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scmay
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Sep 30, 2003, 8:27 PM

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Hm, its been some time since I logged into here. Doggie recently started peeing in the house, any corners that he finds. He's been staying here around nearly 3 years and occasionally he just pees one/2 spots in the house when its raining outside. When he came he was trained by the previous owner to do whatever business outside the house and thus we did not face any problems. I talked to the vet and he said he can't figure out too. I bought the repeller that prevents him from doing it again but then he goes and find another spot! My pet has turned into a pest! Good news is he hasn't start doing his 'big business' inside yet...


Gwinn
Old Kaki


Sep 30, 2003, 8:31 PM

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Is there another dog at home?? I read it somewhere that it may be sign of dominance!
Papasan, Mamasan, Jerry, Salsa, Samseng & Junior


scmay
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Sep 30, 2003, 8:38 PM

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Nopes, no other dogs, and didnt have any dogs before him.


surchinmy
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Sep 30, 2003, 9:08 PM

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... Haven't yet met anyone who found that the repellant works Crazy ...

Maybe you basically need to take your doggie through housetraining again ... check the threads on housetraining ... and start with consistency and patience ... It's not a big problem and am sure with proper encouragement - your dog will be fine ...

CheersSmile


Gwinn
Old Kaki


Oct 10, 2003, 7:06 PM

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Hi surchinmy,

just wondering, what could be the cause of dogs starting peeing in the house when it wasn't their intial habits to do so? Could it be a sign of unhappiness or that they are trying to get attention?
Papasan, Mamasan, Jerry, Salsa, Samseng & Junior


surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Oct 11, 2003, 3:06 AM

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Hi ... Smile

If a dog is healthy ... there are several possibilities why the dog may suddenly break routine and start doing something different.

(a) Dogs have fear or sensitive periods. An unaware owner may allow a dog to become frightened or traumatised, causing changes in the basic personality of the dog. If changes are sufficiently serious or traumatic ... the dog's behavioural pattern can change. The generally accepted periods are between 1 to 2 months and between 6 to 8 months. But dogs can (depending on its level of confidence, socialisation & exposure to new things) remain sensitive to changes and trauma until the age of 18 months or so. Trauma during these periods can cause submissive and other dormant tendencies to surface. Some dogs may require re-training during and after such periods.

(b) Most dogs are creatures of habit. Disruption of routine (such as the introduction of a new dog, puppy or even a human baby) can cause behavioural changes in dogs. Whenever the pack undergoes changes, the pack members have to readjust. The withholding of attention or reduction in interaction with its pack, whether human or canine can also cause changes in a dog's behaviour.

(c) Some dogs can exhibit behaviour change, when they bridge puberty to maturity ... I do believe that dogs have moods, mood swings. I think a dog's emotional changes from time to time. And mood change can account for the sometimes erratic behaviour of dogs (just like people). So, either one or a combination of the above factors can cause a dog to do something it does not normally do. Fortunately, unless some serious trauma has occurred or the dog suffers from poor temperament, the period of adjustment is short and dogs can for the most part be easily retrained.

Cheers


(This post was edited by surchinmy on Oct 11, 2003, 3:15 AM)


Gwinn
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Oct 11, 2003, 5:58 PM

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Hi surchinmy,

Wow!! Thanks for the explaination. I think it makes sense now, that they are emotional. Salsa is about 2.5 years and there will always be a period of time when she is very very attached to me, and I do mean like TOO MUCH because she just wants to stay close to me and will allow me to do comb or groom her (which she hates very much) and I can tell that she tries very very hard just to stay still and not move away from me. But sometimes, she will just do her own stuffs and show signs that she wants to go play by herself. That's when I leave her alone. And normally, when she goes play alone, that is when she pees in the house. Other times, she does it outside. So... could it be because I let her play alone (in which I thought that was what she wanted) that could have upset her to have caused the change of wee wee patern?

Does my interpretation of what you explained make sense to you? hehhee... sorry ar... quite bad in all this! UnsureTongue
Papasan, Mamasan, Jerry, Salsa, Samseng & Junior


surchinmy
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Oct 12, 2003, 7:37 AM

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If your dog has always peed outside, as well as inside the house ... then it may have anything to do with behavorial change ...

It may just be that your dog has not been sufficiently house trained and has a habit of peeing in the house when alone ...

Hard to say without seeing dog in its environment ...

Cheers


Gwinn
Old Kaki


Oct 13, 2003, 5:13 PM

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Hi surchinmy,

Insufficient training... hmm.. sounds like it.. will work on it. Thanks! Smile
Papasan, Mamasan, Jerry, Salsa, Samseng & Junior


snoopdog
K9 Kaki


Feb 26, 2004, 5:13 PM

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SmileHello there,

I haven't logged in for sometime and quite surprised to see some changes in the forum. I've been searching for this topic and finally found it! Wink

I think Dome (8 mths) is reaching puberty or something because he's marking his territory in the house. He started to lift his leg since last month (i think). It's usually no problem when I'm home because I leave the door open for him to do his business. The problem is when I'm at work, he pees in forbidden places(kitchen cabinet, japanese screen, golf bags). I had to tried wiping and spraying the anti-pee but it doesn't really work. He knows the word 'shee-shee', inside, outside, etc. I call him and with a stern voice told him 'no shee-shee here'. I don't whack him because I know it's no point doing it. He does have a designated area in the house which have his pee smell. Do I have to start re-training him again? I'm not sure how to start. My pug manual doesn't have this chapterUnsure. Please enlighten me! ThanksSmile

Ciao
Angeline + Maximus & Dome(miss u!)



snoopdog
K9 Kaki


Feb 26, 2004, 5:19 PM

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SmileHI there again!

Forgot to say that I've read the advise but still not sure. There were no traumatised changes, routine disruptions...so I guess that it's the puberty thing. I know I'm asking a lot but could you be more detailed in this puberty changes subject. Thanking you in advance. Banyak terima kasih!

Ciao
Angeline + Maximus & Dome(miss u!)



surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Feb 26, 2004, 7:13 PM

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Hi ...

Well ... I would not discount changes in the household so fast ... it doesn't take a lot to disrupt a young dog's routine because ... being young the routines are not "grounded" yet ... Dogs are very sensitive to their surroundings and the behaviour of people around them ...

Anyways ... about housetraining ...

*** Get a good training manual ... will be worth every penny ... a standard breed book will usually not contain sufficient training information (it is afterall a breed book only) ... get a book that focuses on training a dog ...

2 VERY IMPORTANT things to remember ...

(A) NEVER call a dog and then reprimand the dog - this is the best way to accidentally train a dog NOT TO COME TO YOU ...

(B) When housetraining ... NEVER reprimand a dog for eliminating in the wrong place ... this is the best way to accidentally train a dog that elimination is wrong ... and that could be the reason why your dog is now trying to hide its elimination in "forbidden" places ...

Check threads under "training manual" or "housetraining" ... and you will find suggestions for training books ... and suggestions on housetraining, much has been written on this topic ...


As for puberty ... Just recall what it was like for you when you hit your teens ... (maybe you are still in your teens Smile)

Just as it is for people ... puberty is a period of hormonal changes & the transitional stage between childhood & adulthood ...

(1) Dogs will start to seriously seek their position in the family structure, some dogs will challenge and push limits to see what happens and whether they can improve their position in the pack ...

(2) Dog start to get more territorial ... and learn that they can bark ... they start to recognise & be affected by the scent of other dogs ... they are constantly sniffing and exploring everything ... Crazy ... The way they approach and how other dogs approach them changes ... more cautious ... and more conscious of their respective positioning and hierarchy.

(3) Dogs also start a very sensitive period where their fight & flight instincts kick-in & come to the forefront ... Wrong or careless handling during this period can detrimentally (sometimes permanently) affect the dogs' temperament ... Check threads on "fear periods" ...

This is both good and difficult period ...

"Good" because during this period a knowlegeable & gentle owner will really & truly start to bond with his/her dog (the bonds properly built during this period are almost always forever) ... and "difficult" because a careless or lazy owner will lose his/her dog ...

Cheers ... Smile




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snoopdog
K9 Kaki


Feb 26, 2004, 7:31 PM

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SmileHi there,

Thanks for the fast reply. It was more detailed and I understand more. Yikes! Did the wrong thing on reprimanding. I'm going to get a housetraining book this weekend. Thanks for everything!

Ciao
Angeline + Maximus & Dome(miss u!)



surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Feb 26, 2004, 7:54 PM

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Most welcome ... very glad to hear you are going to invest in a good training manual ... Try Kinokuniya (***sp?) ... in KLCC, minglmy says they carry a good range of training books ...

If you can find it ... this is, I think is a great basic training book ... a very good book to start with ...

Good Owners, Great Dogs
by S. Brian/Wilson Kilcommons ...

http://www.amazon.com/...v=glance&s=books

Cheers Smile


snoopdog
K9 Kaki


Feb 26, 2004, 8:03 PM

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SmileThanks for the recommendation. Errrmmm...but I'm not going to KL, just going to MPH at S.Parade. I hope they have it there as well. There are so many training books and I get so confused and not sure which one to buy. Thanks again!

Ciao
Angeline + Maximus & Dome(miss u!)



surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Feb 26, 2004, 8:36 PM

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General rule of thumb with training manuals ...

(a) Check the Date of FIRST Publication ... the more current the date - usually the better ... Training books first printed in the mid or even late 90s maybe rather dated ... training methods, understanding of dog psychology & behaviour ... have evolved tremendously in recent times.

(b) Check the reviews on the front & back covers ... Good training manuals will have good reviews from the more serious canine publications and other well-known canine personalities ...

Of late, because of the booming pet market - everyone thinks they are experts and there are a lot of "strange" training books being published ...

(c) For a starter training book ... have a look at the index ... should be well arranged and make for easy reference ...

Oh ... one good way is to search for the title in Amazon ... and you will usually get a whole load of reviews from people who have used the book ...

And you remember the "Books for Dummies" series ... well, they have training books too which are quite good ... worth a look ...

Cheers Smile


snoopdog
K9 Kaki


Feb 26, 2004, 9:20 PM

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SmileIn reply to your advise......

a) Did not know about the date thing. Will keep a look out on the dates.

b) Hmmmm....I found most of them do not have reviews...so that narrows down the choices. How do I know which ones are serious and genuine. The one with the reviews?

c) Index...right. Yeah! I do look out for it.

Will check out the amazon website for the books and reviews. Books for the Dummies....don't really like it because I find them very long winded. But I'll give it a try. Thanks!Cool

Ciao
Angeline + Maximus & Dome(miss u!)



surchinmy
Ultra ALPHA

Feb 26, 2004, 10:43 PM

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No ... just because there are reviews, it does not mean that the book is good ... depends on the reviewer ... not all reviews are accurate ...

Guess the only way - is to do your own research etc ... and over time you will come to know who are respected trainers etc ... and which reviewer can be trusted ...

Check out people like Patricia McConnell ... Suzanne Clothier ... Brian Kilcommons ... Karen Pryor ... William E Campbell ... Robert Milner ... Bill Tarrant ... etc ...

Cheers Smile


snoopdog
K9 Kaki


Feb 26, 2004, 11:41 PM

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SmileHi, have gone to the amazon webpage and found the reviews on the 'Good Owners, Great Dogs' seems to be genuine. I will also take note on the other authors and check out their books. But I have to go all the way to Kinokuniya to get it. MPH don't have. Anyway, thanks for everything.Cool

Ciao
Angeline + Maximus & Dome(miss u!)


 
 




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