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makrawl
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May 28, 2003, 5:46 PM

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aiya. i'm so sorry to cause u trouble and make u "kena marah" by admin. sorry friend. hope u don't mind.

after reading the book, i realised that almost all the methods that i've been using was not very good. and now i have to start alll over again and it is just so tired for me. from housebreaking till tricks. all have to be adjusted again. but one of my dog is now almost 2 years old. i wonder if he can accept the change? Crazy

for now, we r going back to the start and working really hard on that. phew...... hopefully u'll get my good news soon, hopefully.

eileen
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Jun 22, 2003, 9:46 AM

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Hi! I'm a new member, and I just read about your posting today. cshellz was absolutely right, westerner teach the dogs with love, most asians teach the dogs with canes. If we try to teach a dog by physical punishment, the only thing that the dog will learn is FEAR. I can imagine Mrs. Lewis's reaction and thoughts when she see dogs being slap or whack, because same thing had happened to me as well.

My mom never whack my dogs, she only raised her voice to scold them (it's not that she is a professional, it's simply that she is just too kind and loves them too much, i mean to the extend that sometimes I tak boleh tahan. ha!), on the other hand, my uncle keeps the dogs in the cage and never talk and train the dogs, and his children who knows nothing will kick the dogs when they misbehave. Therefore the dogs do not know what is right or wrong because the only teaching they receive is punishment. RESULT: My mom's dog is more docile and tame than my uncle's psycho dogs. I believe dogs with fear are emotionally imbalance and pyscho. Frown

After seeing many cases and readings i strongly believe that the dog is your reflection. we give them love, they'd show us love. we teach them violence, they'll show us violence. Do you think so?? Smile

Regards,
Eileen

makrawl
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Jun 24, 2003, 2:52 AM

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first of all, welcome and feel free to disscuss anything.

yeah, u r right. dogs will react based on the "input" from us. one more thing. different dog will have different characters and we have to use different way to teach them. some ppl had a great dog and when the next dog which is not as good as the last one (or shall i say different?) comes into their hand, they still teach them using the same method and when the dog doesn't gives the result as what the last dog did, the owner will assume that this dog is "pariah". think about it as even children also having different kind of characters and the learning process also varies. somemore they r teaching a dog??

well, my dogs now is progressing really slow but at least they r reaching somewhere?! Cool

doodle
ALPHA

Jun 26, 2003, 12:52 AM

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All in all,
Shall we hit our dogs when they misbehave?
Everyone I know seems to go for it. My boyfriend kept saying that I am pampering my dog too much. I refuse to hit my basset hound though it is a very stubborn dog. But sometimes when he misbehave and I just have to say NO! and he will stop and look at me.
From the pet shop owner to doodle's vet say that I should start hitting him. Has anyone here have never hit their dog and still able to train them well?

Augustmoon
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Jun 26, 2003, 7:07 AM

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Hello doodle,

Nice meeting you again Smile

i still believe in positive training without using physical punishments. Both the above training works but...but... by hitting you will lost the bond and trust. Few year back I've a neighbour who always hit his dog with stick, reason was every morning she read and destroy the newspaper before the owner does. Its has been continue for weeks until the dog give up and be obedient, but the bond between them have draft apart, whenever the dog saw the owner she will run and hide. Positive training takes longer time and the correct voice command used are very important. Always take notes of the invisible training, it can be from ourself and family members. As you have mension that your furkid can understand "NO" its good. But what others command does she know, because we cannot use "NO" for everythink, have you try using "OFF" or "LEAVE IT" its a very good command for destructive dog.

Regards

Augustmoon & Win

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jun 26, 2003, 8:15 AM

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Well, I don't if I should be ashamed but yeah, I did hit my dog but before you call SPCA or anything like that,Let me explain my methods of training. Unsure

For me,dogs can learn any command,provided you have patience. They have to learn words relating to something. For example, "get keys" to a human is just get keys. To a dog it may mean "get that horrible tasting hard thing that makes a funny sound when its in my mouth". "Toy" would mean something like "the thing I like to bite and play with when my owner is not around." The reason I hit my dog(not too hard) was so that she knows that NO meant something *bad*. Bad here could be a spray of water, a scent that your dog doesn;t like etc.

For me I would hit her cause it was convenient.Whenever I see her do something she's not suppose to I don't have to run and get the water spray.I can punish her immediately when she has just 'commited' the 'crime' so that it is fresh in her memory what she has just done. For example,if I did run to get the spray and came back to spray her,she's chewing her toy. If I sprayed the water at her now,she'll think "If I chew this nice thing my master gave me to bite,I'll get sprayed. Next time,I better not chew it so I don't get sprayed on"

I only went through that for about 2 weeks when she was a pup. Now she's VERY obedient.Once I say NO she'll stop whatever she's doing. So the message I was sending to my dog was "When my mistress says a deep sounding word 'no',I must stop whatever I'm doing. If I don't I'll get a smack on my bum". Blush

I think a little too 'cheong hey' already.. Unsure

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RealityDreamer
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Jun 26, 2003, 8:21 AM

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And about bond and trust...my dog absolutely trusts me..she's never distant and very manja. Halfway doing homework,she'll comeover,jump on the chair next to me and then sleep on my lap. Right now, she's using my foot as a pillow. My dogs seem to like my foot as a pillow.. Wink

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doodle
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Jun 26, 2003, 5:46 PM

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Hello again,
My doodle is still very mischievious and I have to wait for the right moment to input this order to him. He likes biting my socks and run away with it when I give a chase. What I will do is say "NO!" and then go closer to him and say 'LET GO' Then say snacks snacks. He will drop it and come to me. I think from there he knows that by dropping it, he will get snacks. He is doing quite good now. I think this is better without even having to hit him. Whenever he disobey me, I will try to buy him with carrots. It really takes alot of time and patient. I think by hitting them, it's a short cut.
Try to put positive thoughts into him. Praise him more than telling him not to do anything at all. Like when he sit still and keep quiet, praise him like good boy. Whenever he is doing the right thing that you wanted, praise him immediately.
I am sure human are like that too. As for my boyfriend, he hardly praise doodle and always scolding him when he does wrong thing. Whenever we let doodle out, doodle will run to me instead of him and obey me. Therefore, it's the respect we gave to him that he will return.
Enough said. Wink

doodle
ALPHA

Jun 26, 2003, 5:57 PM

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Hi RealityDreamer,
I don't blame you for hitting your dog. I used to do that too cause I was told it is the right thing to do. But also have to hit at the right place where he can tolerate it. Usual spot is the backside.
I have a Shar Pei which we hit him when he disobey. Being a strong dog, it did him quite well. What I think here is that perhaps both ways might work but surely without hitting him is better. My shar pei respect me and look at me in fear. The best part is they always forgive us even when we hit them and comes back to get more love. Then again, I feel most of the time when we hit them, they really don't know what they did wrong to deserve those hitting. Really, they didn't know.
Maybe we should try to make them understand that it will annoy us tremendously if they do something wrong instead of hitting them. Same goes for our children. They won't do it because they understand. Not because they are afraid of being hit.

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jun 27, 2003, 4:05 AM

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The thing is..I kind of think that positive training is a little like spoiling the dog.(no offence)

For example, if the dog decides he wants a treat, he'll misbehave to get your attention.Once he achieves that,he'll know what to do to get the treat. Be a good boy and behave.

Of course he knows what he did was wrong but for a treat's sake,he'll 'pretend' to misbehave and then behave .

No offence but this is just my opinion,that's all Wink

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doodle
ALPHA

Jun 27, 2003, 5:34 PM

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yeah, what u said also make sense which I am quite afraid it might happen to doodle.
That's why, I am not too sure to hit or not to hit. But everyone seems to encourage it. Even the vet!
Sigh...

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jun 27, 2003, 9:52 PM

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I guess its really up to you..good luck in choosing Smile

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Augustmoon
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Jun 28, 2003, 6:53 AM

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Hello,

Be patience she still a puppy, all puppies like to bite on things it fun for them. If she bite on something and u give chase it will be more fun running around. Puppy at this stage has new set of teeth and chewing just come naturally. Put things in higher ground and provide toy for her to chew. By hitting is not the solution, as after hitting she will be back doing the same old thing again. That means u have to hit her couples of time before she understood so what is the different using positive training if the right method are used. I'm not a k.9 trainer but positive training works as my min pin of 11 weeks understood my voice command not 100% as she still a puppy. She has got very good table manner, will not touch the food until I say O.K. all just a simple command. All dog have different characters as owner u know best. Also I've never say that by tapping our furkid backside will lost trust. What I'm trying to tell is my former neighbour who used the stick to whack his dog. Tapping the back will not kill but stick can if its lend on the wrong place especially the nose. Sorry for my poor english.

Regards.

Augustmoon & Win

makrawl
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Jun 28, 2003, 10:49 AM

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yeah. one thing i would say, if u really cannot avoid to punish your dog physically, please please please, hit only with your hands on their bums. hard enough to stop but gentle enough that it will not injure the dog. i'm trying hard to stop but sometimes i still "accidentally" hit him when he doesn't listen to me and lost control.

doodle
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Jun 30, 2003, 5:22 PM

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Hi Augustmoon,
Thanks for the feedback!
I am still not hitting doodle but he really enjoys chasing my pant's sleeve. He will go beserk when he sees a mop. Dogs really have a thing for mop.
I will give his leash a jerk and he will stop. So far so good.
Makrawl,
I learned from my pet shop owner to use newspaper instead of hand cause sometimes our hand can be 'rough' (that's how he puts it) and we might injure our dog. Newspaper louder and bigger. They will get scared.
Sly

makrawl
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Jul 1, 2003, 2:21 AM

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oh?! i never come across in my mind with newspaper. Hmm... this gives me a better idea. the loud noise will enough to scare his crap out! kekeke

doodle
ALPHA

Jul 1, 2003, 8:05 PM

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Thus it is bigger and all u have to do is just raise it high above their head. They will bow their head and put their tail underneath.
Experience from my dogs last time.
Sometimes when doodle misbehave, i will hit the floor when he disobey my NO.
He will stop and look at me.

sweeeng
ALPHA

Jul 1, 2003, 9:58 PM

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Hi ...

I think the reason not to use bare hands is b'cos the dog will get scare of you. Maybe they'll think that if they go near your hand, you'll beat them. Don't they won't want to go near you the next time.

I heard too regarding the newspaper. I did try on my Maltese.... then went I train her to urine on the papers, she'll bite the paper into pieces instead. so now I just softly beat her with my hands, lor ... So that she won't get too scare.

Regards,
Swee Eng

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jul 1, 2003, 10:22 PM

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But then,say a robber came in and then he used a stick/weapon that looks like a piece of rolled up newspaper (medium length and thick), wouldn't the dog be afraid??

Instead of barking,he'll be submissive??
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doodle
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Jul 2, 2003, 1:38 AM

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Hmm... that's a good one.
But even when doodle disagree with me like when I am holding his leash, he will bite my hand too. Will he try to bite if I were to hit him?

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jul 2, 2003, 7:02 AM

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Don't know bout that..but last sunday i went to padang merbuk and one of the dogs bit his owner. The trainer told him to 'slap' the dog. It wasn't too hard. Then, the dog didn't bite back..

If you're dog sees you as his 'alpha' dog,he shouldn't bite. And if you were to hit him...he shouldn't bite back. If he did, he wants to challenge your dominance...which is not good....
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Augustmoon
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Jul 2, 2003, 9:30 AM

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I am still not hitting doodle but he really enjoys chasing my pant's sleeve. He will go beserk when he sees a mop. Dogs really have a thing for mop.
Hello,

Its normal, all puppies are the same as what u mention above. Its a good sign, its show that close relationship between u and ur furkid, a scared puppy will never do that. My min pin is no different if she get out of hand I will tell she off. As we are working ppl our furkid miss us, the moment there see us back there will go crazy..... As for using newspaper as part of the training, Well I have been doing it for quite sometime and its effective. But I do not use to hit my furkid I just used it to created some noise to scared her off. As min pin are hyperactive, I do not have the energy to follow her every move. I will roll up 2 newspaper one keep in the hall and the other in the kitchen. Whenever she try to be naughty I will used my command, if its not follow than I will used the paper to create some noise, it must be fast. Command follow by bang.

Regards.

Augustmoon & Win

doodle
ALPHA

Jul 2, 2003, 6:03 PM

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When doodle knows how to behave, he can behave well. Like when he knows it is pee time, he will quietly follow me. But when comes to playing time, the horn and tail will emerge. Like hantu. Play until growl and jump up and down.
Sometimes he might think when training time is playing time.

makrawl
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Jul 2, 2003, 7:40 PM

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that depends on the dog's character. my dogs tend to "bite" when they r over excited while playing with me. i just stand up and move away whenever they do that. they have reduce this "biting" habits as they realise everytime they bite my hands, i'll stop playing and move away.

but my cousin's dog has different story. u praise, u play r u touch him, he'll sure bite your fingers! even when they slap his mouth, he bite the hands too! not gentle bite but grab, bite, and pull gosh........ it was really painfull.

RealityDreamer
Doggyman

Jul 3, 2003, 7:32 AM

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guess your cousin's dog is really hyperactive Smile

hmm...have you tried 'crying' whenever your doggie bites your hand? like 'cry' when a pup is in pain? or say 'oooowww! oouucchh!" as if you are really in pain?

Try that Tongue

most of the time,the pups would naturally stop.
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