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surind
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Sep 12, 2005, 9:49 PM

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Dobermann

Group: Utility
Size: large
Lifespan: 10-12 years
Exercise: medium
Grooming: very low
Trainability: very high
Watchdog ability: very high
Protection ability: very high
Area of Origin: Germany
Date of Origin: 1800's
Other Names: Dobermann Pinscher
Original Function: guardian

History
The Dobermann is named after its creator Louis Dobermann. Dobermann was a German tax collector who also ran the local animal shelter in his area. A skilled breeder, he set out to create a medium-sized working dog that would accompany and protect him during the day on his travels. Most educated guesses suggest that crosses of the Rottweiler, the German Pinscher, the Manchester terrier and perhaps the Greyhound were used to perfect the breed by 1899. At first the breed was unpopular with most dog fanciers but did catch the eye of those interested in a medium-sized security dog. Further refinements were made and the breed was officially recognised in Germany and then shortly after in America in 1908. Americans are credited with developing the handsome and reliable Doberman we know today. The breed thrives well in both city and country if he is provided with daily exercise.

Temperament
The Dobermann is a highly energetic, intelligent dog breed. Initially suspicious of strangers, the Dobermann is a capable watchdog. Loyal, adventurous, likes a mental challenge. The Dobermann can be domineering.

Upkeep
This is an active breed that needs daily mental and physical exercise, least it becomes frustrated or destructive. Its exercise requirements can be met with a long jog or walk on leash, or a strenuous run in a safe area. The Dobermann can live outside in temperate climates, but it is a much better companion and effective guardian if it shares its humanís home. Coat care is minimal.



Official Breed Standard

General Appearance
Medium size, muscular and elegant, with well set body. Of proud carriage, compact and tough. Capable of great speed.

Characteristics
Intelligent and firm of character, loyal and obedient.

Temperament
Bold and alert. Shyness or viciousness very highly undesirable.

Head and Skull
In proportion to body. Long, well filled out under eyes and clean cut, with good depth of muzzle. Seen from above and side, resembles an elongated blunt wedge. Upper part of head flat and free from wrinkle. Top of skull flat, slight stop; muzzle line extending parallel to top line of skull. Cheeks flat, lips tight. Nose solid black in black dogs, solid dark brown in brown dogs, solid dark grey in blue dogs and light brown in fawn dogs. Head out of balance in proportion to body, dish-faced, snipy or cheeky very highly undesirable.

Eyes
Almond-shaped, not round, moderately deep set, not prominent, with lively, alert expression. Iris of uniform colour, ranging from medium to darkest brown in black dogs, the darker shade being more desirable. In browns, blues, or fawns, colour of iris blends with that of markings, but not of lighter hue than markings; light eyes in black dogs highly undesirable.

Ears
Small, neat, set high on head. Normally dropped, but may be erect

Mouth
Well developed, solid and strong with complete dentition and a perfect, regular and complete scissor bite, i.e. upper teeth closely overlapping lower teeth and set square to the jaws. Evenly placed teeth. Undershot, overshot or badly arranged teeth highly undesirable

Neck
Fairly long and lean, carried with considerable nobility; slightly convex and in proportion to shape of dog. Region of nape very muscular. Dewlap and loose skin undesirable.

Forequarters
Shoulder blade and upper arm meet at an angle of 90 degrees. Shoulder blade and upper arm approximately equal in length. Short upper arm relative to shoulder blade highly undesirable. Legs seen from front and side, perfectly straight and parallel to each other from elbow to pastern; muscled and sinewy, with round bone in proportion to body structure. Standing or gaiting, elbow lies close to brisket.

Body
Square, height measured vertically from ground to highest point at withers equal to length from forechest to rear projection of upper thigh. Forechest well developed. Back short and firm, with strong, straight topline sloping slightly from withers to croup; bitches may be slightly longer to loin. Ribs deep and well sprung, reaching to elbow. Belly fairly well tucked up. Long, weak, or roach backs highly undesirable.

Hindquarters
Legs parallel to each other and moderately wide apart. Pelvis falling away from spinal column at an angle of about 30 degrees. Croup well filled out. Hindquarters well developed and muscular; long, well bent stifle; hocks turning neither in nor out. When standing, hock to heel perpendicular to the ground.

Feet
Well arched, compact, and cat-like, turning neither in nor out. All dewclaws removed. Long, flat deviating feet and/or weak pasterns highly undesirable.

Tail
Customarily docked.

Docked:
Docked at 1st or 2nd joint. Appears to be a continuation of spine without material drop.

Undocked:
Appears to be a continuation of spine without material drop, or slightly raised when the dog is moving.

Gait/Movement
Elastic, free, balanced and vigorous, with good reach in forequarters and driving power in hindquarters. When trotting, should have strong rear drive, with apparent rotary motion of hindquarters. Rear and front legs thrown neither in nor out. Back remains strong and firm.

Coat
Smooth, short, hard, thick and close-lying. Imperceptible undercoat on neck permissible. Hair forming a ridge on back of neck and/or along spine highly undesirable.

Colour
Definite black, brown, blue or fawn (Isabella) only, with rust red markings. Markings to be sharply defined, appearing above each eye, on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet and below tail. White markings of any kind highly undesirable.

Size
Ideal height at withers: dogs: 69 cms (27 ins); bitches: 65 cms (251/2 ins). Considerable deviation from this ideal undesirable.

Faults
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog.

Note
Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.
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surind
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Sep 12, 2005, 10:38 PM

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Just decided to start a Dobermann thread.

A place for all Dobermann enthusiast and owners to meet and have a good conversation in the spirit of sharing and making a difference. Everyone has a voice, no one person is right or wrong. Sharing from a "I" avoids arguments. Whats true for you might not be true for others. A balance would be good. If everyone we're to agree with what every other person said, it would be boring as well, on the other hand, avoid arguments and unnecesary fights as well.

Btw, I have a 1 1/2 year old Dobermann named Anjali. You can view her pics here. I also have 3 other dogs, a min pinch, dachshund and silky terrier mix. You can view their pics at the link below. My dob loves to jo jungle trekking (about once a week) and to pd beach (every few months once). Everyday walks and/or exercise and socialising the dog is important the dogs development as well. She is not too friendly and is a very good guard dog. We'll behaved and trained by me personally. Pretty good around other dogs and people as well, provided I am there to supervise.

That's it for now. Would love to hear from all you Dobermann enthusiast and owners. Hope to catch up with you all personally sometime, jungle trekking?

Cheers, Surind.

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leecy
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Sep 13, 2005, 5:01 PM

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surind

my grandmother used to have 2 dobermanns, so i got good memory abt them.






Regards,

Yang


PSY
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Sep 14, 2005, 7:31 PM

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Hi Surind,

Great to see your thread do hope this thread will turn out to be informative as there is so much to learn about the breed. As for me, exposing a dob pup early to things and people do help. My little three year niece can actually take my Dob, 18 months old, for walks at heel position, not once pulling or dragging her and I am not holding my nieces hand either. Oh, just in case anyone else reading this may conclude that I am putting a little girl in danger, the little girl is just lightly holding the leash, so if the dog do decide to bolt off, the leash would just slip out of her hand, so please do not go down that road.

Anyway, nice to know you Surind.


leecy
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Sep 14, 2005, 7:48 PM

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surind

hmm.. seems not many ppl own doberman? Smile






Regards,

Yang


colinchin
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Sep 17, 2005, 7:42 PM

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Hi Surind,

Great to see your thread do hope this thread will turn out to be informative as there is so much to learn about the breed. As for me, exposing a dob pup early to things and people do help. My little three year niece can actually take my Dob, 18 months old, for walks at heel position, not once pulling or dragging her and I am not holding my nieces hand either. Oh, just in case anyone else reading this may conclude that I am putting a little girl in danger, the little girl is just lightly holding the leash, so if the dog do decide to bolt off, the leash would just slip out of her hand, so please do not go down that road.

Nice of you to share about your Dobie, PSY. How can I keep in contact with you ? Cheers.



surind
Dog Kichi

Sep 17, 2005, 8:21 PM

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Hi Leecy, nice to meet you.

Do you have any old pics of the Dobermann's?

It would be nice if you could scan them and share with us. I like to see old pics (black and white) (brown and white) of big dogs.

Cheers,
Surind


surind
Dog Kichi

Sep 17, 2005, 8:33 PM

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Hi PSY,

Nice to meet you. Frown

Yup, agree with you. Expossing a Dobermann early is key...to so many things later on.

I have been taking my Dobermann around since after she got all her jabs and expossing her to all different sights, sounds, people, places, animals, weathers and smells (important for the dogs).

My dob is pretty good with kids that come to the house and those that she meets outside whom are not afraid. However sometimes she can be a little intimidating, even to adults, as she sometimes likes to smell their faces, give kisses and give them a nudge. They dont know their own strenghts and are just big babbies lah. Very curious. Must know everything that goes on in the house.

So no suprise that when I am at home, most of the time, the dob is inside. If not, she is on the side, a special place I have build for my three dogs. Complete with fan, musquito guard at night, lights, tiles and comfortable breezy ambience for the dogs to rest and sleep.

However sometimes if I am in and she is at the side, she will whine and howl and cry. Begging me to let her in. A bit too spoilt lah. That is my fault. It is very easy to spoil this breed, any Doberman owner will testify to that.

Your dob seems to be good on the leash. I would not take that chance with a small girl if I had one. But with a teen, no prob. My younger cousin about 13 years old can walk her and she walks nicely on the side. Trained not to go too in front or lag behind and go for the grass unless I say "ok" or "go". If she pulls too much in front I just stop and she immediately backs up. Knowing she has made a mistake. If not sometimes I just tug the chooker, or just say, "back" and she will immediately back up.

With 4 dogs in the house, I have to be the alpha male and the leader of the pack. Also make sure the dogs know their place in the family. Ultimately no matter how cute, innocent, cudly, adorable and human like a dog may seem, it is still a dog and a pack animal. Give it a inch and it will take a yard. So balance in training, handling, love and discipline is very important.

Cheers and see you soon. You want to catch up someday for a jungle trek or at a park somewhere? There is one near my house that allows dogs, but they have to be on the leash. Bring your dob. Im trying to create a Dobermann group and a network.

Cheers,
Surind


surind
Dog Kichi

Sep 17, 2005, 8:50 PM

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dobermann owners have been slowly increasing as of late. which is good and bad. I wouldn't like to see inbreeding and bad temperament issue happening mainly.

i also think that many dobermann owners are not aware of the outlets and places they can go to share and in general have a good time with their dog. some also, are afraid.

FEAR = False Expectations Appearing Real

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We'll its our job to raise the level of awareness and educate and share and of course love as well.

"Be the change you want to see in the world" - Ghandi

See you around.

What dogs do you have. Share with us a little about yourself.


surind
Dog Kichi

Sep 17, 2005, 8:59 PM

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Hi Collin Frown

No problem. How many dogs do you have and how old are they?

Do you have any pics of your dogs/you up?

You can contact me on my yahoo email address

surindraj@yahoo.ocm

however please do not give my email address to anyone.

See you around Frown
Surind


surind
Dog Kichi

Sep 17, 2005, 9:24 PM

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NOTICE!

Just to let everyone know that Dobermann's are recognised in Malaysia under the working group. So I have posted this thread in the wrong group. Have let the moderators know and requested the whole thread with all its messages be moved to the working group area. If they can't to just delete the group and we can start a new there. So wait for a little while before you start posting and if you notice this thread is missing. Check under the working group. Also, I suggest to all who read this, if you know of any Dobermann enthusiast and owners to inform them about this thread and the vision to create a network of responsible Dobermann owners in Malaysia.

Cheers,
Surind


surind
Dog Kichi

Sep 17, 2005, 9:33 PM

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Found this interesting information in the only dog book I have at home. Cheers, Surind.

Working Dogs (including spitz-types and pastoral dogs such as sheepdogs and flock-guarders)

Doberman

height: large (25.5-27 ins; 65-68.5cm)

breed needs: Early socialization is vital for this intelligent, hard-working breed. They can be clownish and playful if bred and raised in the right manner, nervous and aggressive if not.

hereditary problems: Eye testing for parents and puppies recommended.

Lean and muscular, the Doberman is elegant and sleek. Always black and tan, with a smooth coat, this dog was bred in Germany to guard the home. Cropped ears and a docked tail used to be the order of the day. Fortunately, such practises are becoming less and less common.


PSY
K9 Kaki


Sep 18, 2005, 7:19 AM

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Hi Colinchin,

I can be reach at


colinchin
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Sep 19, 2005, 6:37 PM

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Hi Colinchin,

I can be reach at



Hi PSY,

Huh ? Think you've an uncomplete sentence.


colinchin
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Sep 19, 2005, 6:55 PM

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Hi Collin

No problem. How many dogs do you have and how old are they?

Do you have any pics of your dogs/you up?

You can contact me on my yahoo email address

surindraj@yahoo.ocm

however please do not give my email address to anyone.

See you around
Surind Hi Surind, Nice of you to share. I have had a few dogs before. Currently, looking and searching around for a dog to own. Looking for more information actually. Cheers.



PSY
K9 Kaki


Sep 19, 2005, 8:47 PM

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Hi Colinchin,

I did complete my sentence, just do not know why the puppy.com administrator decide to edit my reply, never seem to understand must be a suspicious nature.

Again I shall attempt to answer your question, I can be reach at



Do hope you manage to catch this one.


colinchin
Enthusiast


Sep 19, 2005, 11:08 PM

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Hi Colinchin,

I did complete my sentence, just do not know why the puppy.com administrator decide to edit my reply, never seem to understand must be a suspicious nature.

Again I shall attempt to answer your question, I can be reach at



Do hope you manage to catch this one. Oh dear. PSY, part of your post got deleted again, I think. How huh ?



Oh dear. PSY, part of your post got deleted again, I think. How huh ?


(This post was edited by colinchin on Sep 19, 2005, 11:11 PM)


PSY
K9 Kaki


Sep 20, 2005, 5:05 AM

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Hi,

I have no idea, I do not even know the admin people personally, it is either a suspicious mind as mentioned before or guilty conscience. Anyway, or 019 231-1032


(This post was edited by PSY on Sep 20, 2005, 6:04 AM)


PSY
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Sep 22, 2005, 8:21 PM

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Hi Colin,

Our earlier conversation was cut short, may I have your mobile?


colinchin
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Sep 22, 2005, 8:26 PM

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Hi PSY,

012-2585460, or 07-2233580 (prefer you call this no.) for the time being unless it is after 8.30pm. Cheers.


RealityDreamer
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Sep 22, 2005, 11:05 PM

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Hi everyone,

Glad to hv found this thread but I did not know they were registered under the utility group in the NZ kennel club.

I hv a dobermann too. She's a liver & tan tiny dobie (undersized).I adopted her when she was 2 yrs old. She is unfortunately a very nervous dog & I'm doing all I can to help her. It's been almost 2 yrs since I hv her & she's doing much better now.

I do not know much of her history as she was left with the vet & it was his responsibility to find a home for her.

How I wish she had solid nerves as her prey drive is desirable for sports!
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RealityDreamer
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Sep 22, 2005, 11:12 PM

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Hi Surind,
not sure if u remember but we spoke a while ago.
anyway,here is a black & white picture for u. I too like old pictures of dogs. He is one of my favourite dobes-Ali von Langenhorst. Very influential guy .
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RealityDreamer
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Sep 22, 2005, 11:16 PM

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here's another pic.. Smile
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colinchin
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Sep 22, 2005, 11:37 PM

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Look at those old photos. The Dobies then were truly working dogs as per its original intent and purposes. Sad to say today it is hard to find a true working gene around.


colinchin
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Sep 24, 2005, 12:24 AM

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Hi PSY,

Thanks for your suggestions last night.

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