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Does it matter if d puppy's parents r old?







michellechen
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Jun 22, 2005, 8:43 AM

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I was told by sum breeders tht if d litter was d 1st few batches born, they r mor healthy... Thus if d puppy's parents r quite old, does it means tht d puppies r not so healthy?

Also, I bliv tht d environment wher d puppy grow up is also important, rite? Then, does it matter if d breeder (or sum1 at home) is a smoker?
-michelle-


JoeSmith
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Jun 22, 2005, 8:03 PM

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The first litter is normally bigger because the bitch is young strong and healthy. If the breeder would give this female dog a break and not mate her immediately again then the second litter will be as good as the first one.



Environment is certainly very important. It should be clean, with lots of social interaction, love and care. We recommend to purchase the puppy from a breeder and not a pet shop, because in the pet shop you will neither see the parents (behavioral problems) nor the whole litter and the way they growing up.



If the breeder is a smoker then he might have a health risk in HIS life. It would be a health risk for the puppies when he is sitting around the puppies 24/7 and smoking all the while.


michellechen
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Jun 23, 2005, 1:18 AM

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Thx 4 d info...

I'v currently seen a shih tzu puppy fr a home breeder which is a smoker. I dunno how often he smokes near d puppy but he did smoke in front of me wen I'm viewin d puppy. I actually quite like d puppy, it's cute but it seems weak, mayb it's bcoz it's only 5wks old.

He told me tht ther was another puppy in d litter, but din survive n died, now only left 1 male n 1 female... D male is quite mini, so dunno if d size will affect its health. I saw sum post here statin tht smaller shih tzu tends d b less healthy...

D parents of d puppy r both 5-6 yrs old already...

Dunno if I should get this puppy ler...
-michelle-


Sydney
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Jun 24, 2005, 1:34 AM

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It depends on the parents of the puppies. If the parents are old, then the puppy may not be active much. It also depends on the parents health. If the parents are healthy, then the puppies can have a good life

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crazymouse_yyh
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Jun 24, 2005, 4:20 AM

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The parents of the dog is not a problem. My boxer's father was 11 year old when and my boxer is very strong and has an active personality. It's actually how the breeder breeds them. If the parents are not paired up by quality and health, the puppies would most likely be unhealty or low quality. A shih tzu, just make sure that both parents of the pup looks healthy and they have perfect clear eyes. If not ah, your future pup may have problems. Don't trust people who say it's mini sixe. A shih tzu shouldn't be too small, if too small ah.. well, more health problems will come your way.


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michellechen
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Jun 24, 2005, 11:55 AM

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If the parents are old, then the puppy may not be active much.
 How old only is considered old..?
-michelle-


michellechen
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Jun 24, 2005, 11:57 AM

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A shih tzu, just make sure that both parents of the pup looks healthy and they have perfect clear eyes. If not ah, your future pup may have problems. Don't trust people who say it's mini sixe. A shih tzu shouldn't be too small, if too small ah.. well, more health problems will come your way.

But I dunno how 2 c if d parents got clear eyes or not ler... Unsure

How small is 2 small? D 1 I saw is like d size of a lil kitten n it's 5wks old...
-michelle-


kitconnie78
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Jun 24, 2005, 5:36 PM

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A dog is consider old after 5 years of age. Usually a good breeder will not breed the dog after 5 years of age. As for eyes, just look into the black retina to make sure the colour is dark black not like a little grey then should be some problem. Some old dogs have problem with their eyes.

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JoeSmith
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Jun 24, 2005, 7:13 PM

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Actually, the parent’s age is not this important. The health and breeding conditions are.
What sounds a little disturbing is the fact on the small size of the litter and that one pup died. It is very often an indication that the conditions were not that good.

Think carefully. If you like the pup and you are willing (and can afford it) to care for a less healthy dog, then by all means – take the puppy.
If you plan to show your dog or have a tied budget then turn around, run away, and look somewhere else instead.


PSY
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Jun 24, 2005, 8:51 PM

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Hi,

Just to let you know, I do agree with Joe's view on this matter, however the enviromental aspect, a friend of mine who is a GR breeder, got his first GR which looks like "dog from Hell", the vets whom he consulted more or less has the same opinion of the pup that it will show well. This owner, a wee bit over the top and loves his dogs like there is no tomorrow, brought this pup, showed him and the dog was GR of the year 2004.

Again, how much are you willing to put into the dog?

On that note, go else where, well at least make an option for yourself and search elsehwere then you can compare.

Good luck.


JoeSmith
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Jun 24, 2005, 9:09 PM

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Yeah, considering your point on the importance of proper and dedicated ownership, but it takes more then a few Ringgit and a few hours. Not many are willing to go the extra mile as your friend did.


michellechen
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Jun 25, 2005, 12:48 AM

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Ok, thx 4 d tips... Wink D next time I c a puppy's parents, I'l check 4 tht...

So 5 yrs is considered old... Coz I wonder by tht age, d mother of d puppy wil stil hav milk 4 d puppy or not... Tongue I heard tht if d puppy is btl fed, it is not as good...
-michelle-


michellechen
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Jun 25, 2005, 12:56 AM

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What sounds a little disturbing is the fact on the small size of the litter and that one pup died. It is very often an indication that the conditions were not that good.

Think carefully. If you like the pup and you are willing (and can afford it) to care for a less healthy dog, then by all means – take the puppy.
If you plan to show your dog or have a tied budget then turn around, run away, and look somewhere else instead.

Yea, wen I heard tht 1 of d puppy in d litter died, I also wonder how healthy d rest would b... But since I'm not experienced with dogs, I dunno if this will affect tht. I really appreciate d breeder's honesty as he can choose 2 hide this fact but did not. D way he says it so casually actually made me wonder if tht is not such a big deal, tht it actually do not proof how healthy d rest of d litter r... Tht's y I'm confused...

It is not only d budget tht hav 2 b considered. It's d emotional stress tht I dun think I can take. As I said earlier, I'm a 1st time pet owner (if I get this puppy)n inexperienced. Thus, if anythin happen 2 my puppy, I dunno if I wil dare 2 own anymor pets as I'm so much 2 b blamed 4 anythin tht happen 2 d puppy... Unsure
-michelle-


michellechen
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Jun 25, 2005, 1:04 AM

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Again, how much are you willing to put into the dog?
 Great 2 hear tht ur fren's effort pays off... Congrats... I'm actually willin 2 put lots of efforts in2 my puppy but I do not knw if I can handle his health problems (if he really has...) I juz dun hope tht he suffers bcoz of me bein inexperience... Unsure I guess I better look around summor...
-michelle-


PSY
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Jun 25, 2005, 2:22 AM

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You sound very keen on this pup, if so ask the present owner if you can send the pup to your own vet and then decide from there and say you are willing to pay the consultation fee even if you do not want it, then :

1. You can note how confident he has in his pup

Do note it must be your vet not his.

As mentioned by you look else where. It is advisable to be patience.

I waited 3 years for my Weimer and two years for my Dob, there you go.


crazymouse_yyh
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Jun 25, 2005, 2:27 AM

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Ah, looks like many already answered your questions. Anyway, young dogs are best parent dogs considered to old dogs. A male can be of any age, it's the female dog that cannot be too old. Normally people retire female dogs around 5 years old. Older females can have difficult pregnancies and less puppies, some maybe be too small. Like mice, I once had a accident pregnancy with a mouse older than 1 year, she gave birth, all the babies died coz the mother had no strength and the babies were born too early. So it is important for you to find a good breeding pair and a responsible breeder. A good breeder will answer all your questions, take all your calls and keep in touch with you after you take the puppy.


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


michellechen
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Jun 25, 2005, 11:37 AM

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Yea, I guess, tht's wht I'l do... Crazy

Wow, u'v actually waited for 2-3yrs..??! Gosh...Shocked
-michelle-


michellechen
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Jun 25, 2005, 11:41 AM

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Yea, thx 2 all d helpful members here, I guess I can roughly get d idea... Nevertheless, thx 4 takin d time 2 reply me... Wink

Learn so much fr this forum...
-michelle-


crazymouse_yyh
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Jun 26, 2005, 2:39 AM

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No problem! Always free to help hehehe....


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


kitconnie78
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Jun 27, 2005, 4:57 PM

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You are welcome for the tips Laugh

Normally no matter how old is your dog still have milk but the puppy might not be as healthy.

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michellechen
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Jun 28, 2005, 11:25 AM

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Sum1 told me tht sum female dogs if 2 old or not healthy enuf wil not produce enuf milk 4 d puppies n d puppies wil hav 2 b bottle-fed... Of course btl fed is not as good as d mummy's milk ler...
-michelle-


kitconnie78
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Jun 28, 2005, 5:08 PM

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That is true. The mother's milk contain antibodi that keeps the puppy healthy.

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Sydney
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Jul 4, 2005, 3:47 AM

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You have kitconnie78 for help. You can get more in fo on her. old is more than 5 years+.

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