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APPK
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Jun 7, 2005, 11:33 AM

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HI EVERYBODY,NICE TO HEAR THAT THERES STILL A LOT OF PITBULL FANCIERS AROUND.I AM EDDIE FROM PENANG AND I HAVE BEEN INTO THESE GAMEDOGS SINCE 1986 TILL NOW.3 YEARS AGO, I STILL HAVE AROUND 58 DOGS IN MY YARD BUT I HAVE CUT DOWN TO ONLY 6 OF SOME OF MY BEST DOGS WITH ME RIGHT NOW.THE REASON IS THAT MALAYSIA IS NO MORE THAT ACTIVE ANYMORE AND I HAVE SHIFTED MY DOGS PARTLY TO THAILAND AND PHILLIPINES.UP TO DATE,ME AND MY PARTNER HAVE AROUND 96 DOGS IN THAILAND AND 8 IN THE PHILLIPINES.WELL,HERE I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THIS BREED SINCE I AM QUALIFIED TO DO SO,I HOPE.FIRST OF ALL,I WOULD NOT COMMENT ANYTHING ON CRUELTIES IN FIGHTING THIS BREED AS I HAVE TO RESPECT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS' POINT OF VIEW,BUT I AM REALLY AGAINST PROMOTING DOGFIGHTING OVER ANY FORUMS(REFERRING TO MR.TOOK FOOK),THE REASON IS THAT YOU WILL CAUSE THE AUTHORITIES TO TIGHTEN THIS BREED DOWN AND FINALLY BAN THIS FINE BREED.THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE STATES NOW,EVERY DOGFIGHTERS BRAG AND SUMMITED THEIR FIGHTS RESULTS TO FIGHTING DOGS MAGAZINES ABOUT HOW GOOD AND HOW BAD THEIR CHAMPIONS ARE.DONT YOU THINK THIS IS SILLY?FANCY HAVING COCAIN IN YOUR POCKET AND SHOUTING DOWN THE STREETS COCAIN FOR SALE!!! COCAIN FOR SALE!!! CHEAP!!!.THIS BREED IS BANNED FROM US IMPORTING SINCE 1988 FEBRUARY AND IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW BREEDING OR OWNING A APBT SO PLEASE DONT LET IT HAPPEN.ON ANOTHER POINT,(AN AKITA BEING PUT TO A MATCH WITH A APBT)THIS IS CRUELTY!!!IT IS WORSE THAN A NOVICE TO DO THAT.AN AKITA IS A FIGHTING BREED BUT AN APBT IS A FIGHTING MACHINE AND IT WILL ONLY NEED AN APBT TO FINISH HIS JOB IN LESS THAN 5 MINUTES!I HAVE WITNESSED A MATCH BETWEEN 2 APBTS IN THE STATES WHICH WENT OVER THE 3 HOUR AND 35 MINUTES MARK!NO DOUBT THAT THE APBT IS SUPERIOR BUT AN APBT IS ONLY MEANT FOR ANOTHER APBT FOR A SERIOUS DOGMANS POINT OF VIEW.ABOUT MIX BREEDS MAKES A BETTER HUNTING DOGS?HOW DO YOU PRODUCE A BETTER HUNTING DOG BY OUTCROSSING THE APBT WITH OTHER BREEDS?YOU ARE NOT IMPROVING THE BREEDING PROGRAMME YOU ARE DEMOTING IT.APBTS IN HUNTING SPORTS IN THE STATES ARE HELD EVERY MONTH AND WHO SAYS APBTS DONT DO A BETTER JOB THAN A MIX BREED IN HUNTING DOWN BOARS OR ETC.ABOUT INBREEDINGS AND OUTCROSSINGS,WHY BOTHER TO IN OR OUT BETWEEN MIXBREEDS?ARE YOU GOING TO STATE THAT THIS A REAL GOOD 1/4 APBT 1/4BOXER 1/4 TERRIER DOG AND I AM GOING TO BREED HIM TO A 1/4APBT 1/4ROTTIE 1/4 BOXER AND I AM GOING TO BREED IT BACK TO FRONT THEN FORTH AND IT WILL TURN OUT A REAL GOOD MIXBREED!FORGET THE OUTCROSSING(WASTE OF TIME),INBREEDINGS AND OUTCROSSINGS ARE ONLY MEANT FOR THE SAME BREED BUT DIFFERENT BLOODLINES FOR SERIOUS DOGMEN AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE BLOODLINES TO PRODUCE QUALITY OF INBREEDINGS AND OUTCROSSINGS.IN MIXBREEDS,ITS CALLED MIXING TO BE EXACT.ABOUT AST AND APBT,IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO BUY A AST THEN GO FOR A CERTIFIED ONE AND NOT WITHOUT.DONT MENTION THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIZES OR SHAPES,ITS HARD TO TELL SO WHY NOT MAKE SURE.JUST A TIP,YOU CAN GET REAL GOOD AST IN BANGKOK,THAILAND.ANYWAY,WE DONT SEPARATE APBTS IN FIGHTS WITH AN ELECTROCUTOR AS MENTIONED BY SOMEONE,WE USE BREAKING STICKS.BREAKING STICKS ARE LIKE OUR TRADITIONAL DURIAN OPENERS WHICH WE INSERT 2 INCHES BEHIND THE FANGS AND PRY OPEN,IT TAKES ME 5 SECONDS.HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR AN APBT TO SUFFER AN ELECTROCUTOR?THATS CRUELTY!WELL ,SEE YOU GUYS SOON.I AM JUST SHEDDING SOME LIGHTS OVER SOME TOPICS UNANSWERED,THATS ALL.NO HARD FEELINGS OK!


Jack_MBT
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Jun 7, 2005, 9:43 PM

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Hi APPK,



wow to know APBT guru from the forum is precious. Really would like to watch the dog fight one day...Angelic seen this in a secluded area many years ago.
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Kevin Chuan
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Jun 7, 2005, 11:15 PM

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Hi Eddie Phoon,

This is Kevin Chuan, nice to see you here and that was a fantastic write-up you have posted. I'm still looking for a male AST, please let me know if you have any...

Did you sold your APBT to a guy name Mr. Chew in BM? He claims that the APBT he has now are from yours.

Have a great day...


glng675
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Jun 8, 2005, 12:39 AM

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Eddie ShiFu,

I like this word "AN AKITA IS A FIGHTING BREED BUT AN APBT IS A FIGHTING MACHINE"



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APPK
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Jun 8, 2005, 9:48 AM

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HI,THIS IS ME ,ED FROM PENANG AGAIN.NICE TO HEAR THAT ITS ACTUALLY YOU,KEVIN CHUAN.ITS JUST THAT I USED TO KEEP KNOWLEDGE ON THIS FINE BREED TO MYSELF AND NOW I AM GOING TO SHARE EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW,THATS ALL.I LL LET U KNOW IF I GET TO COME ACROSS A GOOD AST,OK.WELL,APPK STANDS FOR (ASEAN PIT PERFORMANCE KENNEL) AND WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO ANY PITBULL FANCIERS FOR OPINIONS AND DISCUSSION ON ALMOST ANYTHING CONCERNING THIS BREED.


Kevin Chuan
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Jun 8, 2005, 10:23 PM

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Hey Ed... You have just opened a Thai Restaurant right? One day should go and try out... GOT DISCOUNT or not..??? hehehe


RealityDreamer
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Jun 10, 2005, 8:58 AM

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Great post!

Thanks for taking the time to share. It is great 2 hv some1 experienced with the breed on board.

Just wondering...wht lines do u like to use to produce a great fighting dog?
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APPK
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Jun 10, 2005, 9:04 AM

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HI KEVIN,NO PROBLEMS ABOUT THE DISCOUNTS OK AND U R ALWAYS WELCOME.ABOUT THE PITBULL TERRIER IN B.M OWNED BY MR CHEW,I CAN'T RECALL HIM AND I AM NOT SURE.JUST TO SHARE...AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS ARE OFTEN MISTAKEN.WHAT ARE THE APBTS BRED FOR?APBTS ARE BUILT FOR THE CONFORMATION,GAMENESS,SPEED,AGILITY AND GOOD MOUTH.WHY LOOK FOR THESE TRAITS IF YOU ARE NOT A DOG FIGHTER?IT'S BECAUSE APBTS SHOULD BE BRED AND TO HAVE THESE TRAITS TO DIFFER ITSELF FROM OTHER BREEDS.THAT IS WHY IF YOU WANT TO HUNT FOR QUALITY APBTS,PETSHOPS ARE THE LAST RESOURCE THAT YOU LL GO TO.DO YOU KNOW WHY THE PITBULLS THAT PETSHOPS OR PUPPY PEDDLARS SELLS ARE NOT ACTUALLY APBTS?ALWAYS ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS-ASK THE SELLER WHAT ARE THE BLOODLINES?THEY WILL TELL YOU (FIGHTING DOG LAH!)ASK THEM HOW THEY RECONISE THESE DOGS AS APBTS?THEY WILL TELL YOU(AIYA,SEE ALSO KNOW LAH!)AND LAST OF ALL THEY WILL TELL YOU(MALE ONE RM250 AND FEMALE ONE RM150,CHEAP CHEAP!).FOR EXAMPLE,I AM INTO CH. CHINAMAN(R.O.M),BOYLES,HAMMERHEAD AND CH.JEEP BLOODLINES AND MY PUPS ARE SOLD AT RM 1800 TO RM 3800,MY IMPORTED PUPS ARE AT USD2500 AND MY IMPORTED ADULTS ARE FROM USD5000 TO USD12000.THAT IS WHAT I HAVE AND PRODUCE,APBTS AND QUALITY.TO ME THOSE UNKNOWN BREEDS ARE JUST STREET DOGS LOOKED LIKE PITBULLS SO NEVER NEVER GET SWIPE OF YOUR FOOT.SEE YA.


APPK
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Jun 10, 2005, 9:22 AM

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HI,THANKS FOR DROPPING IN .NO ILLEGAL PURPOSES BUT FOR KNOWLEDGE SHARING ONLY.PERSONALLY ,THERE IS NO CERTAIN BLOODLINES TO CREATE GOOD FIGHTING DOGS BUT FOR ME I WOULD PREFER ACTIVE BLOODLINES IN THE ARENA TODAY.WHY ?IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT JEEP/BULLYSON/REDBOY ETC BLOODLINES,THESE DOGS DIED EVEN BEFORE I WAS BORN, SO IN MALAYSIA,HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT ITS PURE?HAVE ANYONE KEPT TRACK ON HOW THE PEDIGREE GOES ON AND ON?I KEEP AND BREED CH.CHINAMAN BLOODLINES AND I GET THEM FROM TOM GARDNER,THE OWNER OF CH.CHINAMAN HIMSELF.I HAVE BOYLES BLOODLINES FROM DIMITRI(RUSSIA)HIMSELF AND THAT IS WHY I AM CONFIDENT IN MY BLOODLINES AS MY DOGS ARE A DIRECT 1st GENERATION SON OR DAUGHTERS/1st GENERATION GR.SON OR GR.DAUGHTERS.I WOULD PREFER ACTIVE AND WINNING BLOODLINES.


APPK
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Jun 10, 2005, 9:30 AM

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HI JACK,HOPE THT YOU WILL LIKE THIS NEW TOPICS.GET YOUR FRIENDS TO VISIT THIS FORUM BCAUSE I WILL ALWAYS B UPDATING THIS SITE SHARING ON TIPS ABOUT THIS BREED,THE AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER.


APPK
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Jun 10, 2005, 9:38 AM

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HI GING,YOU LIKE THE WORDS HA,WELL IT'S TRUE THAT ITS A CRUELTY TO MATCH ANY DOGS AGAINST AN APBT.AN APBT IS CREATED TO FIGHT AND ENDURE FIGHTS,MODIFIED TO FIGHT EVEN BETTER AND FASTER.


RealityDreamer
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Jun 19, 2005, 7:41 AM

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Hello APPK,

Thanks again for the reply. Wht r the other lines known for? B4 tht, I need some help with the pit fighting terms like gameness,mouth,wind,ability etc.. Blush or do u know of any website which can help me?
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vinkuan
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Jun 19, 2005, 8:48 AM

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i have zero knowledge in dog fighting, please enlighthen me a bit, i heard bull terrier is a good fighter too, if pittbull fight with bull terrier, who have more advantage in general? i know an asian can win a black but in genral, black is a better fighter, rite???????this is a question that i am tring to ask....

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ERN
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Jul 5, 2005, 6:22 PM

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Hi APPK

you last log in on 12 June 2005. after that lu shik Chong leow? why?

We are waiting for more post from you leh, to gain more knowledge.

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APPK
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Jul 7, 2005, 8:16 AM

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HI AGAIN,THESE TERMS GAMENESS,HARDMOUTH,WIND AND ABILITY ARE ONLY APPLIED TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THESE APBTS.GAMENESS FOR INSTANCE, MEANS THE WILL POWER IN THE INDIVIDUAL DOG ITSELF TO GO ON AND ON DESPITE EXHAUSTION NOR PAIN.HARDMOUTH-TERMS ON HOW GOOD THE INDIVIDUAL DOG PUT ITS WEIGHT ON IT'S HOLD BY BITING INTO SOMETHING.FOR EXAMPLE,SOME DOGS BITE INTO IT'S OPPONENT AND ONLY LEAVES SCRATCH MARKS,SOME LEAVE PUNCTURE HOLES,SOME BREAK EVEN BONES LIKE MATCHSTICKS,SOME TEARS OUT GUNSHOT WOUNDS FROM THE CHEST OF ITS OPPONENTS.IT HAS EVER BEEN MEASURED THE PRESSURE OF THE BITE OF A HARDBITING APBT,TO BE EXACT 68KG.THE WEIGHT PRESSURE IS NEARLY EQUIVALENT TO A BEAR TRAP.WIND-THE NATURAL STAMINA IN AN INDIVIDUAL DOG,IT TAKES GOOD CONDITIONING TO PUT A GOOD DOG IN SHAPE FOR A CONTEST.TO OVER CONDITION A DOG WILL PUT YOUR DOG IN A BIG RISK,AS YOUR DOG MIGHT COME IN MUSCULAR BUT LACK OF STAMINA IN LESS THAN 15 MINUTES IN ACTION.THERE ARE WELL CONDITIONED DOGS WHICH GOES OVER THE 3 TO 5 HOUR MARK.ABILITY-STYLE OF FIGHTING,SOME FIGHTERS ARE MORE TO DEFENSIVE STYLE,SOME ARE DESTROYERS AND SOME ARE GOOD DEFENSIVE DESTROYERS.HOPE THAT THESE INFORMATIONS ENLIGHTENED YOU ON THESE TERMS.


APPK
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Jul 7, 2005, 9:04 AM

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HI,GLAD THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THIS BREED.THE BULL TERRIER DOG IS A FIGHTING DOG,A BREED WHICH MAY EVEN FIGHT TO IT'S DEATH AND DISPLAYING DEEP GAMENESS.AN AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER IS A MODIFIED BREED AND A REFINED FIGHTER,CREATED TO TAKE PAIN,ENDURE EXHAUSTION AND BRED FOR TOUGH ACTIONS.APBTS ARE BRED FOR SPEED,HARD MOUTH,GOOD SIZE AND GAMENESS.LOOK NO FURTHER AS THERE ARE NO OTHER BREEDS WHICH COULD COME NEARER.FOR A BULLTERRIER TO FIGHT AGAINST AN APBT ,I WOULD TAKE IT AS CRUELTY.IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM FOR AN APBT TO FINISH OFF THE BULLTERRIER IN 5 MINUTES OR KILL IT IN LESS THAN 10.TO MATCH ANY OTHER BREEDS AGAINST THE APBTS IS CONSIDERED CRUELTY AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY SHOULD ANYONE PROVE THEIR APBTS BETTER IN THIS WAY.I HAVE HEARD SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE HIS AKITA AGAINST AN APBT IN A SMALL FIGHT,I DO NOT KNOW THE RESULT OF THE FIGHT BUT I DO GIVE A PITY ON THE POOR AKITA.'POOR DOGS,STUPID OWNERS'.AN APBT IS ONLY MEANT FOR ANOTHER APBT IN DOGMAN'S POINT OF VIEW.THANKS FOR SHARING!


APPK
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Jul 7, 2005, 9:11 AM

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HI ERN, SORRY CAUSE I HAVE BEEN REAL BUSY LATELY.SEND IN SOME QUESTIONS AND I WILL GET IT ANSWERED.I WILL ALWAYS KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED!


ERN
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Jul 7, 2005, 8:28 PM

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Hi Peng Yu

Really appreaciate you answer on the terms mentioned, really open my eye.

I have an AST, she is going to 5 months by next week. What kind training can I put on her at this age and whats next. I like those muscler one.

how to train her stamina? now I let her play with an adult mongrel, they play very rough, chasing, biting and pulling [she like to pull the collar on the mongrel] and it lasted 15 minutes, she got exhousted.

t.q.

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APPK
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Jul 8, 2005, 9:29 AM

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HI ERN,IT'S STILL TOO EARLY FOR ANY SERIOUS CONDITIONING,IT MIGHT EVEN RUIN YOUR PUP'S GROWING PROCESS.FOR A FIVE MONTH OLD PUP,THOSE EXERCISE YOU GIVE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH.PLAYING WITH OTHER DOGS WHILE GROWING WILL GIVE YOU A FRIENDLY FAMILY DOG WHICH SHOWS NO AGGRESSION AGAINST OTHER DOGS.FOR THE MOMENT, PUT YOUR PUP ON A MEAT DIET,CONCENTRATE ON CALCIUM AND VITAMIN E SUPPLEMENTS.START YOUR DOG ON CONDITIONING WHEN ITS AROUND 10 MTHS OLD,PUT HIM ON A 20 FOOT LEASH,START OUT BY ATTACHING A 2 KG CHAIN TO ITS COLLAR AND MAKE SURE THAT THE 2KG CHAIN DRAGS ON THE GROUND,ADD ON 1KG EVERY 1 MONTH(MAXIMUM 10 KG)LET HIM RUN ALONG FREELY ON THE 20FT LEASH.PURCHASE WHEY PROTEIN AND FEED IT 1 TABLESPOON DAILY EXCEPT REST DAYS.REST YOUR DOGS EVERY 3 DAYS TO AVOID OVER CONDITIONING.THESE WILL WIDEN THE DOGS SHOULDER AND STIFFLES.TO PACK ON MUSCLES ON THE HEAD,JAWS AND BACK LEGS PORTION-ATTACH A ROPE TIED TO A STRONG SPRING FROM A TREE,THEN TIE A GUNNY SACK TO THE END AND LET IT DANGLE.APBTS LOVE TO WORK OUT ON THIS GIMMICK AND THE SPRING PLAYS THE TUG-O-WAR TRICK.THE GUNNY SACK SHOULD BE 3FT ABOVE THE GROUND.HAPPY CONDITIONING!


kaerb
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Jul 8, 2005, 11:34 AM

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hi APPK,

i have read many articles from magazines/books and input from people about bringing a dog to it's peak. would it be ok to keep the dog at it's peak the whole year round or should it be rested occasionally? could you share with me which or what type of conditioning/keep to compliment the type of dog or just stick to a general one? to train for stamina, how do you do that without straining the dog to bring it to it's peak condition? as for the supplements, can you tell where to get them and the cost? it would be great to get input from a great dogman like you. i think that will be all for now, thanks in advance.


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Jack_MBT
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Jul 8, 2005, 7:29 PM

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APPK.

Oh yes I need help to strenghthen Panda's hind leg at almost 5 mnts old he seems like having this "cow hock" can this be corrected ???? I like the stance of my MBT strong and straight even when he is at 5 months old.

Is this natural ..???
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Kevin Chuan
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Jul 8, 2005, 10:40 PM

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Hey Edd,

Raymond mentioned to me about the weight pulling plan which you guys are planning now, he invited me to join you guys on this plan. And I do have interest too, ok my question is; APBT and AST which breed do you think are more suitable for this catagory? To me ( as I surf from nets), most people are using AST for weight pulling, example in USA and Thai, but they do matched the Big Head APBT with AST as well, in this case which will be the advantage side?

I have raised few questions in the international forum for AST and APBT, the game people told me that weight pulling is more to AST, but due to the breed confused between Big Head APBT and AST, sometimes they do accept them to be matched together! I do agreed that people involved in this game in Thailand used APBT (the Perf. Line), due to its winning drives that APBT had, but there are quite numbers of them using AST as well, I do came across a photo (will try to dig out to show you guys) a weight pulling contest; this photo shows an APBT (Perf. Pit) matched with a mascular AST, ok, well maybe their weight are the same, but do you think that this is a fair game?

Maybe you can call me or maybe to meet up to talk about the weight pulling plan!

THANKS AND BEST WISHES.


APPK
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Jul 9, 2005, 8:23 AM

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JACK, NO ,IT'S NOT NATURAL FOR PANDA TO HAVE COWHOCK LEGS EVEN AT THIS AGE.WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TO PUT ON WORKOUTS MORE ON THE HIND LEGS.WORK OUT ON A SPRING POLE,AS A PUP,IT WONT HURT A BIT.A SPRING POLE IS A STRONG SPRING ATTACHED TO A ROPE WITH SOMETHING AT THE END FOR THE DOG TO HOLD ON TO.THE BAIT SHOULD BE 2-3FT ABOVE THE GROUND AND THE BACK LEGS SHOULD ALWAYS STAY ON THE GROUND DURING WORKOUTS TO AVOID INJURIES.THIS WORK OUT WILL NOT OVERWORK YOUR DOG AS THERE IS NO FORCING PROCESS.THIS WORKOUT CONCENTRATES ON 80% WORKOUTS ON THE BACK LEGS.BACK LEGS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO PUT IN MIND,THEY ARE THE DRIVE TRAIN IN WHATEVER THEY DO PHISICALLY.GOOD LUCK!


APPK
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Jul 9, 2005, 9:12 AM

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KAERB, ITS NOT ADVISEABLE TO PUT YOUR DOG AT ITS PEAK ALL YEAR ROUND BUT YOU CAN KEEP HIM FIT WHOLE YEAR ROUND IF YOU WANT TO,IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUE.AT IT'S PEAK,YOU NEED CONDITIONING/TO MAINTAIN FITNESS,YOU GIVE THEM GENERAL EXERCISES.FOR ME,TO PEAK A DOG,I WOULD PREFER A 90 DAYS KEEP.WHY?30 DAYS FOR WARMING UP AND TRIMMING UP THE FAT AND TO GET READY FOR THE NEXT 60 DAYS ADVANCE CONDITIONING PROGRAMME.IF MY DOG IS COMPETING AT 40lbs AND PRESENTLY HE IS 50lbs,I WOULD PREFER TO PULL DOWN HIS WEIGHT 1lbs-2lbs ABOVE WEIGHT(41lbs -42lbs)IN THOSE FIRST 30 DAYS,HE WILL NEED AT LEAST THE NEXT 30 DAYS TO GET USE TO HIS WEIGHT.ABOUT THE KEEPS,ALL KEEPS I WILL TAKE IT AS A BASIC.HERE'S A SMALL TIP WITH WINNING POINTS.THIS IS A TREAD MILL KEEP-ALWAYS EMPTY OUT YOUR CANINE BEFORE PUTTING HIM UP A MILL,A FULL STOMACH CAUSES YOUR DOG TO RUN HOT FASTER,BLOOD REACHES THE HEART SLOWER AND BURNING OUT THE KIDNEYS.A 30MINUTE WALK BEFORE MILL WILL DO GOOD THEN START HIM OUT ON THE MILL FOR 5 MINUTES(1st RUN),WALK HIM FOR ANOTHER 30 MINUTES AND SEND HIM UP THE MILL AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 5 MINUTES(2cd RUN,)AFTER THAT,ANOTHER 30 MINUTES WALK BEFORE PUTTING HIM UP IN THE KENNEL.ALWAYS ADD ON 5 MINUTES EVERY WEEKST LIKE US TILL YOU REACH 35 MINUTES FOR EACH RUN,MEANS 70 MINUTES MAXIMUM.YOU CAN NEVER PUT A DOG MORE THAN 35MINS IN ONE RUN BUT YOU CAN DO 70 IN TWO SEPARATE RUNS.IMPORTANT,ALWAYS WALK YOUR DOG AFTER EVERY RUN.WHEN YOU PUT HIM ON THE MILL,YOU ARE STRESSING HIM OUT AND YOU NEED WALKING FOR RECOVERY.THE SECRET IS RECOVERY AND THE MORE YOU WALK YOUR DOG,THE BETTER IT IS.REST YOUR DOG 2 DAYS BEFORE A SHOW.IF YOUR SHOW IS AT 7AM THEN YOUR WORKOUT TIME SHOULD BE 7AM BECAUSE CANINES ARE HABITUAL CREATURES JUST LIKE US.SUPPLEMENTS-I ONLY GET THE BEST FOR MY CONDITIONING PROGRAMME,I STICK TO GNC PRODUCTS.I USE WHEY PROTEINS,L-CARNITINE,CREATINE MONOHYDRATE AND SO ON.HOPE I ENLIGHTENED YOU ON SOME POINTS ON CONDITIONING.YOU ARE WELCOME TO SEND ME ANY QUESTIONS,IN THIS WAY WE CAN SHARE WITH ALL THE READERS.BYE


kaerb
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Jul 9, 2005, 11:21 AM

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thanks for the fast reply on conditioning, i have so many questions to ask. firstly, i would like to ask you how do you determine a dog's pit weight? from mags, they say trim the dog till it reach the weight that it loses strength. is that true? how do you do that, decrease food or increase workload 1st?

and as for the mill conditioning, if the dog is foaming should we stop the conditioning or just keep to the duration of the stress work? while walking the dog in between runs, should we water the dog? should we take the pulse of the dog during workouts and how do we do that or it's not important?

sorry for all the irritating questions of a newbie bcos there isnt many people you can learn from abt conditioning and dog selection. i hope you would continue to share your knowledge.

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