I have been reading a lot of your posting with great confusion. i do hope you are a certified animal behaviorist because what you have mentioned in no way can train a dog. For an "Alpha" male to claim that position it has to fight sometimes even kill for it and it is still happening now especially when you take a new pup home hence it is mother nature. So to "beat" is to reprimand but then again I do not understand your definition of "beat". At the end of the day, do you think you and your dog can win an Obedience competition if you can and you do then you may have some bases on your views on beating dogs. Abuse can be define as beating so can Reprimanding.

I have been reading a lot of your posting with great confusion. i do hope you are a certified animal behaviorist because what you have mentioned in no way can train a dog. For an "Alpha" male to claim that position it has to fight sometimes even kill for it and it is still happening now especially when you take a new pup home hence it is mother nature. So to "beat" is to reprimand but then again I do not understand your definition of "beat". At the end of the day, do you think you and your dog can win an Obedience competition if you can and you do then you may have some bases on your views on beating dogs. Abuse can be define as beating so can Reprimanding.

You are definitely reading alot into my postings, all I am saying is how do you define "beating"? As I can see you have launch a rather personal attack at me on the understanding of the subject. I am just pointing out that "a firm jerk" on a choke collar to reprimand can also be contrue as an abuse so can at the moment being caught biting a shoe and immediate reprimand with "the" shoe (a firm tap on the mouth) can also be contrued as beating so where do we actually "start & stop". This subject is getting no where with the original person posting this subject and the more this person post (sorry cannot recall the person's name presently) the more confusing it gets. There are a fair few number of people asking for advise here and it is just plain confusing just read your own posting and mine, did I mention "kicking, jabbing or slamming? All I am saying define to others "what is beating your dog"?

Fine, great then be specific especially to those who has a three month or six month old pup and is a real destructor at home that a loud "NO" is not abusing the pup or a light "tap" on the mouth is not beating your pup/dog or a firm "jerk" to correct heel work training is not a crime.

I have been reading a lot of your posting with great confusion. i do hope you are a certified animal behaviorist because what you have mentioned in no way can train a dog. For an "Alpha" male to claim that position it has to fight sometimes even kill for it and it is still happening now especially when you take a new pup home hence it is mother nature. So to "beat" is to reprimand but then again I do not understand your definition of "beat". At the end of the day, do you think you and your dog can win an Obedience competition if you can and you do then you may have some bases on your views on beating dogs. Abuse can be define as beating so can Reprimanding.

I have been reading a lot of your posting with great confusion. i do hope you are a certified animal behaviorist because what you have mentioned in no way can train a dog. For an "Alpha" male to claim that position it has to fight sometimes even kill for it and it is still happening now especially when you take a new pup home hence it is mother nature. So to "beat" is to reprimand but then again I do not understand your definition of "beat". At the end of the day, do you think you and your dog can win an Obedience competition if you can and you do then you may have some bases on your views on beating dogs. Abuse can be define as beating so can Reprimanding.

Not certain why you posting this article, I never mentioned beating a dog with a baseball bat or even a roll up newspaper is right. I am pointing out what has been said so far to date is not clear inparticular with teenages with their first pup or first pup owners. Foe instance, you got yourself a pup with bad rtemperament or a very dominant pup that snaps when anything it feels is his/her, ok as I have read from this postings, throw it a toy, a bunch of keys whatver, fine so now it is playing with them, can you take it away? As one is not allowed to "scold or raise the ones voice" and this form of behaviour persist, you try and take things away from the dog when it is full grown. Please tell it to the first time owner how to solve this issue without "scolding" or reprimand the dog.