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chrisong
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Apr 15, 2006, 5:43 AM

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Dog Shows - be there All Breed Championship Shows or Specialty Shows one comment we often hear is ďIf I canít win, Iím not going.Ē Well if you donít you are losers.

You donít go to shows to win. Many exhibitors have lost sight of the purpose of dog shows. You show your dogs and there are so many more reasons to attend. You go to see old friends and make new ones. If you have a female you would like to breed, you go to check out the males. You might find the perfect one. She may not win. But one of their offspring just might.

There have been cases of exhibitors who have gone to shows for 10 years or more and have never won. Dog shows are about everything but winning. Only one dog can do that. Of cause all exhibitors day dream of winning Ė after all showing dogs is winning Best in Show but few will realize that dream. Everybody who goes to show their dogs win just in different ways when they go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who.

Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever.




(This post was edited by chrisong on Apr 15, 2006, 5:44 AM)


daniel.woo
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Apr 18, 2006, 8:57 PM

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Well said, couldn't agree more.


mcmann
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Apr 21, 2006, 2:30 AM

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Dog Shows - be there All Breed Championship Shows or Specialty Shows one comment we often hear is ďIf I canít win, Iím not going.Ē Well if you donít you are losers.

You donít go to shows to win. Many exhibitors have lost sight of the purpose of dog shows. You show your dogs and there are so many more reasons to attend. You go to see old friends and make new ones. If you have a female you would like to breed, you go to check out the males. You might find the perfect one. She may not win. But one of their offspring just might.

There have been cases of exhibitors who have gone to shows for 10 years or more and have never won. Dog shows are about everything but winning. Only one dog can do that. Of cause all exhibitors day dream of winning Ė after all showing dogs is winning Best in Show but few will realize that dream. Everybody who goes to show their dogs win just in different ways when they go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who.

Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever.






Well said well said, many ppl thinks that go show must win, if not go for what. Well, i think even if your dog is nice but without handling experience in the ring. u will get nothing.







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kitconnie78
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Apr 23, 2006, 3:13 AM

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That is the true spirit of dog show.

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serene_kwlim
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May 7, 2006, 6:12 PM

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Dear Cris,

I agree wut u said, but sometimes for those who shown gsds.. is very upset to go for shows coz v aldy know our dog wont get any chance to hv even a red ribbon.Frown tis is y u see there's less newbie entering gsd group nowadays..Frown

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PSY
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May 13, 2006, 12:50 AM

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Hi,

From your posting you sound rather discourage however do you know why you and your GSD is not making the mark? Is it the dog, your preparation of your dog for the show or your presentation? If it is your dog, then you may not have the eye to catch the critical points in the standard and hence you need to learn more, if it is your preparation, then time is required and then the presentation, that is your showmanship, well you either have it or not. I know some owners actually engage others to show the dog so that is one option.

As for the nonsence of not winning is not important so I ask why participate at all? It is such a non-motivational attitute to have in life. As for socialising, most breeders do not appreciate anyone bringing a non showing dog to the show as it is a major distraction and also leaves room for trouble as some may wish to cause some chaos by bringing a bitch that is on heat. If you wish to socialse your dog go and visit at Odedience training sessions either at Puppy.com or M.K.A.

As for looking for a stud dog, if your bitch is not up to par why breed it? As a rule of thumb the bitch usually is the dog that contributes to her off-spring.

As for GSD, you should look at it objectively and have another go, beside the competition is pretty tough as the pool of dogs is fairly hugh unlike breeds with small numbers.

So to conclude, if not to win then do not show.


chrisong
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May 13, 2006, 2:23 AM

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"Hi,

From your posting you sound rather discourage however do you know why you and your GSD is not making the mark? Is it the dog, your preparation of your dog for the show or your presentation? If it is your dog, then you may not have the eye to catch the critical points in the standard and hence you need to learn more, if it is your preparation, then time is required and then the presentation, that is your showmanship, well you either have it or not. I know some owners actually engage others to show the dog so that is one option.

As for the nonsence of not winning is not important so I ask why participate at all? It is such a non-motivational attitute to have in life. As for socialising, most breeders do not appreciate anyone bringing a non showing dog to the show as it is a major distraction and also leaves room for trouble as some may wish to cause some chaos by bringing a bitch that is on heat. If you wish to socialse your dog go and visit at Odedience training sessions either at Puppy.com or M.K.A.

As for looking for a stud dog, if your bitch is not up to par why breed it? As a rule of thumb the bitch usually is the dog that contributes to her off-spring.

As for GSD, you should look at it objectively and have another go, beside the competition is pretty tough as the pool of dogs is fairly hugh unlike breeds with small numbers.

So to conclude, if not to win then do not show. "

All your answer already here on my first posting. Recap : -


Dog Shows - be there All Breed Championship Shows or Specialty Shows one comment we often hear is ďIf I canít win, Iím not going.Ē Well if you donít you are losers.

You donít go to shows to win. Many exhibitors have lost sight of the purpose of dog shows. You show your dogs and there are so many more reasons to attend. You go to see old friends and make new ones. If you have a female you would like to breed, you go to check out the males. You might find the perfect one. She may not win. But one of their offspring just might.

There have been cases of exhibitors who have gone to shows for 10 years or more and have never won. Dog shows are about everything but winning. Only one dog can do that. Of cause all exhibitors day dream of winning Ė after all showing dogs is winning Best in Show but few will realize that dream. Everybody who goes to show their dogs win just in different ways when they go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who.

Ribbons and Trophies are fleeting. Knowledge and friendships are forever.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 14, 2006, 12:10 AM

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You question others answering your postings so why are you doing so????

Your posting (initial one) is extremely ambiguous and full of contradictions, in fact all your postings. Since I am here now, why are you showing if not to win? Oh you may answer this posting to you but if you choose not to it is fine too, one can draw a conclusion from that.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 14, 2006, 3:11 AM

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Yes you are right. One will draw a conclusion from what you have posted here.

I thought that is your last posting from puppycom? refer your posting here just to refeash your memory http://www.puppy.com.my/...;;page=unread#unread


ppdcdm
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May 14, 2006, 11:34 AM

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by seing this posting of urs im drawing a conclusion that u r DAMN CHILDISH!!!

man, wat is the point of pointing out somebody saying they MIGHT posting the last posting?

it is such a nonsense, if u r so professional u will discuss it properly rather than searching for somebody's hystory which has nothing to do with showing a dog.

if u r so professional may i know why u only have a dog who win prizes?

well if u don mind abt winning, y not u bring ur show dog there to socialise, u oso can make new friends, then let others a higher chance to win?

winning not important for u wat, so lets those who feel important to go there lo.


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chrisong
Doggyman

May 14, 2006, 6:10 PM

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if u r so professional may i know why u only have a dog who win prizes?

well if u don mind abt winning, y not u bring ur show dog there to socialise, u oso can make new friends, then let others a higher chance to win?

winning not important for u wat, so lets those who feel important to go there lo.

Really, How come I don't know all my dog winning prize.Crazy I currently own 5 Silky, not all of them are show quality. Even I show them before but no win. I already know they can't win but still try it out. If I know my dog cannot win why you think I am enroll them to show? Did you know I bring all my dog in any activities held by Puppy.com & others? How about your GR?

You are so funny in your last post. You mean my dog keep winning no give chance to others? Hahahaha You think my dog all the time win? I been attenting dog show for 5 year now. Only recently my Sillky start winning. Alot of people like you like to put people down by saying some nasty thing to you and backstab you just wanted you to will feel bad so you want to get off the show ring so that they can win. But nice try I spend alot of money attending show for the past 5 years for me is a experience & knowlegde that will be with me for my whole life & I will continue showing my Silky untill I am no longer able to so.

So happy backstabbing yaTongue


kitconnie78
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May 15, 2006, 7:29 PM

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Well show is a sport. I agree with Chris that going for show doesn't mean you have to win. If you can't win in the show you can keep trying.

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kitconnie78
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May 15, 2006, 7:30 PM

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Sometimes we go for show it doesn't guarantee you will win. Dog show is a sport. We need to have sportsmanship if you want to go for a show. Win and lose is a common thing in show. Smile

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PSY
K9 Kaki


May 16, 2006, 4:36 AM

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Hi,

The issue here is I am not saying it is not a sport, what I am trying to point out is motivation, a goal, a drive to be the best when you partake or participate in anything but the initial posting as it states "it does not matter if you do not win as some have participated for a decade and still at it. It is such a pessimistic and defeatist attitute. One should encourage to go in to win and not it does not matter.

My response was to give a slight push or motivation for that aprticular forum member not to give up.

Another point that is worth pondering over is that, if one has that attitute of not wanting to win why waste time for others who are showing and drag the show till the late evening?


chrisong
Doggyman

May 16, 2006, 5:08 AM

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Yes everyone enter showring wanted to win but not all can win, that why I say before go to the shows with an open mind and put less emphasis on winning. This approach is far more lasting and beneficial to everyone concern. Go to shows to show what you got and see what other people have got and find out who doing what with who. I always believing this "Don't give up, Your time will come".

That why I say to you all your doubt are there in my first posting.Unsure


chrisong
Doggyman

May 16, 2006, 7:04 AM

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Winning is never everything in all competitions!!!

If everyone were to feel less about winning and more about enjoying themselves, the show would be filled with a happier spirit.

Cheers


8033
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May 16, 2006, 5:59 PM

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U r right, winning is never everything in all competitions.. cos its the only thing in all competitions Sly

if u really think u dont hv even the slimmest chance to win in the competition u r entering, its just plain time wasting for yourself as well as other competitors. and i think most if not all of the people entering a competition think themselves got a chance of winning, no matter how lousy they actually are.. watch the american/malaysia idol audition shown on tv and u'll know what i mean.


kitconnie78
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May 16, 2006, 7:48 PM

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I am sure all people who attended the show will hope to win. Yet it doesn't really matter if you really win or not in the first place. You might not win in the first time. You just have to try a few more times. When I say it doesn't really matter win or not, we are not being pessimistic or defeatist attitude. We must know how good our dog compare to other dogs.

As I said dog show is a sport we cannot just tell others that if you can't win please don't join in and prolong the show time. The purpose of the show is to let anyone who think that they wanted to participate to join in the show. I am sure all who enter for show wanted to win but still it doesn't mean you will win. You enter the show in hope of winning. If you lose you have to try again next time.

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kitconnie78
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May 16, 2006, 7:52 PM

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I am sure everyone who enter the show carry the hope they have a chance to win. I really encourage anyone who love to join for the show please do. Don't worry about winning or losing. You need to gain experience first before you can win. It won't be a waste of time even you win nothing. Experience is very important. You may lose in the show but the experience you gain is uncountable.

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8033
Dog Kichi


May 16, 2006, 8:13 PM

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agreed. however, when i said winning is everything, it doesnt mean that u wont gain anything if u lose.. u will be able to gain experience, make frens, etc. but u'll only improve & put in yr best effort if u hv the urge to win. i hate to lose Tongue


kitconnie78
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May 16, 2006, 10:04 PM

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Anyone who join competition must be in your best. Once you did your best lose or win is up to the judge to decide. Sly Well I just a lot of peopl hate to lose but there must be a loser.

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estkit
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May 17, 2006, 7:02 AM

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Actually wat we need to consider to enter mka dog show?i wonder can my mocha qualified?i dunno how le.pls advise


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chrisong
Doggyman

May 17, 2006, 4:17 PM

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Hi esther,

Please check the link for more detail. http://www.mka.org.my/sport_conform_rules.htm

Hope this help.


PSY
K9 Kaki


May 18, 2006, 5:23 AM

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Thank-you 8033, at last to see someone who realise what "drive", "motivation" and "setting goals" is all about. The problem in a general way, is most Malaysian have this lackadaisical attitude to things they undertake and your example of the "Idols" competition/contest is really great in pointing out what I was trying to point out to fellow forumers. All the best to you.


chrisong
Doggyman

May 18, 2006, 6:14 AM

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agreed. however, when i said winning is everything, it doesnt mean that u wont gain anything if u lose.. u will be able to gain experience, make frens, etc. but u'll only improve & put in yr best effort if u hv the urge to win. i hate to lose Tongue



I consider showing dogs a fun way to spend time in my relationship with the dogs. I consider it my job to teach them to love to show so I can KNOW they are having a good time and can show them and ask them to go through all the other stuff, because they like the ring too.

My dogs are the reason for the show, not the other way around. As long as the dog and I are having an ongoing relationship that is enjoyable and trusting, the priorities are right and the show will go on. Winning is important, but leaving the ring with a dog that is wagging its tail is more important and in the long run, leads to more winning anyway. Preparing for and participating in a show is an exciting way to build a close, strong relationship with your dog. The biggest thing I do is love my dogs. The dog shows are something that I can do with them. Many people go to gym or swimming, but their pets aren't involved. When you go to dog shows your pets are there with you. It's all for them.

If we rely on winning to have a good time, then we rely on a system that is terribly flawed and often corrupt, to identify the "best dog" that in the best of worlds is subjective anyway. If we rely on enjoying our dogs and them enjoying our company, at least the dogs' half of the equation is usually successful and we only have to work on ourselves.

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