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PSD
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Mar 8, 2004, 7:08 PM

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A Schuthund dog works in a definte set of parameters. But a protection dog will need to discriminate for itself what is unusual/threat in its daily environment. There are some SchH dogs that are so friendly, I'm not sure you can't take him away...Wink



It is true that some point dogs are specifically trained this way. To the serious sports handler it is challenging enough to keep the dog under control from the intense helper distraction. They would not want that dog to be so concerned with every other tom, dick n harry in the field which would then be a liability to them instead. This is just what that divides sports dog and a protection dog. Good sports dogs (I dont mean point dogs) can be transfered into protection/service with some cross training.

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PSD
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Mar 8, 2004, 8:22 PM

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Meaning, the the dog that is purposely bread for this purpose. I guess i won't be able to find out then since both my dogs are mixed breeds. Anyway i'm only asking for the basics of a guarding dog from them. No more than that. I dont expect too much from them as i know how far can they go and all that.That's why i came here to ask and see whether my way of training them is correct. :)



Paulynn,

Please dont misunderstand me. When I say a dog purposely bread for this purpose I meant it in a way that the breeder selects the breeding goals based on the working drives as earlier mentioned. Mixed breeds can also become a great protection dog if they have the traits as earlier quoted. Therefore it would be good to get them evaluated by a person who knows what he is doing then u will know for sure. This is what I meant.

Your way of training is called prey work or it could just be play work instead which I have not seen so I wont be able to tell you in the forum. This is first step for a puppy development. Eventually a protection dog should be advanced into defensive work which u will then need a helper - stranger to the dog.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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mhazman
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Mar 8, 2004, 9:28 PM

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Hi Paulynn,

Let me clarify a few things here, maybe can help your quest.

1. You need protection because the location you're in
is not safe.
2. You have two dogs which you would like to train for protection.

3. You understand the meaning of watch,guard/protection and sportsdog.

If you choose to ensure safety and security with the use of K9 then please get some experts to evaluate your dog whether they are suitable for the purpose.
If they are suitable then only you start training .
There are some Klang Valley ppl who likes protection training, maybe you can watch them train or join them if your dogs are up to it.

cheers Wink

Azman


PSD
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Mar 9, 2004, 4:55 AM

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hehehehehe Azman,

I think u nailed it perfect this time....heheheheh. Paulynn, Azman is right. Why dont u join them one of these days and see how it develops from there. I think it is the best way.

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wildgunsr
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Mar 9, 2004, 5:30 AM

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LOLTongue

We'll never hear the end of it, LOLWink


wildgunsr
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Mar 9, 2004, 5:43 AM

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You got me there mate Blush

Correct, there are just some differences in the quality of dogs which cannot be minimised/maximised by training or environment, which boils down to its genetic make-up.


PSD, I totally agree that REAL killer dogs are neurotic dogs, but from what I've gathered there are many many people out there, who do not understand dogs, even court of laws, that penalise a dog that bites/attack an intruder/unwelcomed guest/"innocent party" who 'in a moment of emergency/complacency' decided not to ring the door bell and enter a house/property, only to be attacked by a protection dog...

That's the preception that many have, and you'll be surprised...I've heard for myself what some respected individuals who supposedly deal with animals, incl. dogs, everyday have to say about dogs that are trained for protection....or even SchH...it's disgusting and shocking i tell you


(This post was edited by wildgunsr on Mar 9, 2004, 5:52 AM)


paulynn
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Mar 9, 2004, 5:49 AM

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PSD- Oh no i did not misunderstand u at all. What i was trying to say that i knew what u meant and it'd be hard for me to check on his "identity" as i don't know whether he really does have some GSD in his body though he has the GSD black coat and furry tail. But anyway, i'll try the basics on Josie but not him. He's so lazy even when i'm trying to get him to play or practise whenever i train josie. but josie was really really good (to me ) today. She responded very well during the attack-the-cloth "training". This time i tried to make her to listen to my words properly and not take any chances to attack the cloth without my command and she did. I made her stay and took a few steps back and said "attack" and she ran like a wind and attack 100% on the cloth. Don't know whether it sounds like a game to both of you but she was crazy.i even pretended that i was running away but running up and down and she stills hold onto the cloth until i mentioned the word stop/drop. What say you?

azman- thanks will check on it. If not will just wait for the retired dogsfrom the gov.


PSD
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Mar 10, 2004, 12:55 AM

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Paulynn,

hehehe! I think there is just so much that u can do in a virtual helpline. To ensure we dont take any chances with wrong assumption as i have not seen your dog personally, really u have to look at getting some help here eventually if you want to go tht far then there must be another person doing the helper work.

From your description sounds like a nice dog. Nice play n maybe prey dog. These are important pre-requisite but have to test the nerve. How old is the dog by the way?

What u r doing is play work. Its a game to the dog n also u. Its altogether a different matter when a strange man in standing in place of the cloth. But nice start. Eventually u will need one stranger to do that so that the dog can overcome its defensive drive to bring on fight.

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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PSD
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Mar 10, 2004, 1:25 AM

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Correct, there are just some differences in the quality of dogs which cannot be minimised/maximised by training or environment, which boils down to its genetic make-up.



I think u didnt get my meaning right.


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PSD, I totally agree that REAL killer dogs are neurotic dogs, but from what I've gathered there are many many people out there, who do not understand dogs, even court of laws, that penalise a dog that bites/attack an intruder/unwelcomed guest/"innocent party" who 'in a moment of emergency/complacency' decided not to ring the door bell and enter a house/property, only to be attacked by a protection dog...



A good dog needs a good owner. The house or property do not have any business to be left unlocked n easily accessable in the first place. And a good protection dog will not bite on wrong entry, they bark n warn first unless being attacked at.


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That's the preception that many have, and you'll be surprised...I've heard for myself what some respected individuals who supposedly deal with animals, incl. dogs, everyday have to say about dogs that are trained for protection....or even SchH...it's disgusting and shocking i tell you



respected???? ........ misinformed individual is the correct word to use.....lolTongue

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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RealityDreamer
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Mar 11, 2004, 9:15 AM

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Ah...ok. I *think* I got it.So you want them to sort of bark in a threatening way?

Well, Tyson has different barks. 1 I found out was just a suspicious/curious bark where he would just stand his ground and bark. The other bark(pulling,growling etc) however...I'm still not sure. For this, I never trained Tyson. It just happened suddenly and caught me completely off guard. After any situation like this I would just praise him and assure him that he was doing the right thing.

If a dog has it in him, he would defend when he feels threatened. For the defence,usually the dogs are born with it. During training(civil agitation), it is "brought out" so to speak.

"if someone stopped me i want them to sense "dangeR" which i know they are able to but i want them to make the attackers know the danger and all, do u get what i mean now? "

Well, dogs don't exactly "sense" the danger. They read the strangers body language. Any strange body language and they will react(for trained dogs). PP dogs are taught to discriminate from what is normal body language and what is not. Of course not all attackers act strangely and not all those who act strangely are attackers.


You can? That's great LaughSmile How come they get a life after retirement but the dogs from the police force don't?
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paulynn
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Mar 12, 2004, 1:59 AM

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Police dogs too!! they retire at the age of 5-6 i think...very young dn't u think?

Well, i think Psd maybe right...that josie's responding to the attack word and all that training because it mgiht be a play work for her ...Hm...

but thanks for helping me out


PSD
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Mar 15, 2004, 6:20 PM

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paulynn,

I dont think Police dog in Malaysia retires at 5-6. 9-10 is more like it.

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Mar 15, 2004, 7:31 PM

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PSD,

The Police Trainer told me (during the K9 Day ) that their dogs generally retire at the age of seven.


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Mar 15, 2004, 8:04 PM

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Khoo,

7? Hmmm! Now that is interesting. I was having a diff impression from another person. I do know that 7 is the age they practise in Sin and also US. If I have a chance I will find out more about this and share it here in future once I have some confirmation. Thanks for sharing, its news to me. Worth investigating on.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

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mhazman
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Mar 15, 2004, 10:16 PM

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PSD,
Actually there are quite a number of police dogs who were retired at 5-6 yrs mainly due to HD.

cheers
Azman
P.S-- Nice dog in your avatar. So when can we see her/him ?Wink


boon
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Mar 15, 2004, 11:32 PM

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Hi Azman,

Guess u key between 5-6 or 9-10 is the HD....hahahaha

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PSD
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Mar 16, 2004, 5:51 AM

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Azman,

Heheheh if it was due to HD then its a no choice case rather. But I'm interested to find out the official retirement age on the service dog that had no health issue. I had heard so much of budget thingy which seams to be a problem of the not being retired at 7. I would probably have some opportunity next month to find out. Can't wait actually Tongue

Azman, we should get together again sometime. Wonder where is Ludoc nowadays?

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


paulynn
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Mar 16, 2004, 9:03 AM

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Hi,

sorry i meant to say 7 ...not 5-6 :) btw..finally u've got an avatar...cute dog :) .


PSD
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Mar 16, 2004, 6:02 PM

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Paulynn,

Thanks. The pic was just taken couple of days ago during a practise session by a friend. Thankfully he was kind enough to do that otherwise I dont think I will ever bring out the camera....TongueBlush

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


paulynn
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Mar 19, 2004, 12:20 AM

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Wow..is that your dog then ?VEry sexy looking.


PSD
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Mar 19, 2004, 6:26 AM

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paulynn,

Hahahaha. U really think so? Wait until this fella pose for you.....lol...Tongue

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


paulynn
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Mar 19, 2004, 7:13 AM

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Hehe. YEs i do think so. Anyway regarding the previous discussions about me wanting my dogs to be guard dogs and all, i realized that nash is not really capable to be trained as one as he's not as daring and leading as josie eventhough both of them does not have the size of some working /guard dogs. Josie on the other hand is very brave and always leads Nash (though nash is older than her knowing that she's only a mere 10 months old pup!). So ive decided to focus on josie more than on nash but also giving nash equal basic trainnings :)

i hope i'm doing the right thing .. correct me if i'm not


RealityDreamer
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Apr 3, 2004, 4:55 AM

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Hey girl,

sorry didn't reply any sooner. Been real busy.Unsure

7 yrs is pretty alright.but i thought the corporal or someone from the force told me the dogs would be destroyed?

anyway,how's josie doing?

and what's this i heard that u now hv a total of trois dogs?Tongue
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PSD
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Apr 5, 2004, 7:31 PM

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Khoo and everyone interested,

Was at the police kennel recently and seen some really serious dogs there. Retirement age are actually not a mandatory thing. The dogs sourced are as young as 10 months to 2 years old green. They would be trained and continue with their work as long as they are physically fit for it regardless of age. Only those showing physically defect will be retired from service. In other words, the dogs can continue beyond 7 years old as long as he it fit. Unfortunately, for security reasons none are for public adoption.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

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