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boon
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Oct 23, 2003, 5:14 PM

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Hi All,

Anyone out there mind to explain what is this famous sport in German called Schutzhund in general. There are 3 parts in each SchH trial namely :-
    • Obedient
    • Tracking
    • Protection
  1. What the judges look for in each of the section mentioned above ?
  2. What is the minimum qualification score for each ?
  3. What is the minimum age of dog that can take part ? 18 months ?
  4. How long on average to have one dog trained on this sport ?
  5. What are the differences for the 3 levels of SchH title, SchH1, SchH2 & SchH3 ?


I think that's enough for the time being, so let get the ball rolling......

PSD, Polluxx, Azman, Colin, Kowpa, RD, Prodog and others......what say you ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
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PSD
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Oct 23, 2003, 11:28 PM

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What the judges look for in each of the section mentioned above ?

He will look for good concentration, accuracy and attitude. High scores are for a dog that show his strong ability and willingness to work for the handler.


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What is the minimum qualification score for each ?

Each Phase contribute the score of 100 points with a grand total of 300 points maximum. The dog must get 70% of the points score to pass


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What is the minimum age of dog that can take part ? 18 months ?



SchH1 - 18 months

SchH2 - 19 month

SchH3 - 20 month




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How long on average to have one dog trained on this sport ?

Dogs need to be brought through the right general guidelines if you have aspirations for a SchH dog. The puppyhood is an extreemely important phase where the dog must neither be opressed or domineered over by anyone or any other dogs. It must be well socialised in different environment and different places so that he will grow up to be confident of his surrounding and the handler. The aim of this is to tell him the world is a safe place to be in as long as you the handler is there for him. Then you have to do drive promotion particularly the prey drive in the begining and a bit of bites. These are the initial phase we call inprinting. These goes up to 4-5 month and thereafter we do motivational basic OB.....no correction, choking at all and more prey biting up to 1 yr old. Any negative behaviour is channeled towards another accepted behaviour motivationally. Then we can do some formal OB again the motivational way. The bites and OB continues to be polished alternating them until trialing minimum of 18 mths. Actually the dog has to pass a basic requirement of a BH(companion dog) by 15 mths before proceeding to SchH1.


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What are the differences for the 3 levels of SchH title, SchH1, SchH2 & SchH3 ?

SchH1

heeling on and off leash, walking sit, walking down, stay, send out, retrive on flat and over a 1M hurdle. In tracking he must be able to follow a track laid by the handler at least 20 mins earlier. The protection test for SchH1 is 2 blind search for the helper, Bark and hold once found the helper, defend against the attack of the helper on the handler with full hard bite, immediate and confidently. The helper will hit the dog twice with a padded stick but the dog must not release the bite. Once the handler stand still and discontinue the bite, the handler will command out the dog and he will then release and guard the helper intently. Then the dog is put on leashed again and there is another excercise for the dog to defend against the attack of the helper on the dog and handler position. Here the dog will sit next to the handler off leashed, the helper moves about 70-80 paces from the handler and dog, then handler will shout at the helper to stop but the helper will ignore and attack them head on. The handler than sends his dog to defend against this attack



SchH2 is more difficult obviously than 1, in OB there is an additional retrive over 6 foot high slanted wall. The tracking is for the scent not less than 30 mins which is laid by a stranger. (SchH 1 is by handler)

Protection is also more challenging where the blind search is now 6 instead of 2. Here the dog search hold and bark, then attack the escape of the helper where the helper will attempt to run away. Then excort the helper following him about 5 paces behind when the helper suddenly turn to a surprise attack the dog must re-attack against this without any commands. Then the courage test on the long head on attack.

SchH3 is like a master degree. All excercise in OB and Protection is done off leashed. In OB there is additional walking and running stand. Tracking is layed by a stranger for 60 mins earlier. The track has 4 turns instead of 2 in SchH1 & 2. Then there 3 obhect to be found by the dog instead of 2. The protection also is more through......wah my fingers crammed already so I think you should get the general idea.

PSD

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RealityDreamer
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Oct 24, 2003, 8:26 AM

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That was very informative...I was also wondering the same thing but it always slips my mind.

anyway, what does "Protection is also more challenging where the blind search is now 6 instead of 2." mean? esp the 6 insteaf of 2 part?

In the papragraph before this..i thought 2 was used as an abreviation of to? Crazy
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Polluxx
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Oct 25, 2003, 7:59 PM

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hi RD,

Well if I m not mistaken here, the no. 6 & 2 here refer to no. of blind/tent/hideout that a dog have to search just before the "bark & hold" routine.

During the trial the assailant will always hiding at the last blind , but the dog is expected to search all 6 no. That is why it is more challenging to train the dog to do thorough search on all 6 no. blinds.Wink






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Polluxx
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Oct 25, 2003, 8:51 PM

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Yo PSD,

Whoa.....long post, man..?...how's ur fingers...?? can U still type ....got a few query here..la !

Just found out recently that "ScH" title will be refer as VPG,(Vielseitigkeitsprüfung für Gebrauchshunde), do U know will the changes take effect or is it effective already...? ?

Thanx in advance ! !






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RealityDreamer
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Oct 26, 2003, 5:18 AM

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ok..i think i got it.Smile

so there will be 6 hideouts at the highest level?

is the dog required to go through one by one? or if he can, just go to the hideout where the item/person he is looking for is at?
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boon
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Oct 26, 2003, 8:41 AM

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Hi PSD,

Actually your replied tooke quite a while to read it thru and understandand try to visualize it.....
thanz a million. Now i have a better understand of SchH and hope others will have the same feeling too

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Polluxx
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Oct 27, 2003, 4:40 AM

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Hi Rd,

Yes ! there dog is expected to search all 6 no. blinds, that is why during the trial, the helper is always hiding at the last blind !

Wink






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
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RealityDreamer
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Oct 27, 2003, 8:54 AM

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aah...ok

thanks for your time Smile
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PSD
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Oct 27, 2003, 8:35 PM

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Dear all,

My fingers had been cramped but seams to be ok now after the long weekends.

Hmmm! Let see...


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is the dog required to go through one by one? or if he can, just go to the hideout where the item/person he is looking for is at?


To understand the spirit of SchH and what it try to achieve you have to look at the big picture. The key if how committed the dog is to work for the human handler and how controlled the dog is at all times. In the blind search, the dog knows very well that there is someone at the last blind. Oh yes he knows, but he still runs and searches all the other 5 blinds with full speed and high attitude level as instructed by the handler. This shows control and commitment in the dog to work for the handler. If the dog heads for the last blind first. Then this results in a disqualification. SchH dogs must always be under control at all times and commits himself fully to the handler.

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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PSD
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Oct 27, 2003, 9:37 PM

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Just found out recently that "ScH" title will be refer as VPG,(Vielseitigkeitsprüfung für Gebrauchshunde), do U know will the changes take effect or is it effective already...? ?

Dear Polluxx,

You are ahead of me. I'm still thinking in the old.....may obsolete Schutzhund.....didn't even know about the change. hehehTongue

Maybe you can tell us what are those changes instead.Blush

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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RealityDreamer
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Oct 28, 2003, 2:10 AM

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aah...thank you very very very very much. Smile

That really cleared everything up.
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Polluxx
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Oct 28, 2003, 4:18 AM

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Hi PSD,

I only found out quite recently, but not sure abt when will it be effective. Tongue....was hoping maybe U or others on board will have some idea abt this...! But did see a few rotts & GSDs (German) already with this title VPG1..3,


BTW I thk the rules will remains basically more or less the same, the only diff will be just the title's name ! !






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mackmack
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Oct 30, 2003, 5:47 PM

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Can show us how to pronounce the term "Schutzhund"??

Shootz-Hoon?
Scuz-hund?
.............?

I'm confused with the pronounciation as in English or in German.


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PSD
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Oct 30, 2003, 6:02 PM

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Schutzhund (pronounced "SHUTS-hund," where the "u" sounds just like "book")

as taken from an article by Moc Klinkam. Hope this helps

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
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Nov 3, 2003, 4:40 PM

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While reading one of the post by kaerb, at the same time i found out that this APBT with a SchH III title.

'PR' Cheek's "Red Baroness" SchH III, U-UD, U-AG II


and here her 3 generations of the bloodline

Penny @ 7, Aoife @ 2, Baroness @ 14



Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


mhazman
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Nov 3, 2003, 6:11 PM

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Cool..

Look the eyes..

Azman


PSD
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Nov 3, 2003, 7:19 PM

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Heheheh! Azman....the eyes resemble our Ah Boon lah!!!Tongue

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
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Nov 3, 2003, 8:15 PM

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Wei...

itu Baroness mati already...1 week before her 15th bday. sometime 2001 lah.....Tongue

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Nov 3, 2003, 8:48 PM)


mhazman
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Nov 3, 2003, 8:29 PM

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Waaa... 15 yrs must have a good and healthy life.

The eyes reminded me of a protection trained APBT
I've handled some years ago that changed my perception on protection training.

Azman


PSD
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Nov 3, 2003, 8:45 PM

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Boon,

What really attracks me is the one in the middle.......bad dude he looks.....so muscular face also the eyes loh.Tongue

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


RealityDreamer
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Nov 3, 2003, 10:28 PM

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nice..nice Cool

another one of my fav breeds.

beautiful and muscular, not to mention, great. Smile

how do u pronounce Aoife's name..? Blush

think this is a great way of preserving the working breeds esp the guard dogs like APBT's,rotties...etc. Think you know what i mean. Gives the breeds a good name. esp breeds like rotts and APBT's.

Thanks Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz
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PSD
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think this is a great way of preserving the working breeds esp the guard dogs like APBT's,rotties...etc. Think you know what i mean. Gives the breeds a good name. esp breeds like rotts and APBT's.



RD,

All dogs breeds are for specifics use or excel their best at specifics like hunting, scent, herding, guard etc. But APBT was never bread to become a Guard dog. Tot to let you know this. You can see them in their name itself "American Pitt Bull Terrier" They are for pitt fights. This way they are bred not for any conformation but for their "gameness" closely related to fight drive and preseverence in continuing the fight. That is why APBT comes is many various sizes and even their faces are different. The show lines of APBT is the Stadfordshire Bull Terrier. Like GSD, APBT and SBT is a world of differenceFrown in their gameness. This goes to show that showrings can and will alter the breed against what it was originally bread for so be careful of this and learn.Smile


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Thanks Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz



My dear RD, I think this guy is already dead.......unfortunately.....Tongue

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


RealityDreamer
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Nov 4, 2003, 7:46 AM

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"My dear RD, I think this guy is already dead"

lol Laugh

no harm thanking him... Tongue

note taken Smile
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kaerb
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there are many overseas pit bull owner (low profile) who participate in ring sport and schutzhund, the more well known ones: red baroness, bandog dread, dirk and more. hog hunting is also very interesting too, will try to upload some pics a fren sent me. the red nose ones are always more impressive looking. i think it's their eyes and coat colour that makes them look meaner.
azman, you handled a pit bull before? what happened to it?
wah!!!! you guys are really pro, nice talking to you guys. by the way check out the pics.
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