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When should I spay my dog?







jimin
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Nov 5, 2004, 4:20 AM

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Hi, I have a female Labrador and I am planning to spay her. When exactly is the best time to spay? Some say to do it before she gets her first period and some say after her first period. I am confused. Anyone can help me?

Jimin.


kelsey
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Nov 5, 2004, 9:49 PM

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u can spay her anytime so long she is in good health condition. remember, the bigger the dog, the more expensive it would be.

there is no side effects of spaying at a young age, just make sure she is healthy.


jimin
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Nov 6, 2004, 4:44 AM

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Thanks for your answer. I think I'll spay her just before she gets her period. Can you tell me when is that exactly?


surchinmy
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Nov 6, 2004, 8:31 AM

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Hi ...

Your Labrador will probably get her first heat sometime between her 9th and 11th month ... some dogs get it earlier and others a little later ... It's hard to be more exact than that ...

As for when is the best time to spay ... hmmm ... I would personally wait until after the first heat to spay ... the rationale being that I'd like the bitch to be fully mature before removing any organ ...

Cheers


(This post was edited by surchinmy on Nov 6, 2004, 8:38 AM)


Liz Tay
Dog Kichi

Nov 6, 2004, 5:34 PM

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Re: [surchinmy] When should I spay my dog? [In reply to] Can't Post

Just to add another point of view, according to more recent ideas about when to spay, in the UK at least, vets generally now consider it best to operate just BEFORE the first heat.

The reason is that, apart from preventing unwanted pregnancies and complications like pyometra - womb infection - and phantom pregnancy behaviour, there are also other health benefits for a spayed bitch, including making them much less likely to get mammary tumors later in life. However it seems that benefit is only if your bitch has never gone through even one period - otherwise that cancer protection benefit is lost. The same goes for spaying cats.

Obviously it isn't easy to gauge exactly when the first heat will be but this would be one reason to aim for earlier rather than later. Hope that helps!

Liz




(This post was edited by Liz Tay on Nov 6, 2004, 5:37 PM)


surchinmy
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Nov 6, 2004, 6:53 PM

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Hi ...

Good to hear from you ... Smile ... And your point is taken ...

Cheers


jimin
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Nov 7, 2004, 6:55 AM

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Thanks for the info... :)
Also, I'd like to know if there will be ANY differences at all in her behaviour after I have spayed her?
Does it make a difference to her behaviour if I spay her before her first period and after?


jimin
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Nov 7, 2004, 7:00 AM

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Liz, thanks for pointing out about the health benefits. I also have read it in books.

But how will i know when her first period will come? And when is it not too early to spay her? at 6 months?

Will there be any changes in her behaviour?

Thanks.


surchinmy
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Nov 7, 2004, 8:38 AM

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Hi ...

The behaviour/personality/temperament of our female dogs remained very much the same after spaying ... In fact, if at all - we think they are less stressed ... no more hormonal fluctuations, no more false pregnancies ... Smile ...

Unless you have a dog with pedigree that is good enough to breed (and intend to take breed seriously) ... and you are also quite sure you can find good homes for all the babies ... it may always be best to neuter or spay ...

We have a pair of Rhodesian Ridgebacks ... from very good bloodlines, whom we had hoped to breed ... But in the end, we decided:

(a) We enjoy being with our dogs far more than we enjoy dog-showing ... (b) We would have great difficulty giving up the pups & we certainly cannot keep all of them ... Crazy ... and (c) it would be difficult finding enough good homes for pups, who will eventually grow into large dogs ...

So, after 3 years of pondering ... we spayed our female RRidgeback last month ...

Cheers


Liz Tay
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Nov 7, 2004, 7:23 PM

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But how will i know when her first period will come?

Now there's a tough one (and I'm no expert). Basically there's a huge range of normal from 6 months to almost 2 years (for some big breeds) but most are usually closer to the one year mark. Then you need to try to avoid the bitch being on heat, already pregnant or even in phantom pregnancy as the excess bleeding at those times makes the surgery messier, more difficult and usually costlier too. Plus you want to make the procedure as hassle-free as possible for your pet of course.

And when is it not too early to spay her? at 6 months?

In animal shelters it is generally recommended that 6-9 months is fine and some do neutering even earlier with supposedly good results. But really the best thing is for you to consult the best vet you can and get a more educated guess about your particular dog's stage of maturity.

Will there be any changes in her behaviour?

I think Surchinmy already mentioned this. I've found my own bitches to be more settled and confident since spaying, but still very vocal guards of their territory.

Sorry not to be of more help

Liz


jimin
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Nov 8, 2004, 7:48 AM

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Liz and surchinmy,

Thanks so much for your help in educating me!

Liz, can i ask you, did you spay yr dog before or after her first period?

From what you have said, spaying her means her behaviour is more settled and confident... that is very good.

My friend told me it is better to spay her after her first period, becos only then she has fully matured in behaviour as opposed to spaying before the first period where she might still be playful in behaviour.
Is there any truth to this??

Also, i've never had a bitch before so here comes the question. What is a phantom pregnancy?

Cheers, Jimin.


Liz Tay
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Nov 8, 2004, 9:23 AM

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Hi Jimin

Actually I have to say that both my older two bitches were spayed later in life. Our third, a PAWS pup, is still very young but I plan to spay her prior to her first heat if I can manage to make that educated guess at the right time!

Getting the timing right will also depend on how sure you are that your bitch is totally secure from males as unexpected and unwanted pregnancy after the first heat is a lousy way to find out that your bitch has matured!

Going from experience with rescue dogs I'd say that the playfulness is not really the issue, more the physical maturity. Although bitches can be spayed at much younger ages most people, like surchinmy said, still prefer to let their dog be more fully grown first. Spaying does affect your dog's metabolism so it is important to feed a bit less and/or exercise a bit more to make sure weight does not get out of control after the op.

I mentioned about the problem of mammary tumours in unspayed bitches and managed to find a few numbers on it. (Ref. Book of the Bitch, by Evans and White -great title, eh?!) It says research shows approx 75% of unspayed bitches eventually develop them if they go through normal oestrus cycles. (About 40% of these are malignant and can spread to lymph nodes and lungs, so it’s no small problem). The occurrence in bitches spayed BEFORE their first heat goes down to a tiny 1%, AFTER their first heat but before the second – 10%, after the third heat – 25%. So you can see the benefits of the early spaying are really huge in this health area at least.

As for false or phantom pregnancy - it is quite common for an entire (unspayed) bitch to go through a false pregnancy if she is unmated or failed to conceive. She goes through the hormonal changes as for a normal pregnancy, even producing milk and guarding her 'litter' (they often take toys etc into a 'nest'). The bitch can get quite nervous, panting and even nippy with other pets and people as she feels and believes she has to guard her 'pups'. Once a bitch goes through this once it is more likely that she will do so after every heat and signs may well get more severe each time. In the wild or in breeding kennels this bitch could nurse another bitch's pups if she dies, but obviously in a house pet there is no such benefit. If it happens, then spaying will stop the trend and the same bitch will not exhibit the behaviour again.

I found this out the hard way when our phantom-pregnant bitch dug out a nest in the garden (complete with ‘pups’ – dog and cat toys and even a dead tree shrew) and attacked our other bitch, who she’d lived happily with all her life… Fortunately Lucky’s ear was stitched up as good as new but it was traumatic for everybody. Boy, did I feel guilty for leaving her unspayed so long…

Liz






jimin
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Nov 9, 2004, 12:30 AM

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Re: [Liz Tay] When should I spay my dog? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks so much Liz.. boy there's a lot to this isn't it...

I think I'll wait as long as i can before I spay her even if its after her first period.. like you said, better to have her fully matured first..

BTW, I was at gasing yesterday to watch the classes, its pretty cool.. Angel of course was barking at all the other dogs coz she wanted to play... i really need to learn how to teach her to ignore them man...

CHeers,,


surchinmy
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Nov 11, 2004, 7:56 AM

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Hi Jimin & Liz ...

Just some thoughts ...

Liz wrote: " ... Going from experience with rescue dogs I'd say that the playfulness is not really the issue, more the physical maturity. Although bitches can be spayed at much younger ages most people, like surchinmy said, still prefer to let their dog be more fully grown first. Spaying does affect your dog's metabolism so it is important to feed a bit less and/or exercise a bit more to make sure weight does not get out of control after the op ..."

My personal preference for waiting until after the first heat is indeed because of the issue of maturity ... And Liz is correct, my primary concern is physical maturity ...

When I made my first post, I was brief - probably to the point of being unintentionally misleading ... sorry ... my bad! ... Crazy

I was actually thinking of our female Rhodesian Ridgeback when I made that post ... The RR a fairly large breed, and our girl comes from bloodlines known for slow physical maturity ... Our girl only reached her full height at the end of about 18months ... and in fact, now that she is spayed and will not bear a litter - we suspect her depth & width of chest, and musculature will never reach full potential.

And that said ... our considerations were kinda peculiar to our circumstances and our dog ... and may not be generally applicable ...

So, unless the owner has some particular reason ... I agree with Liz that it's probably best to spay early rather than late ...

And even if the dog remains a little more playful than normal - that's really not so bad ... Smile ... Much much better than wondering what to do with unplanned puppies running around the house ... Shocked

Jimin posted: " ... BTW, I was at gasing yesterday to watch the classes, its pretty cool.. Angel of course was barking at all the other dogs coz she wanted to play... i really need to learn how to teach her to ignore them man ..."

It's gonna take very intensive training to teach a dog (esp. a Labbie) to ignore other dogs ... Tongue ... Might be easier to just socialise your Lab a lot ... let her meet lots of people & dogs - until she becomes jelak and blaze about the whole thing ... and she will calm down, which she will anyways as she grows older ...

Cheers


(This post was edited by surchinmy on Nov 11, 2004, 8:39 AM)


Amanda85
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Nov 12, 2004, 8:42 PM

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i've questione here, hope you can help me with this.

i've spay me dog 2 months ago.
but she still have great interest to male dogs. and my neighbour male dog will still come and visit her every evening.

and she is still very active. and i notice not much different after she's spay.

Pacco de Mongrel
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thomstan
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Nov 12, 2004, 11:45 PM

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In Reply To
Hi ...

Good to hear from you ... Smile ... And your point is taken ...

Cheers



are you actually remembering every single thing or you got it jotted down?

The way you reply to all post.. sounds so much like you're a pro... very informative..

have you ever thought of being a vet instead? or you are one already?

*impressed*



The one you love is the one that should take you higher


surchinmy
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Nov 13, 2004, 7:16 AM

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No, am not a vet ... and too late for me to become a vet ... Tongue

Just know a bit here & there ...

Cheers


surchinmy
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Nov 13, 2004, 8:25 AM

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Hi ...

Yes, even after spaying ... humping can occur ... because humping does not just occur when a female is on heat ... humping can occur for a variety of reasons ... including as a sign of exerting dominance ...

Cheers


candy722
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Nov 15, 2004, 9:22 AM

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You can spay them as early as 6 months.




surchinmy
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Nov 15, 2004, 10:36 AM

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Hi ...

Yes, that has already been mentioned in Liz Tay's post above ...

" ... In animal shelters it is generally recommended that 6-9 months is fine and some do neutering even earlier with supposedly good results. But really the best thing is for you to consult the best vet you can and get a more educated guess about your particular dog's stage of maturity ..."

My post is on a slightly different issue ... re: physical maturity if you spay early ...

Cheers

 
 




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