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Namen
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Mar 1, 2008, 2:35 AM

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Hi everyone,

I have a mongrel (9 months old) and he likes to bark early in the morning and evening. Unsure

Every day around 5 am or sometimes around 4.30 am, he'll start barking. My dad has to let him go outside the house so that he'll stop barking. But he'll also bark when he is outside. I don't know what he is barking at coz there's nothing/no one outside in the dark. I know we're supposed to ignore him when he barks but it's early in the morning and we don't want to disturb the neighbours.

Besides that, he also barks around 4 to 5 pm. Last time, when he barks, I'll go to his place and pat him or just accompany him. I know I've spoilt him (sorry, first time being a dog owner, I didn't know I was supposed to ignore him

) but now I want to let him know that he won't get what he wants if he barks non stop. I never beat him but my granddad does. My dog's not scared of that anymore. *sigh* Frown

So is there anything I can do to stop him from barking?? Now, I ignore him when he barks in the evening but what can we do in the morning?? Please help! I'd REALLY REALLY appreciate it.

Amber.Faith
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Mar 2, 2008, 7:20 AM

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Some dogs bark for a reason & some don't. For your dog's case, he barks for no reason. Have you tried putting on bark collar before? We have one & it's actually a spray that sprays directly at your dog's nose. It's harmless & will not hurt the dog. Lime juice gets sprayed out & the dogs will not like it. Everytime the dog barks, he gets sprayed automatically. But unfortunately, once your dog's used to it, he will not stop barking eventhough the thing is spraying at him all the time. There's also electric collar but I'm sure you don't want that... You can get the spray collar at Ikano. We got ours there but it was the only one left & it cost around RM100+.

There's another thing you can do too. This method will not hurt the dog but it will startle the daylight out of it. Fill a coke can with stones. The moment he starts barking, throw it hard on the ground till it makes a very loud noise! Throw it just in front or beside him. But when you throw it, give a firm command, "NOOOO!!!" too with finger pointing at him. It takes about 50 times, 50 corrections before the dog can learn & break a bad habit. So 50 times you'll need to be consistent at correcting him.

No more sayangs, pettings or even talking to him softly like, "It's okay lah, don't worry. There's nothing out there..." This is only encouraging the dog to bark more & he will NEVER learn. So, be a little bit more firm with him. I'm sure he's no longer a small puppy...

(This post was edited by Amber.Faith on Mar 2, 2008, 7:22 AM)

Namen
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Mar 3, 2008, 2:25 AM

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Amber.Faith,

Thanks SO SO much for your advice. I don't think I'll be able to afford the bark collar but I'll definitely try the coke can method . Smile

And I'll be more firm with him. Hehe! Thanks again!

zephyros
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Mar 13, 2008, 9:23 PM

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avoid the bark collar. useless for some dogs and also won't last. dogs will get use to the smell really quickly.

as for coke, it might work, or it might backfire. what happens when it backfires? people will see your dog is afraid of this, and this method can be used to startle your dog enough that an intruder can do almost anything. Another thing that might occur is your dog will be chicken to any startling sound which is something u want to avoid. you might lower his confidence and chances are he'll be barking even more because he might feel threatened by every little sound.

from your description it seems that he might have learnt that when he wants YOU, all he has to do is bark. so what you need to do is change this thinking. alternatively, instead of startling, you can try the muffler method.

first time bark, vocal warning. second time bark, give visual and vocal warning. Third time, muffle him. this will take a little of your commitment to have him learn. When he is barking at the right thing, don't allow him to OVERDO it either. To a certain extent, call him back and divert his attention. This is because you want him to learn to bark at the right reasons too. What you want right now is NOT stop his barking, but direct it at the right reason.

as mentioned by amber, yes you have to be firm. but there are many methods out there to teach your dog and you just have to find the best. some might work on one dog, doesn't mean it'll work on others. try alternatives and find what's best for you. don't compromise your dog's well being for a simple method. Good Luck

BarkingMad
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Mar 14, 2008, 5:44 PM

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i too think the coke can method should work if you are consistent. but i dont really thing your dog barks for no reason at all. it would be better if you could find out what triggered him.

BarkingMad
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Mar 14, 2008, 5:48 PM

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can you please explain what is a "muffler method"?

zephyros
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Mar 14, 2008, 5:53 PM

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it's a piece of nylon cloth that is used to keep the dog's mouth closed. usually used when the dog as excessive barking or biting

chrislimyy
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Mar 16, 2008, 11:31 PM

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actually, with a pup, you must get straight to the point...if he doesn't listen to your firm NO, then u should cane him, but not too hard...only on his buttocks ya...not other parts of the body...if still he barks for no reason, then you whack him with newspapers...it sounds cruel, but hitting him with newspapers won't hurt a lot. but the sound of it will...if it persists, then your whacking must be consistent...it will surely be much much faster than scaring him...

BarkingMad
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Mar 17, 2008, 5:19 PM

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thanks for explaining.. btw, have you used the muffler method personally? how long do you muffler the dog each time?

BarkingMad
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Mar 17, 2008, 5:23 PM

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while i agree that beating the pup is the most staight-to-the-point way, i also think it is cruel and would easily break the bond between the dog and its owner.

the use of coke can or spray bottle would be more humane.. just be consistent.

vckloong
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Apr 27, 2008, 8:49 PM

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Hi,

Dog behavioural problems are sometimes worrisome.

If you guys need an expert or consultant's advice from the United States you can visit www.dogtrainster.com.

They have pretty good information there as well as certified consultants there to help you out.

Vincent
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francis_wong
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May 6, 2008, 11:35 PM

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hi. yr dog barking maybe it hungry...my schnauzer barking every morning 7.30am. after feeding then stop till night time 7pm when i back home then start barking asking for food.

Peenut
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Jun 7, 2008, 1:26 AM

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hi BarkingMad

each to it's own methods of educating their dog, however, truthfully speaking, caning or using newspaper as a training method is not inhumane in the least as long as kept within reason and is not overdone. another vital thing is DO NOT EVER USE YOUR HAND against your pet. THAT is what breaks the bond not the newspaper or cane. A dog's natural instinct is to grow up and live in a pack with family and friends. Within this pack there is a strict ranking system to which every dog adheres to. When you have a dog as a pet, this system should also be applied by you as to make them understand that YOU are the alpha "dog" and your dog is the beta gamma or how many ever you have.

on a different note, would you rather establish a healthy ranking order by showing CONTAINED (not beat the living crap out of the dog) dominance or would you rather scare your furkid 'to death' with a can or a nose spray? (i personally hate nose sprays so yeah...)

but at the end of the day, because you are the alpha, YOU have to feel comfortable with the training method that you imply.

Namen
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Jul 18, 2008, 11:32 AM

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I wanna thank u all for the all the advice. I tried the coke can method and it worked. My boy doesnt bark in the morning or for no reason anymore. Wink

Thanks so much everyone.

nicholaskong
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Aug 22, 2008, 9:39 PM

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my pup bark for the same reason also hungry..asking for food..every morning 7somthing will bark until i feed her n nite also same..i dun really like she bark for food..how to stop her??

Ho Lee Mee
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Aug 28, 2008, 11:50 PM

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My mongrel (she's now 5+ yrs) was just like that. What I did was not feed her at the same time (7am/pm) but maybe later or earlier when she is not expecting it and do not let her see you prepare her food. Give the meal to her only when she is calm or else you will be rewarding her for barking. This work for me and now when it is time for her meal, she just lie down and wait and look at me will those sorrowful eyes like as if she hasn't eaten for years. Hope this helps

CLing80
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Jan 5, 2009, 7:15 AM

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Hi all,

I have a 4 years old mongrel and 3 years old lab mixed. Mongrel has very good temper and do not bark unneccesary. Lab mixed has been pampered so quite a spoilt brat. They used to live in different houses. Recently we've sold one of the house and the furkids have to live together under one roof. At first they seem alright. Our love for them is equally the same. They move around the front porch freely. Until few months ago, lab start barking and growling at mongrel. Then lab starts getting jealous on everything. He wants mongrel's sleeping spot, he wants to eat first and he wants to go out for evening walk first. He barks at mongrel whenever mongrel is barking at strangers and postman. Unsure

Mongrel's been really patient for a long time but I guess there's a limit to everyone's level of patience. Lately, both of them been barking and growling at each other uncontrollably and they start fighting and hurting each other too. Pirate

It breaks our heart to see scars and blood on their body every other day so mum decided to separate them up. One being tied to one corner and the other one surrounded with foldable fence. This is not a solution to the furkid's problem but at least they stop fighting for certain time to catch some sleep. However, they still fight during feeding time and when we come home. Unimpressed

Lab can even bark non-stop 1 whole day. I hate to disturb the neighbours.

We have discussed/tried most of the way mentioned by most of you but it doesn't help. Unsure

Beating doesn't stop them. I personally doesn't agree with lemon spray collar. Muffler method might be an alternative. Mum is thinking about getting a huge ass cage for lab since he's the more agressive one. I still think its not a very good idea afterall. I read a book 'Dog Whisperer'. The author of the book faces even bigger challenges with various dogs with problems and he managed to cure them without cage, beating or even lemon spray collar. Its all about using the most natural way in our life. He really understand dog's world and their needs. Sigh... Unsure

unfortunately he's not in Malaysia. Can anyone help me with some advise? I really don't understand. They seem alright staying together for first few months then they fight like crazy??? I miss the time where both of them get to spend their time sleeping and walking around freely

zephyros
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Jan 5, 2009, 6:10 PM

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where are you located at?

seems there are some jealousy among your dogs, or lab more like it. think the lab has been on the top of the pyramid for a long time and isn't used to being an equal all of a sudden. think u have to start from the beginning again with both the dogs. though it might seem like it's the lab, but it's best to work with both. do they share the same food bowl(i hope not) ? if they do, u can start from here. two separate bowls with some distance from each other, comfortable enough for both dogs. what I do with my two dogs, is to have them sit at their specific bowls, always. put food in both bowls. they do not start eating till i say they can. so both will have food at the same time. this will discourage them from sniffing at the other bowl. they always get the same food, so no bias or jealousy between them. then it's time, I give the signal for both to eat. they use the same command.

this is just one method and place to start, usualyl food is the most sensitive issue imo.

CLing80
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Jan 6, 2009, 7:01 AM

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Ampang.

Thanks for your advise but this ain't gonna work on my dogs. Since they are young, they have been trained to sit-hand-down and wait patiently until we say OK to eat their food in separate bowls. They are still doing the same until today.

Eversince they start fighting, we separate them further away during feeding time. We practice equality on the furkids for punishment, food and others but still they fight. Either one will still start the fight by growling at the other one.

My dogs are in a far more critical situation than u can imagine.

acsyen
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Jan 6, 2009, 9:26 PM

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You can try to consult a behaviorist specialist Cheng See 012-2584315.

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CLing80
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Jan 7, 2009, 6:00 AM

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sounds like a good idea! Is she one of the member here too? Is it free to ask some questions and get some advise. I'm a broke working adult Blush

acsyen
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Jan 7, 2009, 6:38 AM

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You can always call her and see what she suggests. She's not a member here.

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CLing80
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Jan 7, 2009, 6:51 AM

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thanks. I'm also open to other suggestions. So all are welcome to post their reply to my issues.

KIMICHONG
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Jan 15, 2009, 1:30 AM

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there is another method which i use to train my doberman....its a bit pity for him but i got no choice bec he keeps howling at night around 4am...bec he is quite demanding me to accompany him even though i spent 1/2 hrs to play with him everyday.I use a muzzle to tie up his mouth.At first i tie for 1 hr...but later after few times he still howling i tie him for whole night and only let off in the morning and i ignore him for 3 days without play and food.Now my dobe is better behaviour than b4.Its inhuman a bit but its for both own good.....

PamperedPooches
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Aug 30, 2009, 4:16 AM

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Hi Namen,

You may want to train him by using a Stop Bark collar during those times of the day.

It's a device that is activated only when the dog barks. And no, it DOESNT emit any chemicals as I read it in one of the threads. It works by vibrating causing some slight discomfort to the dog i.e. kinda telling the dog to stop the barking.

You can check out www.pamperedpoochesstore.com

Cheers.