u really think they love it? do the trophies and title mean anything to them? these things are meant for us human.

if its yr dogs yr only concerned, i think u'll only hv to spend alot of time with them, play fetch or go jogging with them.. they will be equally if not more happy than going for show.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 19, 2006, 3:13 AM


Views: 9743
Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS

Trust me is not worth it, too darn dogmatic when it comes to attitute. The issue of my response to point out that we need a will to succeed but certain mentality feels that some of us are place in this world to make up the numbers.

Take care and you have fun with your dog/dogs.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 19, 2006, 4:25 AM


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Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS


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maybe i'm too ignorant but how can u teach yr dogs to love showing? yr dogs maybe good in showing because of yr teaching but u really think they love it? do the trophies and title mean anything to them? these things are meant for us human.

if its yr dogs yr only concerned, i think u'll only hv to spend alot of time with them, play fetch or go jogging with them.. they will be equally if not more happy than going for show.



Hi 8033,

The purpose of this thread I posted up here is to let potential dog show owner to know what is dog show is really about. Have the right attitude as long u don't take win or lose as serious matters, overall is fun and worth it.

Not all dogs can be a show dog, & trust me you can teach your dog enjoy entering the show ring, same goes to obedience & agility competition. Yes. I agree and I did mention in my posting "Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever."

If you know me in person, you will know I spend most of my time with my dog. Dog Show are just one activities I bring them with me. I not only bring them to dog show but also participate others activities like, puppy.com activities, visit orphanage & old folks home, daily walk at my housing area, shopping mall & lastly visiting their dogggie friends in a gathering.

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julie83
Dog Kichi


May 19, 2006, 10:16 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Thanks for sharing this post with us chris. Honestly, i can see a very different perspective from you and PSY whom i think its too ambitious when it comes to dog show/championship. Now perhaps that might make me labeled as 'pessimistic or defeatist 'Cool

''Winning is important, but leaving the ring with a dog that is wagging its tail is more important and in the long run, leads to more winning anyway.'' I totally agree with you on this. I guess winning your doggie's heart is a thousand times better than winning the judges' heart Wink


kitconnie78
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May 19, 2006, 4:58 PM


Views: 9725
Re: [julie83] DOG SHOWS

Well said. All dog lovers sure wants to win their dogs' heart.

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8033
Dog Kichi


May 19, 2006, 5:53 PM


Views: 9720
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

its alright, there is no need to check this and that.. everyone is entitled to his/her own views.


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 19, 2006, 8:23 PM


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Re: [All] DOG SHOWS

come on guys, b sporting!!

in fact, every participant wish to win.... but showmanship is definately more important

if mka hv dog show for non-pedigree, i'll definately join....coz i oso love 2 run in d rings wit my pacco...

during puppy.com event, i joined fastest eating wit my dog, eventhough i knew tat she wouldn't wan 2 eat....

i joined longest stay, eventhough i knew she doesn't know how to stay.....

i do join PJ Half Marathon, Malay Mail Big Walk, Tennis competition every year...

definately i knew i would never win....the probability is 0%....coz i'm not an athlete, i'm not good in tennis either...

but i enjoyed being a PARTICIPANT....

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(This post was edited by Amanda85 on May 19, 2006, 8:29 PM)


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 19, 2006, 8:46 PM


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Re: [All] DOG SHOWS

okla....i try 2 look @ ur point of view....

if i'm confident i'm good in sumthing, then i'l aim for a WIN...

like when my teacher choose me 2 join for a science competition during primary school....

i tot i will definately win....coz my teacher choose me out of hundreds of ppl.....

i then go wit a HIGH hope of winning....

so mayb some of them who spent thousands of dollar 2 get themselve of champion quality showdog...

they aim 4 winning.....if they cannot win...they get dissapointed n felt tat d puppy its not worth d money

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chrisong
Doggyman

May 19, 2006, 8:51 PM


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Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

Another example:

I like languages, so i would like to learn Thai. But I don't think that i would do it to win a Thai debate persay.

Not winning is not a sign of failure, but that you have tried.


Kells
Novice

May 20, 2006, 11:15 PM


Views: 9659
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

In reply to your posting about PSY "last posting" I must say I agree with ppdcm posted on 14/5/06 at 3.34am:

"man, wat is the point of pointing out somebody saying they MIGHT posting the last posting?"

Whether or not that person will post or not is his or her's business entirely.

Please also note that we are currently on a web side that is bound by puppy.com.my rules and regulations and therefore, if the powers to be at puppy.com.my, considered that he or she has breached those rules and regulations, they could ban the person in question from any future posting.

As I read your reply and ppdcm's reply, and as you have kindly provided the link where you replied to PSY:

"I thought that is your last posting from puppycom? refer your posting here just to refeash your memory www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=259462;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread"

I decided to investigate into this matter and put this matter to rest, if at all possible.

PSY in his posting on 15/4/06 at 8.49pm RE: Kevin Chuan Trouble Maker in Forum [In Reply to] states: "This may be my last posting after this one so like to wish you and your group all the best. Cheerio."

It would seem that there has been a mis-interpretation of what PSY had written. He clearly states that it "MAY BE" his last posting and clearly did not say it is his last posting.

Therefore, in conclusion, it is very important when interpreting a written statement, it must be construed in its entirety and not just parts of the given statement as this will not provide an accurate account of that person's true intention.

Thank you


Kells
Novice

May 21, 2006, 12:17 AM


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Re: [serene_kwlim] DOG SHOWS

Hie!! I have been reading the views of those posted their view on the dog shows especially yours.

Pardon me, but I had problem reading your posting as I could not understand some of the abbreviations...old fashoned I am and also from the UK, so unsure about some of words being used. So I had to wreck my poor brains and I hope I get it right.

Do I understand that you are a proud owner of German Shepherds [hoping GSD means German Shepherd Dogs?]. Lovely dogs. I know a few people who has that breed.

Anyway, reading your posting you seem to be at a lost of whether or not to show your dogs on the grounds that they are not winning. Please do not feel that way.

As to the reasons why they are not winning, do not dwell on them too much. Use those reasons to your advantage and not as your disadvatange. The most important thing is that you must have faith in your dogs as they have in you and together you can go far.

Everyone who enters a dog show believes that their dog can win, and you must stick to that believe. So, please do not give up as you may never know one day you may just win that all elusive red ribbon!

Also, I think the judges are having a harder time to decide who should be the winner. In their eyes they probably feel that each dog is a winner in its own rgiht and to pick one over the other must be hard for them.

As for newbie, does this means new blood into the group and competition as a whole?

I do know from following Crufts that in the past the competion was within the UK breeders only. Since the introduction of Pets Passport, there has been an influx of overseas dogs and in the last 2 years Supreme Champion has been dogs from the US.

Maybe if there is to be an injection of new blood, would it not be best for the those who breed and show dogs to campaign your local Kennel Club to open up the competition.

So, please Never Give Up on showing your dogs. Take care and good luck.


Kells
Novice

May 21, 2006, 2:03 AM


Views: 9642
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

I agree that we must all be sporting whether we win or lose. Gracious in losing and humble in winning!!

I agree participation in any event is important but when we participate are we are not only there to enjoy oneself but also to give 100% and a little bit more because at the end of the day we all have the urge to win. Even achieving a personal best is still winning!

By the way you will be happy to know the wether in the UK is rain and yet more rain!

Well I hope one day someone will have a competition for non pedigree dogs and you and Paco can participate and hoping you will win hands down!


Kells
Novice

May 21, 2006, 2:20 AM


Views: 9640
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Hello!! As I am reading all the postings in chronologial order, it seems what has started as a genuine discussion on dog shows has turned out to be a right "ding-dong" discussion.

Shall we all move on and discuss DOGS?
Let me start......

I used to dog sit for a friend, a West Highland White and he was lovely dog. Besides, being well trained he made me laugh with his antics. The thing that made me laugh most, when the soaps came one like Eastenders or Coronation Street, he would start "singing" to it.

Now is that not a lovely story?


Kells
Novice

May 21, 2006, 3:24 AM


Views: 9635
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

I had been reading this posting and now I am wondering about your idea of participating in dog shows as a competitor and not winning is not everything....

This make one's mind boggles. The whole idea in participating in a competition is do the very best and to win ultimatley. Is it not?

I understand it is difficult to come out on top in any competition and everyone dreams of winning does that not tell you that it is in the human nature that we go out there to win in one manner or another.

If you take a deeper look, for example, the cycle of evolution, there was a competion between species to see who come out the top of the pecking order and guess what, MAN came out on top. The reason being we had a stronger will to win.

If you look at Crufts Dog Show, many of the breeders had worked hard on pre-qualification to get to Crufts. Once they are there, they can talk about its lovely being at Crufts, the buzz of it all, but deep down they all know there is a serious side to Crufts and that is to win. First going through to be judged Best of Breed, then Best of Group and ultimatley to be Supreme Champion. I do not think the competitors at Crufts would have the attitude of "Lets have fun out there and doesn't matter if we don't win."

I, therefore, think that if anyone who enters a competion and is only half hearterd and feels that winning is not everything should not be in any competition at all.

Competition is healthy! and Winning is IMPORTANT!


chrisong
Doggyman

May 21, 2006, 5:57 AM


Views: 9629
Re: [Kells] DOG SHOWS

Hi,

Every human being have its own way of handle/think things differently.Angelic

For you maybe WINNING IS EVERYTHING. But for me is the other way round of handle my dog in show ring & I think in long run it is more beneficial for you and your dog. The friendship with your dog is the MOST IMPORTANT for me whether my dogs WIN OR LOSE, they are still my best friend as long as they did their best in the show ring.

Cheers


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 22, 2006, 6:36 AM


Views: 9600
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Chrisong,

There is something awfully wrong here as you seem to be at lost with yourself more than anything else but yet you still come out with both barrels blazing. The issue which you have lost, which you started is winning is not important. You come across as someone just darting around and not knowing where you are going and convince others to do like wise. I can safely say Kell and I are trying to point out out to members who may decide to show to have full committments in participating, aim, a goal, etc.

Your reply to Kell states that for you is handling your dog in show, etc, well you may not know it but that is your goal in a show but the beneficial issue is of another topic as if you do not win at all only means you have not learn anything from the show.... really cannot see the benefits but again you seem to see a lot more than anyone else.

"Winning is not everything", so why do you state at the end of each and every posting of yours :

"Angel Won Reserve Best Malaysian Bred In Show at the 240th MKA All Breed Show" don't you think it is a little hypocritical for someone who does not believe in winning?

Even a fellow member Amanda, mentioned PJ Half, well those who participate are winners simply due to the fact that their goals maybe to finish the run at a specific time or maybe not having to walk at all, etc.

To conclude after all this discussions, which you started you still do not know what it is about, that is why you always seem to be in the middle of some sort of controversy in which later you need to explain yourself and then some members realise you do not really know what you wish to say, hence I hardly ever reply to your posting but now you even have a member from England pointing out your shortcomings rather ambarassing for other Malaysian.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 22, 2006, 4:52 PM


Views: 9588
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS


In Reply To
Chrisong,

There is something awfully wrong here as you seem to be at lost with yourself more than anything else but yet you still come out with both barrels blazing. The issue which you have lost, which you started is winning is not important. You come across as someone just darting around and not knowing where you are going and convince others to do like wise. I can safely say Kell and I are trying to point out out to members who may decide to show to have full committments in participating, aim, a goal, etc.

Your reply to Kell states that for you is handling your dog in show, etc, well you may not know it but that is your goal in a show but the beneficial issue is of another topic as if you do not win at all only means you have not learn anything from the show.... really cannot see the benefits but again you seem to see a lot more than anyone else.

"Winning is not everything", so why do you state at the end of each and every posting of yours :

"Angel Won Reserve Best Malaysian Bred In Show at the 240th MKA All Breed Show" don't you think it is a little hypocritical for someone who does not believe in winning?

Even a fellow member Amanda, mentioned PJ Half, well those who participate are winners simply due to the fact that their goals maybe to finish the run at a specific time or maybe not having to walk at all, etc.

To conclude after all this discussions, which you started you still do not know what it is about, that is why you always seem to be in the middle of some sort of controversy in which later you need to explain yourself and then some members realise you do not really know what you wish to say, hence I hardly ever reply to your posting but now you even have a member from England pointing out your shortcomings rather ambarassing for other Malaysian.



Hahaha,

Some people may not agree what I trying to say here about dog shows, some agree. What can I do? I can't satisfy all human being.

At the end its all up to individual to decide. Which way you wanted to choose. Some of you may ask why MKA showring less & less people joining? hmmm.....again all your answer is there.

Lastly, fyi, I am proud of my Silkies. I like to share my joy, knowledge & experience to others dog owners especially Silky owners.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 22, 2006, 5:05 PM


Views: 9585
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS


In Reply To
Hi,

From your posting you sound rather discourage however do you know why you and your GSD is not making the mark? Is it the dog, your preparation of your dog for the show or your presentation? If it is your dog, then you may not have the eye to catch the critical points in the standard and hence you need to learn more, if it is your preparation, then time is required and then the presentation, that is your showmanship, well you either have it or not. I know some owners actually engage others to show the dog so that is one option.

As for the nonsence of not winning is not important so I ask why participate at all? It is such a non-motivational attitute to have in life. As for socialising, most breeders do not appreciate anyone bringing a non showing dog to the show as it is a major distraction and also leaves room for trouble as some may wish to cause some chaos by bringing a bitch that is on heat. If you wish to socialse your dog go and visit at Odedience training sessions either at Puppy.com or M.K.A.

As for looking for a stud dog, if your bitch is not up to par why breed it? As a rule of thumb the bitch usually is the dog that contributes to her off-spring.

As for GSD, you should look at it objectively and have another go, beside the competition is pretty tough as the pool of dogs is fairly hugh unlike breeds with small numbers.

So to conclude, if not to win then do not show.



Your first posting to serene_kwlim. You not encouraging people to join dog show just because you know you not going to win?

This is not the right attitude. If you not participate how you know you going to lose or win, different judges have their own opinion sometime your dog win sometime lose. I will stress this point again "You don’t go to shows to win, go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern"


8033
Dog Kichi


May 22, 2006, 6:37 PM


Views: 9575
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

"not to win" and "not winning" hv 2 totally different meanings, even though they "look" so similar LOL.. i think u should really make yrself clear of what people trying to convey before u start yr argument. and I cant help but to agree with PSY that sometimes you do not really know what you wish to say.

no doubt that some of yr postings are very beneficial to the forum members but the rest are simply just for the sake of posting.. or maybe to higher yr “ranking”?


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 22, 2006, 6:56 PM


Views: 9570
Re: [Kells] DOG SHOWS

m'sia also got lotsa rain....n recently even more rain....

i've a uncle staying @ Maidenhead, Berkshire United Kingdom

i notice tat US had dog show 4 non-pedigree.....WOW!! really desperate 2 join one....coz i join all sorts of dog events here.....hoping 2 join dog show too....but do not intend 2 get myself a pedigree....juz becoz i wanted 2 join in d competition......

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PSY
K9 Kaki


May 23, 2006, 4:19 AM


Views: 9550
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

You still do not understand anything about aims, drive, setting goals for achievements and committment but I have learn one thing from you and that is if I want to win in dog comformaty competition without much work and committment I will show a "silky".


ppdcdm
Member


May 23, 2006, 4:21 AM


Views: 9550
Re: [8033] DOG SHOWS

He not only dono how to differentiate "not to win" and "not winning"

He cant even differentiate "My avatar is a GR" and "I own a GR"

so wat do u expect from him?


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 23, 2006, 4:43 AM


Views: 9544
Re: [ppdcdm] DOG SHOWS

Just not worth the effort. Hey, your is a nice pup, how old is he/she? You may have mentioned it before but I must admit I do not keep up to gate with most postings due to the fact the self made pro. is in it.

Take care and have fun with your pup, must be a handful by now.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 23, 2006, 4:59 AM


Views: 10260
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Hi PSY,

This posted message "dog shows" is not about aims, drive, setting goals for achievements and committment. Is about the right attitude in entering showring with your dog. Wherther you win or lose that is not important in a dog shows, agility or even obedience competitions. With this right attitude it does not show I do not commit myself in bringing out the best of my Silky in the showring or even outside the showring. Dog shows and other dog sport is suppose to be a fun but some people tend to go too far or I call it extreme just because wanted to win the BIS/BIG/BOB. Because their need to WIN it often make the show corrupted and unhealthy.

If you do show a Silky in the near future. You WIN, I will come over and congraturate you "hey good job". We are not making enemy in the showring. We are there is to let the judge to decide wherether our dog are up to the breed written standard that all. If you do a frequent dog show kaki, you will notice when the winner of that particular class receive their ribbon did their competitors go over and congraturate the winner? The answer is NO. Its show so kaisu Malaysian people are. I do have Silky Terrier competitors in the showring but some will come over congraturate you after you win some cannot take it and treat you as a enemy just because their dog lose to yours dog. Some after fews show because of losing, they did not want to participate anymore. That is what happening in Malaysia Showring now.

I don't want this to be a long discussion anymore about dog shows. If you think you have the best formula to success in the showring or any competitions just follow what you believe in. I hope one day can see you in showring with you Silky.

Cheers


Kells
Novice

May 25, 2006, 3:58 AM


Views: 10235
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

Hie! Well the US seem to have a competition for everything. I wonder if there is a category for "Cutest Dog" or most helpful pet? I am sure Paco would win in this category! Its a shame a non-pedigree competition is not so wide spread.

Take care.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 25, 2006, 5:42 AM


Views: 10233
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Look again I emphasize, you have no inkling what you are saying, my initial response was to serene_kwlim as this paricular member sounds pretty discourage about GSD showing and it was your initial posting that started this member's response. To me I read as serene_kwlim has lost sight of the goal in showing the GSD, hence my aim was to direct serene_kwlim back on the path fighting in GSD comformaty show.

As for showing silky or any other breed, I shall never participate simply because I do not have the time to prepare a dog for it, in short I do not believe in doing things in half measures.

So if you can't stick to the subject being discussed which has nothing to do with the a dog show but digress to knowing your goals and persuing it with committment then you have so far said nothing at all. Note, you have always have problems on this as you may not have notice you have really written some stuuf and have hurt some feelings and if it is the understanding of the english language then maybe you should either re-read things you have written or else get someone to write for you.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 25, 2006, 7:21 AM


Views: 10225
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Hahaha......

All I can say to you "All the best" in what you believe in.

You will still seeing me Showing my dogs in MKA Showring for at least 30 years to come (if I can still able to do so).

Cheers


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 25, 2006, 7:41 PM


Views: 10215
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Well Chris looks like we just have to keep showing until we win more.

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PSY
K9 Kaki


May 26, 2006, 12:38 AM


Views: 10200
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Please read your posting again, where did I mention you not to show your dogs, do show them for the next thirty if possible sixty years, again the issue is your committment in preparing for the show, god, I thinks I can get more response talking to a "brick wall", your dear friend is there to just support what you say but really is not paying much attention to what is being said, do hope her understanding of the english language is better than yours and just posting for the sake of it.


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 26, 2006, 2:38 AM


Views: 10194
Re: [All] DOG SHOWS

I find something weird about d dog show world wide....

they mostly emphasize on d dog physical structure, gait movement, n their facial expression

but since ppl aim 2 improve d breed....

why don't they test on their natural ability.....that d main goal for what they are breed for...

like Gundog....show able to retrieve....n hunting dog should know how 2 hunt... d border collie would know how to herd...

that's no point that a most beautiful GR win a title.....n claim he is d best GR wit d best gene.... but dunno how to do a good retrieve....Mad

do anyone do feel d same way as i do?? or am i juz being silly to think that way....

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(This post was edited by Amanda85 on May 26, 2006, 2:40 AM)


simchi
Member


May 26, 2006, 4:36 AM


Views: 10185
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

excuse my very limited knowledge ah ..

dog show = conformation showing = to pick the best dog to use for breeding ..

and they have other competitions like obedience trials , field trials , tracking tests , agility trials , hunting tests and etc .


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 26, 2006, 7:29 AM


Views: 10179
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

Hi Amanda,

You may have sort of miss the point a wee bit here. A comformaty show is to see how close to the standard of a particular breed is and this involve gaiting etc. After saying this there are other shows that also involve these show dogs which obedience trial, etc. In Malaysia we only have the comformaty show which is the importanat one but they do have the obedience trail too which presently a minor competition. This is rather unfortunate for owners like you. Establishments like puppy.com should have competition like this but not at the gathering they hold at 1 Utama, Central Park. This competition should be done on concrete floor not grass. Then there are agility etc that should be held too, now this is great on grass surfaces. I think there is something on June 18th at Central Park so maybe you can ahve a go there.


ppdcdm
Member


May 26, 2006, 9:00 AM


Views: 10177
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

NOpe, in the avatar is not my GR. this is the simple word i told that chrisong, since then he keep saying i own GR,, haih!!!


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 26, 2006, 5:50 PM


Views: 10170
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

Well I guess puppy.com organize gathering for dogs and owners to have fun rather than competing for anything special or getting title for it.

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kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 26, 2006, 5:53 PM


Views: 10168
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

I really agree with what you said. The dog can be the best in the breed but doesn't know how to do the basic things the particular breed should be able to do. I own border collie. Although there is nothing for my dog to herd but when she is around other dogs her herding instinct will start to kick in and she will start herding other dogs. LaughLaughLaugh

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kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 26, 2006, 5:57 PM


Views: 10163
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

How can you tell that the people who goes for show doesn't have the committment to it? I am sure everyone entered for the show had some kind of committment. It depends how much committment an individual will contribute. As for the comment on English language understanding, I guess I am not the only person who don't understand your english. You should start to learn how to make people understand your language. Sly

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Amanda85
Doggyman


May 26, 2006, 10:03 PM


Views: 10152
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

but wat's d point by having juz d best outlook....

i think having d ability....to wat they r intentionally being breed 4 is d most important...

outlook doesn't mean anything.....its juz purely beautiful....

Pacco de Mongrel
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Riccaval
ALPHA


May 27, 2006, 12:57 AM


Views: 10146
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

I think you have totally miss the plot my dear.

You must first find out whats the purpose/ objective of having Conformation Dog Shows.

There are other dog competition that other forumers have mentioned that actually awards dogs for what they were originally bred for........which is ur cup of tea.

Havent u heard "a thing of beauty is a joy for forever"Wink


(This post was edited by Riccaval on May 27, 2006, 1:01 AM)


luv_pipi
Enthusiast


May 29, 2006, 1:25 AM


Views: 10119
Re: [Whoever it may concern] DOG SHOWS

Sorry i am not a big fans in dog show or a dog show enthusiats. Certainly I am impress to see some dogs performing tricks and showing their good talent. But definitely not my own dog because i know her basic instinct is not to show off to people how obedient she is and what kind of good tricks she can perform. She performs tricks when she wants some food/attention from me. These are basic instincts for "simple" dogs. Trophy and awards mean nothing to dogs, only to the human beings.

Definitely commercial reasoning is there for the dog owner. It is the same for trainning a monkey to play some tricks and hoping the monkey will earn some money back from his performance. People can continue to show off his dogs at the Dog Show if he thinks his dogs are of good potential. But stop arguing that this is not for winning purpose and other crappy reasons like "My dog enjoys being demonstrated on stage or showing her talents to the audience".

It is the human itself who enjoys the glory of winning, not the dog.

Bless all the Dog Show participants!
Frown My PiPi does not have long fur Frown

Frown My PiPi does not win any awards in DoG Show Frown

Frown My PiPi is not a member of MKA Frown

Frown My PiPi does not attend obedience and agility training Frown

FrownMy pipi is a simple dog Frown




PSY
K9 Kaki


May 29, 2006, 6:25 AM


Views: 10110
Re: [kitconnie78] DOG SHOWS

You have just said it "how much commitment", that is the key here. As for the english language if you do not understand the "queens english" there is not a lot one can say about it. Well, if kells, I think who is from England can get the idea of where I am coming from, hence my grasp of the english language cannot be that bad. Anyway, the whole issue has gone out of context so I am going to let it end here.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 29, 2006, 6:27 AM


Views: 10108
Re: [ppdcdm] DOG SHOWS

Ok and I shan't force you to show your hand in this "card game".


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 29, 2006, 6:34 AM


Views: 10104
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

You have raise a very good point but if we are to look at the set up Malaysia has you are right but if you have a look at the US and Britain they do have comformaty champs competing in obedience and agility, retrieval trial, herding etc etc in their respective breed chapter. Comformaty is not beauty but comparing a particular breed to a standard.


Amanda85
Doggyman


May 30, 2006, 6:27 PM


Views: 10068
Re: [Riccaval, PSY] DOG SHOWS

eventhough i din take part in show....i know wat they r meant for...n what is their aim...

but i juz feel that if they intend 2 look for d best of the breed....they should hv take into account...their main role for what they r intentionally being breed for'.....not juz judging their physical outlook.....

as for other comformation mentioned by PSY....like hunting , herding trial....they juz emphasize on their ability....n not their beauty...

n ofcoz a comprise of both beauty n oso ability will truely means d top dog of the breed!!

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serene_kwlim
K9 Maniac


May 30, 2006, 7:56 PM


Views: 10057
Re: [PSY] DOG SHOWS

wow, Shockedseems my post hv coz u guys alot of disscussions n quarrells around here...sorry..sorry..UnsureUnsure
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Kells
Novice

May 31, 2006, 5:24 AM


Views: 10034
Re: [serene_kwlim] DOG SHOWS

Hiya! Please do not apologies. I think the discussion on points in hand and those not in hand needed to be brought up. We are all trying to express our selves but thhe most important thing is that there are those out there who supports you and will continue to encourage you to succeed.

Look at it at as not as a quarrel but as a healthy debate!

Take care.


Kells
Novice

May 31, 2006, 5:53 AM


Views: 10030
Re: [kitconnie78] DOG SHOWS

Hie! I am only just replying to you reply to PSY to the following statement:

"As for the comment on English language understanding, I guess I am not the only person who don't understand your english. You should start to learn how to make people understand your language. Sly ", please can I take this as it is in reference to comments made by chrisong and following replies from PSY.

I am from the UK, and through the postings I have read I have noted 2 mistakes made by Chrisong being: [sorry not too good with the links method so I am cutting and pasting here]

Mistake 1: In reply to your posting about PSY "last posting" I must say I agree with ppdcm posted on 14/5/06 at 3.34am:

"man, wat is the point of pointing out somebody saying they MIGHT posting the last posting?"

Whether or not that person will post or not is his or her's business entirely.

Please also note that we are currently on a web side that is bound by puppy.com.my rules and regulations and therefore, if the powers to be at puppy.com.my, considered that he or she has breached those rules and regulations, they could ban the person in question from any future posting.

As I read your reply and ppdcm's reply, and as you have kindly provided the link where you replied to PSY:

"I thought that is your last posting from puppycom? refer your posting here just to refeash your memory www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=259462;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread"

I decided to investigate into this matter and put this matter to rest, if at all possible.

PSY in his posting on 15/4/06 at 8.49pm RE: Kevin Chuan Trouble Maker in Forum [In Reply to] states: "This may be my last posting after this one so like to wish you and your group all the best. Cheerio."

It would seem that there has been a mis-interpretation of what PSY had written. He clearly states that it "MAY BE" his last posting and clearly did not say it is his last posting.

Therefore, in conclusion, it is very important when interpreting a written statement, it must be construed in its entirety and not just parts of the given statement as this will not provide an accurate account of that person's true intention.

Thank you

Mistake 2: In response to your reply to ppdcmc on:

"Ya, I agree, you should talk something relevant to this post dog show not simply bla bla here bla bla there, is that bla bla an english? Hmmm.......I should go check my dictionary & come back to you."

to her statement on:

"A lot of ppl LIKE me bla bla bla. omg, i never intend to enter show how can i be like those bla bla who enter show bla bla? stop talking irrelevant things here, nobody ever ask u to agree with me la."

Please may I so kindly add to your statement on "...is that bla bla an english?

According to Chamber 21st Century Dictionary: blah/bla - slang; noun bunkum pretentious nonsense. blah,blah, blah an expression used instead of repeating words which have already been said, often because they are not worth repeating anyway.

Thus, in conclusion, please check with a dictionary before questioning another on the use of the English Language.

Thank you

I think in this 2 instances the facts stands on their own.

I should also point out that though I am from the UK, I still do from time to time struggle with the English Language, and I will consult the dictionary or I will ask for assistance for clearer clarification, when I run into trouble.

I am currently still trying to work out from my statement: "Competition is healthy, and winning is important" can be translated to "For you maybe WINNING IS EVERYTHING".

If I can't work this one out myself and I will be asking for help.

Take care.


PSY
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May 31, 2006, 6:09 AM


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Re: [serene_kwlim] DOG SHOWS

Hey, hi and please do not worry about it, do not apologise. I just find it rather annoying when chrisong post something it is mostly very ambigious and some forum members may just mis-interpret and may mis-lead to what ever issue it maybe. This is rather common with him as pass posting, if you care to refer, will show. Sure hope you get back to the show ring soon.


hunter
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May 31, 2006, 9:02 AM


Views: 10006
Re: [Amanda85] DOG SHOWS

Different competitions tests different aspects of a dog.

Conformation shows judges how close a dog conform to it's breed standards.

Obedience trials tests a dog's intelligence (actually, all dog sports require intelligence)

Herding trials tests a dog's herding instincts

Field trials tests a dog's ability to hunt

and then there's other sports like agility, flyball, earthdog trials, sledding and etc.

The point here is, people enter their dogs in different type of shows/competitions/trials to compete in different things. This is purely based on one's interest, just like some people are into football, some into bodybuilding, some into art. Each competition have specific purposes.

Dogs are also bred for different purposes. Some bred specifically for conformation, some for working purposes. For example, there are golden retrievers bred for conformation shows which are structurely bulkier. Then there are field goldens with lighter bones and shorter coat, bred specifically for field work/hunting. Many breeders say that field goldens can't win in conformation shows as they do not really conform to the breed standard. Likewise, show goldens could not excel in field trials either, as they can't move as fast/light as the field goldens due to their heavy structure and long coat.

I don't think that there are shows that tests a dog in everything. It will be pointless, as I mentioned earlier, different people have different preference - some may prefer focusing on honing a dog's herding instincts while others work hard to breed dogs that are close to the breed standard.

However, it is not impossible to test a dog on it's structure and other working abilities. It can be done by entering a dog in various sports. In overseas there are dogs that excel in various sports and are heavily titled with conformation, obedience, agility, field titles and etc.

I'm no breeder, but I do know that it's NOT easy to breed a perfect dog that have superb structure, temperament and also able to excel in working trials. It's also not easy to spend time/money/effort to campaign a dog for various sports at a time!

Check out this dog's pedigree name : "BIS BISS AM CAN Ch. Rush Hill's Häagen-Dazs, CDX, JH, AX, OAJ, WCX, VCX, Can. CD, Can. WC, OS, SDHF" - the titles in front of "Rush Hill's Haagen-Dazs" indicates this dog's conformation show titles. The ones behind indicates obedience titles, field titles, agility titles (and the rest I have no idea what they stand for)

It's not impossible to have a dog that excels in everything. But it sure is difficult!

(This post was edited by hunter on May 31, 2006, 9:06 AM)


kitconnie78
ALPHA


May 31, 2006, 7:06 PM


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Re: [hunter] DOG SHOWS

What you said is quite true. I guess there is no perfect dog. We can only get the best. Wink

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chrisong
Doggyman

Jun 1, 2006, 5:13 AM


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Re: [kitconnie78] DOG SHOWS

Hey,

Got this show lead at SS2 today. Selling price RM28 (color available: Black, dark brown, grey & white). I got 2 If not mistaken they bring it in from Germany. Got some nice leather show lead also with nice color also from Germany. Go check it out.








chrisong
Doggyman

Jun 1, 2006, 5:31 AM


Views: 22387
Re: [kitconnie78] DOG SHOWS

Hey Connie,

Interested joining me in Obedience Trial???

I in the middle training my Amber. Since she already retired from Showring, why not try her out at Obedience right. You might see me in MKA Oebedience Trial next year Wish me luck


Amanda85
Doggyman


Jun 1, 2006, 5:26 PM


Views: 22368
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

hopefully pacco can join u too.....v r oso in d training progress....Wink

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Amanda85
Doggyman


Jun 1, 2006, 5:28 PM


Views: 22365
Re: [hunter] DOG SHOWS

thx 4 ur clear explaination.....Smile

however, sometime i juz think tat if a dog would excel or manage to compete in every aspect onli can declare him/herself d best of d breed.....

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estkit
Enthusiast


Jun 1, 2006, 8:35 PM


Views: 22353
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

chris,

going 4dog show must use tat kind of leash1 ar?wats the different between others leash?u going to get amber to ob training again?tot she get the cert oredi.


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chrisong
Doggyman

Jun 2, 2006, 12:00 AM


Views: 22344
Re: [estkit] DOG SHOWS


In Reply To
chris,

going 4dog show must use tat kind of leash1 ar?wats the different between others leash?u going to get amber to ob training again?tot she get the cert oredi.



Show lead is very light yet strong enough for showing your dog in the ring.

Amber not going for training. She already got the basic Obedience (CGC) when she is still puppy. Lucky she still remember. Now only need more practise that it. Hope one day your Mocha also can compete with my Old Amber in Obedience Competition


estkit
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Jun 2, 2006, 12:53 AM


Views: 22341
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

so can use tat leash for normal use or not?bcoz now mocha using the collar make his fur got a line on the neck.didnt look nice.so if change to this leash should b better lo.

i tot u say u going to the OB Trial...tat1 is wat?test ar?

haha...u1 compete with me ar?no la..siao meh?amber champ wor..


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chrisong
Doggyman

Jun 2, 2006, 5:10 PM


Views: 22331
Re: [estkit] DOG SHOWS

This type of Show Lead not suitable for normal use on our dog, is because this lead are thin compare to normal lead/collar. If you bring your dog out for a walk using Show Lead, sometime your dog will pull and it is very easy to choke on them. You see I never use collar on my dogs. Collar can actually break their hair around the neck.Frown I use normal lead when I bring them out for a walk I use almost the same design as the Show Lead above but abit bigger.

The other Obedience is a test, on 10 June 2006. Not MKA. Is test for becoming a dog scout.

Dog Show champ is different ma. Obedience is different. Train Mocha now next year just join MKA obedience trail for fun la. See how is Mocha performing in the Ring mah.


estkit
Enthusiast


Jun 2, 2006, 6:05 PM


Views: 22326
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS


In Reply To
This type of Show Lead not suitable for normal use on our dog, is because this lead are thin compare to normal lead/collar. If you bring your dog out for a walk using Show Lead, sometime your dog will pull and it is very easy to choke on them. You see I never use collar on my dogs. Collar can actually break their hair around the neck.Frown I use normal lead when I bring them out for a walk I use almost the same design as the Show Lead above but abit bigger. <--- i oso looking 4this kind of lead 4mocha but the1 u use i saw tat day to small cant control mocha le.any suggestion?

The other Obedience is a test, on 10 June 2006. Not MKA. Is test for becoming a dog scout. <--- i know bout this le...

Dog Show champ is different ma. Obedience is different. Train Mocha now next year just join MKA obedience trail for fun la. See how is Mocha performing in the Ring mah. <--- mocha ll sit his test on july.i dunno dog show is different.MKA got1 ar?can oso.i ll let mocha try.so the OB Trail got cert or points?so far i never c the OB trial from MKA wo.u tell me la wen they hav ok



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kitconnie78
ALPHA


Jun 6, 2006, 6:36 PM


Views: 22290
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

If I am free on weekend I will go and check it out. Thanks for the info.

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kitconnie78
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Jun 6, 2006, 6:37 PM


Views: 22288
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Wish to train my collie but not sure yet.

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estkit
Enthusiast


Jun 7, 2006, 12:56 AM


Views: 22269
Re: [estkit] DOG SHOWS

i jus cal the breeder.she said the cert she found it oredi.so i ll onli can take this weekend.wanna ask u something, if want to take part in dog show the cert must transfer name 1st izit?currently the name stil under the breeder wo.any others things need to prepare for dog show?eg. dog show leash n etc....

p/s : pls help me make appointment with ss2 grooming.i want to send mocha to groom dog show style.can ar?pls...thanks


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chrisong
Doggyman

Jun 7, 2006, 5:04 AM


Views: 22258
Re: [estkit] DOG SHOWS

Let me know when you want to send Mocha for grooming!!! I make the appointment for youWink

Sorry, I not familiar with ACSBlush. So, I think you need expert advice in show grooming a ACS. Basically, first thing you need is to train your Mocha how to stake first!!!

Chat with you more detail on this coming Saturday


estkit
Enthusiast


Jun 7, 2006, 8:44 AM


Views: 22255
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

expert?i dunno any ppl expert in ACS wo...hope later can get some1 to advise meTongue the sea park grooming onli on weekdays izit?ok ll inform u wen want to groom.thanks


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chrisong
Doggyman

Jun 20, 2006, 6:40 PM


Views: 22186
Re: [all] DOG SHOWS

Dog Show it's just a sport! Don't take it too seriously and have fun. Do not expect to win all the time even if you DO think your dog is the most incredibly beautiful dog ever born - it's a safe bet that others won't always share your opinion. It's a stated fact that the 'perfect dog' has never been born - and even if it was you'd never get people to agree about it! You are paying for the judges "Opinion" and you will not always agree with that opinion. Dogs that go Best in Show on one day can be totally ignored by the next days judge. Win some lose some.

And smileSly - there's always another show coming up!

See you there!


kitconnie78
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Jun 21, 2006, 7:23 PM


Views: 22160
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

Wish you best of luck for the coming show on this weekend.

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estkit
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Jun 23, 2006, 6:38 PM


Views: 22136
Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

2moro is the dog show day Good luck to u Chris n Angel

i ll come to support uCool


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mitosblog
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Mar 16, 2008, 4:06 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

I think a dog show is equivalent to a model search competition and encourage their owners to take care and look after their dogs properly


deviga
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Jun 9, 2009, 12:01 AM


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Re: [chrisong] DOG SHOWS

hi think this is great to see that you are managing all in your life.... can i know what kind of dogs you have and how long you spend in a day for the training..... how many shows you have won?
hi i like you managing and training you have strong relationship with your dog.good luck for many show you have won ?how to prepare a dog .... what is your dog name?


mickbali123
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Dec 30, 2009, 4:34 AM


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Re: [deviga] DOG SHOWS

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