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Ludoc
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Jan 15, 2004, 1:49 AM

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I only know aout his father, not his grand dad or great grand dad. Soprry! Another thing I know is he is worth the money I spent. He has minor problems such as sitting a bit crooked , crowding on heel but almost perfect hold and bark and clean out. Sometimes the bite is not fuul-mouth. These can be corrected.


mhazman
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Jan 15, 2004, 2:39 AM

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Hi Boon,

I think its mainly Adeloga,Wildsteigerland,Korbelbach and Jungen Hansen in the 5 gens. There's some strong workinglines with a couple of BSP and WUSV dogs.
Like to see him one day. If its OK with Ludoc , we can meet 1/2 way in Ipoh.

cheers

Azman


Polluxx
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Jan 15, 2004, 4:00 AM

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Hi Guys,

Azman is rite ! wt a 3-4 on Rina, there's a quite a bit of Adeloga,Wildsteigerland, ....on both side.

But a 5-5 on Fero thru the dam's side thru his 2 famous Sons Wink..yum-yum ! , and then U have Nickie Heiligenbösch (BSP & WUSV),..Mmmm...and Arekkk..(PSD r u taking note ?)......!! Cool


Ludoc,
I would definitely be very interested to take a look at the ur dog...? ?

BTW.....mind sharing wt us more abt him..? was he a hard dog, his drv , nerve etc ....! !






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GSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 6:09 AM

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sorry, I'm very new to dog's world. May I ask, is Henrico von den jungen Hansen a GREAT dog ? or kennel ?



Steven
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RealityDreamer
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Jan 15, 2004, 9:43 AM

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GREAT dog Cool
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MalsInOz
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Jan 15, 2004, 1:13 PM

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Yes Ludoc's Rokko has some nice dogs in the pedigree! Glad to hear he himself is good for you too.

We don't have much Fero here in Aust. There are maybe a couple of dogs that I know of off hand thru Yoschy/Troll but very little considering how many great dogs his lines have produced throughout Europe!

Offtopic: Did you guys notice the Malinois in "Puppies for Sale" section? Does anyone know the lines of these? They are good looking dogs.

MalsInOz


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PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 6:15 PM

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I only know aout his father, not his grand dad or great grand dad. Soprry! Another thing I know is he is worth the money I spent. He has minor problems such as sitting a bit crooked , crowding on heel but almost perfect hold and bark and clean out. Sometimes the bite is not fuul-mouth. These can be corrected.



Ludoc,

I believe you know more than me. I wouldnt lose any sleep over the above matters. Easily solvable with some isolated training to address the specifics. Full mouth can be a genetic thing but if Rokko is sometimes biting full and calm, it could be some foundation issues. Just go back few steps and start again. Will take time but definately solvable.

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 6:17 PM

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Poll,

My notes was taken long ago....heheheheh. U dont hear me saying handsome dog much isnt it. Rokko is indeed handsome. If only I have a chance to see it in action, that will seal my thoughts on this dog. I believe he is a good dog indeed.

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 6:28 PM

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sorry, I'm very new to dog's world. May I ask, is Henrico von den jungen Hansen a GREAT dog ? or kennel ?



Steven,

Dont worry, u will no longer be new if the hunger for knowledge persists. The kennel can only be GOOD while only dogs may be called GREAT. Reason being, Good kennel tried their best in research of bloodlines, structures, progenys, genetics and plenty more which only good breeder will be able to do, therefore such kennels belongs to such breeders are termed as good.

After all those careful selection and tedious process, all is only done to keep the margins or error low and opportunity to reporduce a good dog there. Of all the process, you will then chance upon one or if you are lucky 2 dog in a litter that were exceptional. Therefore these exceptional dog is then worthy of the title GREAT......hahahahah This is PSD's version....dont mind my rambling.Laugh

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PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 6:33 PM

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Evan,

I think OZ is very influenced by Minks more than Fero. Nowadays though it is pretty hard to find any dog without Fero. My opinion on this is that too much of one thing is not so good. The magic is to be able to combine all that we can find and waste none of them......easier said than done.

The Mals lineage.........kekekekek Ludoc, this is your call.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


MalsInOz
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Jan 15, 2004, 7:35 PM

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"...My opinion on this is that too much of one thing is not so good. ..."

Yes, I believe there are similar problems - maybe even more - with the Malinois!

Three dogs - G'Vitou des Deux Pottois, Eik des Deux Pottois & Elgos du Chemin des Plaines - all have proven to be outstanding producers and line breeding on these dogs has proven highly successful so it becomes a "catch 22" - The combinations repeatedly produce high quality dogs so people keep using them - soon the best you can get is the best their blood will carry with it!

But soon they will all fall back beyond the 5th Gen and we won't be worrying ourselves about them anymore!!Wink

MalsInOz


PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 10:38 PM

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Even,

Personally, genetics game can be pretty vicious. End of the day they are just building blocks. If we can use a wide base of genetics base then I think it will produce a stronger outcome. Relying on too small a base on one dog will become very risky. Again, genetics can turn in a very unthought of outcome so everything is still an educated guess.

I'm not too good on Mals. Perhaps others can contribute here.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


comel23
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Jan 15, 2004, 11:15 PM

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Hello everyone

I am totally new about schutzhund training. Have had no experience except seeing demos in Canada and recently at the K9 Day. If it is not too silly to ask, is there an association in Malaysia and how do I begin this training besides reading?

From the readings, you guys are so advanced.....shylah .....Blush. as a beginner where do I begin???
Cheers Everyone

"Love Your Dog and You'll Be Loved Unconditionally"


PSD
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:15 AM

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Lilie,

As at now nothing yet but if you can jump to the other SchH thread you will see that something is brewing. Join in there if the interest is good. We need plenty of support to get this off the ground.

Dont worry about being a beginer. Everyone was a beginer once.Smile Reading the old threads will give you tons of information and an idea or something. I know it gets twisted alot and you may get confused further but just do your best. If there is anything you are unsure of post it as a new issue and I'm sure someone will help out.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


RealityDreamer
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Jan 17, 2004, 2:19 AM

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Hi,

Welcome to the thread. Don't be shy. I'm a beginner too. Smile

Just so you know, that day at the K9 day was not SchH. They were the *military*dogs of M'sia who are supposed to *bite* and stop intruders/wrong do-ers.

As a beginner, I would think the best would be doing the research,reserarch,research and more research. You could go through some forums,get good books and ask.

The association has not yet been formed. But do look out for itWink
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MalsInOz
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Jan 18, 2004, 6:43 PM

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Hi,

Yes PSD I've seen a couple of litters where two very good working parents have produced together not good dogs right across the litter - so we don't have that combination againFrown!!

Hey I'm not sure where we put links but this is the new site i've started work on for my dogs: http://www.barfhouse.com/malsinoz

Malsinoz


Ludoc
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Jan 18, 2004, 7:55 PM

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For all newbies (as well as old-bies0, there is a very good summary article on What is Schutzhund in schaferhund.com/information. Download or print this article and chew it over and over again until you fully digest it. Then, get into action and acquire a dog with schutzhund prospect. There is also a very good little book by Dr. Helmut Raiser, the new breed warden of SV Germany, called:' Der Schutzhund' --- don't worry, it is an excellent English translated version. One tip from the book: prey-drive promotion should be started with dog of three month old, " the prey drive is subject to stimulus and action specific exhaustion, and consequently should not be worked too often. Once a week is sufficient for a young dog..." Get the book on-line if you want to read more!


boon
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Jan 19, 2004, 7:58 AM

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Hi Dr Loo,

the correct link for the article u mentioned is http://www.schaferhund.com/schutzhund.htm
Below is the precise cut and paste from the article. Thank You for sharing.


What is Schutzhund? ^

Schutzhund is a German word meaning "protection dog". It refers to a sport that focuses on developing and evaluating those traits in dogs that make them even more useful and happier companions to their owners.

Schutzhund work concentrates on three parts. Many familiar with obedience work of the American Kennel Club's affiliates will recognize the first two parts, tracking and obedience. The Schutzhund standards for the third part, protection work, are similar to those for dogs in police work.

While dogs of other breeds are also admitted to Schutzhund trials, this breed evaluation test was developed specifically for the German Shepherd Dog. Schutzhund is intended to demonstrate the dog's intelligence and utility. As a working trial, Schutzhund measures the dog's mental stability, endurance, structural efficiencies, ability to scent, willingness to work, courage and trainability.

This working dog sport offers an opportunity for dog owners to train their dog and compete with each other for recognition of both the handler's ability to train and the dog's ability to perform as required. It is a sport enjoyed by persons of varied professions, who join together in a camaraderie born of their common interest in working with their dogs. Persons of all ages and conditions of life - even those with significant disabilities - enjoy Schutzhund as a sport. Often, it is a family sport.
The Three Parts of a Schutzhund Trial ^


The Tracking phase includes a temperament test by the overseeing judge to assure the dog's mental soundness. When approached closely on a loose leash, the dog should not act shyly or aggressively. The track is laid earlier by a person walking normally on a natural surface such as dirt or grass. The track includes a number of turns and a number of small, man-made objects left by the person on the track itself. At the end of a 30-foot leash, the handler follows the dog, which is expected to scent the track and indicate the location of the objects, usually by lying down with it between its front paws. The tracking phase is intended to test the dog's ability to scent, as well as its mental and physical endurance.

The Obedience phase includes a series of heeling exercises, some of which are closely in and around a group of people. During the heeling, there is a gun shot test to assure that the dog does not openly react to such sharp noises. There is also a series of field exercises in which the dog is commanded to sit, lie down, and stand while the handler continues to move. From these various positions, the dog is recalled to the handler. With dumbells of various weights, the dog is required to retrieve on a flat surface, over a one-meter hurdle, and over a six-foot slanted wall. The dog is also asked to run in a straight direction from its handler on command and lie down on a second command.

Finally, each dog is expected to stay in a lying down position away from its handler, despite distractions, at the other end of the obedience field, while another dog completes the above exercises. All of the obedience exercises are tests of the dog's temperament, structural efficiencies, and, very importantly, its willingness to serve man or woman.

The Protection phase tests the dog's courage, physical strength, and agility. The handler's control of the dog is absolutely essential. The exercises include a search of hiding places, finding a hidden person (acting as a human decoy), and guarding that decoy while the handler approaches. The dog is expected to pursue the decoy when an escape is attempted and to hold the grip firmly. The decoy is searched and transported to the judge with the handler and dog walking behind and later at the decoy's right side. When the decoy attempts to attack the handler, the dog is expected to stop the attack with a firm grip and no hesitation.

The final test of courage occurs when the decoy is asked to come out of a hiding place by the dog's handler from the opposite end of the trial field. The dog is sent after the decoy when he attempts to run away. Just when the dog is about to catch the decoy, the judge signals the decoy to turn and run directly at the dog, threatening the dog with a stick. All bites during the protection phase are expected to be firmly placed on the padded sleeve and stopped on command and/or when the decoy discontinues the fight. The protection tests are intended to assure that the dog is neither a coward nor a criminal menace.
Schutzhund Around the World ^

The first Schutzhund trial was held in Germany in 1901 to emphasize the correct working temperament and ability in the German Shepherd breed. Originally, these dogs were herding dogs, but the industrialization of Germany encouraged breeders to promote the use of their dogs as police and military dogs. The Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (SV), the parent club, became concerned that his would lead to careless breeding and undesirable traits such as mental instability, so it developed the Schutzhund test.

Since then, many other countries and working dog organizations have also adopted Schutzhund as a sport and a test of working performance in dogs. International rules have been established, and they are administered by the Verein für Deutsche Hundesport (VDH).

In 1970 the first Schutzhund trial in the U.S. was held in California. In 1987, the United Schutzhund Clubs of America alone sanctioned nearly 300 trials with a total entry of about 1800 dog/handler teams. More than 17 countries sent teams of competitors to the World Championship for Schutzhund dogs for the World Union of German Shepherd Clubs.
The Schutzhund Titles ^

There are three levels of the Schutzhund test. SchH1, SchH2, SchH3

For Schutzhund I the dog must be at least 18 months old and pass an initial temperament test by the judge. The dog must heel on the leash and off, demonstrate the walking sit, the walking down, and the stay tests, as well as the send-out. It must retrieve on the flat and over a hurdle. In tracking, it must be able to follow a track laid by its handler at least 20 minutes earlier. There are also protection tests.

For Schutzhund II the dog must be at least 19 months old and already have earned its Schutshund I degree. It must again pass all of the obedience and protection tests required for the Schutzhund I degree, but those tests, for Schutzhund II, are made more difficult and require greater endurance, agility, and, above all, control. There is an additional retrieve required over the six-foot slanted wall. In tracking, the Schutzhund II candidate must be able to follow a track laid by a stranger at least 30 minutes earlier.

For Schutzhund III, the master's degree, the dog must be at least 20 months old and must have earned both the Schutzhund I and the Schutzhund II titles. Again, the tests now are made far more difficult. All exercises in obedience and protection are demonstrated off leash. There is the addition of a walking and running stand. In tracking, the dog must follow a track that was laid by a stranger at least 50 minutes earlier. The track has four turns, compared with two turns for Schutzhund I and II, and there are three objects, rather than two, that must be found by the dog. The picture of obedience, strength, eagerness, and confidence presented by an excellent Schutzhund III team is a beautiful illustration of the partnership of human and dog.

In addition to the Schutzhund temperament tests, the United Schutzhund Clubs of America offers three training degrees: the FH, an advanced tracking degree; the B, a basic dog obedience degree for traffic-safe companion dogs; and the WH, or basic protection degree which includes basic obedience.
The Value To the Breed ^

Any registered German Shepherd that has earned a Schutzhund degree has demonstrated sufficient ability as a working dog to qualify for breed evaluation. The breed evaluation is a very detailed examination of the dog's structure, temperament, and pedigree and requires both a certification of good hip joints and sufficient performance on an endurance test (the "AD"). Dogs that do well in the breed evaluation receive a Körklasse I or Körklasse II. This is a recommendation and evaluation by a trained and recognized expert judge as to the worthiness of the dog for breeding. Dog rated Körklasse II are "suitable for breeding" and dogs rated Körklasse I are "recommended for breeding". By thus screening dogs in order to select the suitable specimens for breeding, Schutzhund helps to maintain the quality of the breed at a very high level. Thus, there is a very high level of assurance that puppies born of Schutzhund dams and sired by Schutzhund dogs are more likely to be of reliable temperament, high intelligence, steady nerves, extreme endurance, great strength, and sound structure. What is the Judge Looking for in the Dog? ^

At all three stages - Schutzhund I, II, and III - each of the three phases; obedience, tracking, and protection, is worth 100 points for a total of 300 points. If a dog does not receive a minimum of 70% of the points in track and obedience and 80% of the points in protection - or if the dog fails the pretrial temperament test - it is not awarded a degree that day and must repeat the entire test, passing all phases of the test at a later trial. In every event, the judge is looking for an eager, concentrating, accurate working dog. High ratings and scores are given to the animal that displays a strong willingness and ability to work for its human handler. The Schutzhund-Trained Dog in the Home ^

Since Schutzhund is the demonstration of the German Shepherd's most desirable characteristics, dogs well trained in Schutzhund are usually excellent companions in the home. The German Shepherd Dog - like any other working dog that possesses mental stability - has trust and confidence in itself, allowing it to be at peace with its surroundings.

In addition to sound structural efficiencies for long, arduous work, the standard for the German Shepherd Dog calls for mental stability and a willingness to work. The dog should be approachable, quietly standing its ground, showing confidence and a willingness to meet overtures without itself necessarily making them. It should be generally calm, but eager and alert when the situation warrants. It should be fearless but also good with children.

The German Shepherd Dog should not be timid or react nervously to unusual sounds or sights. A dog that is overly aggressive because of its overall fears of people and events can be extremely dangerous. The Schutzhund sport is designed to identify and eliminate such dogs from breeding stock. Because Schutzhund training gives the owner a great deal of control over the dog, the owner is able to let the dog have more fun. Not only is Schutzhund itself enjoyable for the dog, but the Schutzhund-trained dog knows how to please its owners, creating a stronger bond between dog and owners.
The Schutzhund-Trained Dog for Police Work ^

A dog that performs well in Schutzhund work is obviously a very good candidate for police work. Police dogs, like other service dogs, must have temperaments with a good foundation of intelligence and utility. A minimal amount of additional training makes many well-trained Schutzhund dogs ready for active police duty. Such fearless police dogs can also work around children and in crowds without worry on the part of their handlers. Choosing a Puppy for Schutzhund ^

In every breed, the pedigree is the key to knowing the potential of the puppy. Schutzhund revolves working lines - generations of dogs that have proven themselves and produced similar characteristics in their offspring. These characteristics include not only the physical structure of the dog, which is very important, but also its temperament.

Selecting the bloodlines from which you want your puppy may require advice. Information from breed surveys can help. Of course, it makes sense to discuss your objectives with reputable and experienced Schutzhund handlers or enthusiasts.

Once you have determined that the bloodlines of the potential dam and sire of are high quality, you should observe the parents, especially the mother, if that is at all possible. The dam will be the main influence on the young pup for the first six weeks of its life. If the dam is nervous or unsure, chances are this uncertainty will be transferred to the offspring.

If you are able to see the litter, watch the puppies together and also separately, to try to determine which is the best puppy. Obvious structural defects or health problems should be watched for.

It is important that the puppy have intense instinct to stalk the prey - a ball, a toy, etc. - and also be the leader in the sense of bullying the other puppies. The puppy should not show fear when away form its litter mates. It should not need to stay with the mother. The puppy should be adventurous and active, playing with objects shown to it by someone in the enclosure, but it should be independent enough to take that object and go off on its own as well.

It is independence and confidence, combined with the positive contact with the pack leader (the dam, at this time) that will develop into traits of trainability that you need.
Raising a Puppy for Schutzhund ^

Puppyhood is the most critical period for the development of the characteristics you want to encourage. Your local Schutzhund club can advise you about nurturing and socializing your growing puppy.

A puppy learns from its experiences, so you want to provide only positive ones. It should be provided with opportunity to explore and investigate new situations and new people, but always in a non-threatening way. Remember that your goal is to build confidence in the young animal. Your aim is not to dominate or oppress the young pup.

Exposure to different environments is crucial to the general education of the dog and also to assure it that the world is a safe place. If something appears to make the dog unsure, give it the opportunity to investigate it slowly, but do not force the issue.

It is imperative to avoid situations where your dog would be dominated by another, older or stronger dog, or by another puppy. You also want to avoid having to discipline or correct your puppy and thus dampen its spirit or damage its self-confidence. You can do this by never leaving the pup in a situation where it can cause damage to your valuables or find itself in a dangerous predicament.

The final area of development is that of drive encouragement. The natural behaviors that you want to encourage are playing with the ball, tug of war, hide and seek, pulling toys on a string, pursuing you rapidly when you run away, and finally defending itself, its family, and its home. The latter only really shows itself between the ages of nine and eighteen months, as the pup begins to mature, by barking at strangers or intruders.

It is better to leave for later formal obedience training with a young dog. The character of the puppy is not sufficiently strong to withstand the corrections involved in obedience training. Acceptable manners at home and in the car and "play" training, like learning to sit for a food reward, with no corrections involved, is advisable. Real obedience work should begin only after the dog is well on its way in the protection training.
Do Dogs Enjoy Schutzhund Training? ^

If trained in the right manner, dogs enjoy working, as anyone who attends a Schutzhund competition can see. The joy of the dogs in working with their handlers is evident.

For thousands of years, dogs have adapted to serve humans in a mutually beneficial relationship. While dogs could move quickly, hunt prey, and protect flocks and their owner, the humans could provide food, shelter from the most severe elements, and protection from larger predators, besides tending to the dog's injuries. A dog's reason for being is to serve humans.

Schutzhund training helps develop the dog's natural instincts to a high level. Self-confident dogs, doing work for which they are well trained, are happy dogs. Wagging tails, sounds of excitement, and strong pulling on a leash all show an observer at a Schutzhund trial how much fulfillment dogs find in this work.
For More Information About Schutzhund... ^

Schutzhund Clubs are organized by regions through the U.S., and there are numerous clubs in most areas of nearly all states. Regional Directors are also available for information and guidance in starting a new one.
As of January 1995, there were more than 170 full member clubs and 30 affiliated clubs in the "United Schutzhund Clubs of America." More than 5,500 individuals were members of those clubs.

The United Schutzhund Clubs of America (USA) is a member of the World Union of German Shepherd Dog Clubs, and sends a team to the World Championship each year.

In addition, the USA sanctions regional championships and two major national championships. It also sanctions conformation shows and championships for the German Shepherd Dog.

USA is responsible for scheduling visits from foreign judges and administers its own judges program.

USA also maintains a "Breed Registry" for German Shepherd Dogs consisting of pedigrees for five generations.

USA adheres to the VDH rules for Schutzhund.


Organizations
USA
United Schutzhund Clubs of America
3810 Paule Avenue
St. Louis, Mo 63125
ph(314)638-9686


SV
Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (SV)
Hauptgeschäftsstelle
Steinerne Furt 71/71A D-86167
Augsburg Germany
tel 0821740020




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You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

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Jan 26, 2004, 10:26 PM

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Evan,

Nice looking site you have there. Is that you in the pics handling the Mal? Looking good that dog is......of course the handler too Smile

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Al
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Mar 20, 2004, 8:39 AM

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Hi Fellows:

Did I come in too early?

Anyway, sorry I couldn't reply any sooner. Heavy year this is for me.

Anyway, hope we could open up any discussion where I could learn from you people.

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