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minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 28, 2003, 3:30 AM Views: 3052 Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? 1. Breeder 2. Petshop 3. Home breeder 4. Family & Friends 5. SPCA & PAWS or adoption 6. Advertisement in the daily newpapers 7. import from oversea cheers, minglmy

mackmack Doggyman Sep 28, 2003, 8:52 AM Views: 3039 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? This is a good one! but i cant give a firm answer, coz i believe it could be form any way (for me) as long as the feel is "fated to own the dog". Then.... "let it be" --I have Howling Bean and Lazy Mack.--

hunter Ultra ALPHA Sep 28, 2003, 8:54 AM Views: 3038 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? what's the actual difference btwn breeder and home breeder? breeders breed their dogs in kennels and home breeders in residential houses???? anyway, no matter what, breeders all the way.

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 28, 2003, 9:22 AM Views: 3036 Re: [hunter] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? from what I know... home breeder can also be backyard breeder (meaning might not have any knowledge of breeding their dog) just breed n sell cheap-cheap for the sake of breeding n selling puppies. Breeder is those who show their dog and breed only once in a while and will only breed their dog from a certain age (2 yrs old - 6/7 yrs only) and only about maybe once in a year kind of scenario. The above is just an example... there are many more that could fall in either one of the category which I might not know of.... cheers, minglmy (This post was edited by minglmy on Sep 28, 2003, 9:26 AM)

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 28, 2003, 9:25 AM Views: 3034 Re: [mackmack] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? er.... there is that also lar... "fated" maybe got another category call - mana-mana lor in no.7 cheers, minglmy

Kowpa Member Sep 28, 2003, 9:26 AM Views: 3033 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Puppy mill I should say

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 28, 2003, 9:51 AM Views: 3029 Re: [Kowpa] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Hi, Why would you consider getting ur next puppy from the puppymills ? cheers, minglmy

ai_ney Ultra ALPHA Sep 28, 2003, 10:49 AM Views: 3026 Re: [mackmack, ALL] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? yeah i agree with ms mack here! leave it to fate, it would happen if it's meant to be... but if i have to choose, animal shelters would get my vote... Sookie's Photo Gallery DON'T BREED AND BUY, WHILE HOMELESS ANIMALS DIE. EVERY DOG SHOULD HAVE A HOME.

strawhoney K9 Maniac Sep 28, 2003, 2:57 PM Views: 3024 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? ohh...my breeder does not show her dogs..i'm not too sure if i'm right..but i'm confident that "handlers", not breeders, involve in show business... correct me if i'm wrong.. cheerios Meme odie moves MY world!

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 29, 2003, 8:13 AM Views: 3018 Re: [strawhoney] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? well, here in KL most of those i seen does breed their show dogs... but i have yet to really see any professional hired handlers around. Your breeder is in US or KL ? cheers, minglmy

strawhoney K9 Maniac Sep 29, 2003, 2:51 PM Views: 3012 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? my breeder is from US...Well a couple of breeders I met, they told me the same thing..maybe it's different in KL....however, i definitely not opposing to breeders showing their dogs... Meme odie moves MY world!

RealityDreamer Doggyman Sep 29, 2003, 7:44 PM Views: 3008 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? for me.. same as and Ai Ney...fated. If not...all except the pet shop. To me, home breeder means..just breed the doggie for hobby. Came fr a dog loving family who has an interest in selling the dog to a good home. Not necessarily with a fancy bloodline..or a show dog. That's sort of thing. ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 29, 2003, 11:48 PM Views: 3004 Re: [RealityDreamer] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? oh well, there is lots of different definition on the word home-breeder so it really depends on each individual on their own interpretation on this ler... cheers, minglmy

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 29, 2003, 11:50 PM Views: 3003 Re: [strawhoney] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? I guess its different in KL.... I have yet to see a professional handler in the show ring. Most of the time I see people helping each another to show the dogs only. cheers, minglmy

RealityDreamer Doggyman Sep 30, 2003, 4:38 AM Views: 2997 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? true.. should add another catergory.....backyard breeder.. but doubt anyone would choose that....duh. ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 30, 2003, 8:37 AM Views: 2992 Re: [RealityDreamer] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? hi, the thing is how wud u know the home breeder is a backyard breeder or not ? That's why I only put up the one category coz its pretty hard to find the line between the 2 u see... cheers, minglmy

RealityDreamer Doggyman Sep 30, 2003, 9:34 AM Views: 2988 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? erm....backyard breeder's place and a home breeder's place...very different. home breeder..like a normal home..back yard breeder..like a mini puppy mill..simply horrible..smelt really bad too..the pups were completely covered in their own pee..the white pup..was not white anyways,that's wht i think.. guess ur right.. ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

sslee80 ALPHA Sep 30, 2003, 5:02 PM Views: 2984 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? hi I wish I could import one pup in the future Right now "pok kai" edi... Have a Great Day. Sean LEE

sun-arrow Member Sep 30, 2003, 9:46 PM Views: 2979 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? mostly likely will be from animal shelters. Or breeders/friends. _______________________________________________ If you can't decide between a Shepherd, a Setter, or a Poodle, get them all....adopt a mutt! -ASPCA

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 30, 2003, 11:49 PM Views: 2975 Re: [RealityDreamer] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? do u seriously think that a backyard breeder would let u see that kind of scenario in their place ? i doubt so lor... most prob they wud disguise themself as a home breeder as a front and sell their puppies.... cheers, minglmy

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Sep 30, 2003, 11:50 PM Views: 2974 Re: [sslee80] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? wow ! good for u then gonna plan to show the dog ? cheers, minglmy

JolinG Doggyman Oct 1, 2003, 5:51 AM Views: 2967 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? ming yang...so smart larh u where got all homebreeder breed the dog in the back yard?..so your saying we breed all our dogs in the backyard is it?......... backyard breeders are those who have alot lot lot of diffrent kind of dogs...cramp into small space...poo there shit there do everythign in 1 place mate them heat after heat..........that is backyard breeder puppymill and how the wan to disguise themselves as homebreeder...take 1 good look at their surrounding..u also know wat kind or breeder they are lar

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 1, 2003, 8:10 AM Views: 2963 Re: [JolinG] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? eh girl, there is no need to be so defensive one lar.... like i say, the line between some home breeders and back yard breeders is "sometimes" confusing especially to those who don't know or have NOT seen a real home breeders before. For example for a person who is backyard breeders (mate them heat after heat, got 3 -4 kind of dogs) do u think they will TELL or admit that they are backyard breeders ? You seriously think that they will bring people to their place n show them the cramp small space taht they are keeping their dogs when they are planning to sell the puppies as homebreed kind of dogs ? There is sooo much advertisement in the papers nowdays that says that they are homebreed but got 5 different kind of pups being advertise. U tell me what are they ? coz I'm totally confused ! cheers, minglmy

RealityDreamer Doggyman Oct 1, 2003, 8:27 AM Views: 2954 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? yes.....they would I've been to one before.... ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

JolinG Doggyman Oct 1, 2003, 8:38 AM Views: 2951 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? well........... from wat i read i tot u were saying that backyard breeders n homebreeders are the SAme marrrrrr homebreed advertise in the newspaper...hemr..u already know lar...advertise edi loh..!...ppl making money out of this.......3-4 kind of dog?..u have to go n see their place lar..then u know wat kind of breeder they are...whether ethical or not... from word of mouth.....or anything like that u canot judge...go n see for yourself.....if they are genuine home breeders....they will ask u come in the house....show u where they keep their dogs.....show u the dam....the sire.....of if not possible the pic of the dam..or sire........ as for the advertisement...5 diff kind of puppies?!....definitly not a hobby breeder..more like make money kind lar

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 1, 2003, 8:39 AM Views: 1219 Re: [RealityDreamer] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? and I have been to few who 'pretended' that they are home breeder.... so, what I'm saying its - basically the intrepretation of homebreeder and backyard breeder is subjective to individual's comments.... some backyard breeder thinks themselves as home breeder too as they don't see that they are backyard breeder at all. cheers, minglmy

RealityDreamer Doggyman Oct 1, 2003, 8:43 AM Views: 1216 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? hmmm...... i think only the backyard breeders would think they're home breeders.. =( other's wouldn't think so and for the reall home breeders....well, they're home breeders..we'll leave them alone ;P ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

tyler-myler Dog Kichi Oct 1, 2003, 8:56 AM Views: 1212 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? a backyard breeder vs a homebreeder is, IMHO based on ethics, whether one should breed dogs solely for profit or passion. you'll notice that backyard breeders mostly or always sell puppies for a profit without any thought of the consequence to the bloodline, physical attributes, etc... in other words, there are some people who breed dogs just for the sake of it.. they "like" to breed dogs, and doing so with minimal knowledge of the standard (or probably just enough to breed a good enough looking puppy) etc. To compare a reputable homebreeder and backyard breeder is quite unfair... true professional homebreeders do not need to advertise thier services but rely on reputation and word of mouth, afterall they do know what they are doing and talking about. dont you agree?

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 1, 2003, 9:26 AM Views: 1206 Re: [JolinG] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? aiyah...that's not what i mean at all lar ! I guess my inglishy not that goody then..got u guys confused too Home breeder and backyard breeder is totally different ! but the thing is most of the time backyard breeder will only acknowledge themselve as home breeder.... I think i must re-read all my previous post liao... maybe type something that have misled u guys ! sorry ya ! cheers, minglmy

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 1, 2003, 9:49 AM Views: 1201 Re: [tyler-myler] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Hi tyler, if you have read through my postings, you would have find that I have mentioned "home breeder can also be backyard breeder (meaning might NOT have any knowledge of breeding their dog) just breed n sell cheap-cheap for the sake of breeding n selling puppies." To me, people who does not know why they are breeding the dogs/pets then they would be consider as a backyard breeder.... coz they are not breeding with the sole purpose of IMPROVING the breed standard. But one thing you have to know is that, these are the poeple who will still call themselves as homebreeder irregardless coz what they know is that "if i breed my dogs at home then I'm a homebreeder" this is how they (the mindless people) think of themselves.... They will not admit that they are backyard breeder at all. To us who have seen some professional home breeder we know what a home breeder is. I'm NOT comparing the homebreeder and a backyard breeder at all... I'm just saying there is ppl who 'pretends' that they are professional homebreeder but infact is doing backyard breeding behind and i see that as fact of life if u look through the papers n advertisements and etc.... If you notice sometimes homebreeders do advertisement too (like website for example)... so we can't say that they only sell by the word of mouth n reputation at all. This is just my humble opinion lar.... cheers, minglmy (This post was edited by minglmy on Oct 1, 2003, 9:51 AM)

sslee80 ALPHA Oct 1, 2003, 3:38 PM Views: 1193 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? it's just my dream lar, minglmy. hope it comes true.. Surely, I will take time off to go for show... but much homework to do now... Have a Great Day. Sean LEE

Elly ALPHA Oct 1, 2003, 6:36 PM Views: 1191 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? well, I think the terms got us confused though. Home & Backyard. Every home got backyard... Errr.....is ok, not funny I think.

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 1, 2003, 11:52 PM Views: 1188 Re: [sslee80] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? well sean, i heard ppl say before " if there is a will, there is a way" and I'm sure if you work hard for ur dreams you'll be there in the ring someday with yr lovely dog. So, see u there ya ! cheers, minglmy

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 1, 2003, 11:55 PM Views: 1187 Re: [Elly] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? hahahhaa, some laughter in the midst of a so called serious discussion which is good thanks ya ! ur making me smile while thinking ... gosh my office ppl must have tot that I'm crazy looking at the notebook and smile all of a sudden one ! cheers, minglmy

mochacappucino Enthusiast Oct 2, 2003, 12:01 AM Views: 1183 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? I think I will get a dog from almost anyone as long as I like the puppy. Can't really stand the way they look at me... so cute !!! If I really have to choose, then I will get from a well known breeder if I can afford it. Regards, ~!@Mocha@!~ Come to the Chit Chat Thread with MochaCappucino @ the Chit Chat Section ! Or come join the Klang Division Thread !

Kowie ALPHA Oct 2, 2003, 8:38 AM Views: 1176 Re: [tyler-myler] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Hi, Totally agree with your opinion.. I guess when it comes down to it.. Seeing the breeder and the dogs living conditions will ultimately show what kind of breeder they are. Unfortunately, the public is more 'exposed' to the backyard sort and it seems to be the number of such breeders outnumber the decent ones. So I guess some people assume the worse lor... But then again it's their opinion right? Kowie, Ah Kow & Whitie

JolinG Doggyman Oct 2, 2003, 11:41 AM Views: 1171 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? its not your ENGERISH lar......its the way u expressed your opinions mar i geuss maybe u were expose to the wrong kind of ppl who consider themselves ethical homebreeders..but are in actualy fact.....backyard breeder/puppymill..... very subjective...the only way is.....if u really wan to get another pup....go to the breeders house take a good look at the condition of the place..thne decide for urself whehter u should buy from that fella or not loh.........up to individual rite? if there was no demand in puppy...they wont be a puppymill.....a lot of ppl still not aware mar....so ppl will still buy from puppymill..not knowing that they are supporting this trade..indirectly

sslee80 ALPHA Oct 2, 2003, 3:24 PM Views: 1170 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Ming yang, thanks for you encouraging words...will work hard for it. You bring your doggie for show right?? heh heh....who knows one day we will be competing with each other for BIS. Have a Great Day. Sean LEE

mochacappucino Enthusiast Oct 2, 2003, 9:39 PM Views: 1165 Re: [JolinG] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? What is a puppymill?! Like as in a "puppy factory"?! Hmm..... Regards, ~!@Mocha@!~ Come to the Chit Chat Thread with MochaCappucino @ the Chit Chat Section ! Or come join the Klang Division Thread !

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 2, 2003, 10:10 PM Views: 1162 Re: [JolinG] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? well, the thing is i did say 'some 'claims' to be homebreeder but is infact a backyard breeder' things sometimes is not that define. There is professional home breeder (the real case) and also there is those who is the 'claims' case. Lots of people does not know how to differenciate it btw both of them. Just like most of the people have not heard about puppymills before so, how do they know there is such a thing happening in the puppy market ? cheers, minglmy

JolinG Doggyman Oct 3, 2003, 1:53 AM Views: 1155 Re: [mochacappucino] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? yups something like puppy factory actually it is a puppy factory.... the dogs mostly mated heat after heat..producing sick pups most of the time lar..mother not enudd nutricent...puppies come out also sure sick sick lar

RealityDreamer Doggyman Oct 3, 2003, 10:16 AM Views: 1144 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? T"o me, people who does not know why they are breeding the dogs/pets then they would be consider as a backyard breeder.... coz they are not breeding with the sole purpose of IMPROVING the breed standard." hmmm....can't say i agree with you there.. so..if ur dog doesn't hv a good pedigree or does not hv something that can contribute to the breed, and you breed that dog.....are u considered a backyard breeder although u still care for the dog and only say, breed it once or twice in her life time? how bout the working dogs? there aren't many working dogs that conform to the standard...they're bred for their instincts.. "If you notice sometimes homebreeders do advertisement too (like website for example)... so we can't say that they only sell by the word of mouth n reputation at all." erm....how can home breeders rely on reputation? the dogs they hv are average dogs that may or may not conform to the standards, unless they hv a good temperament, then that's a different story. anyways,tht's just my 2 cents worth...no pun intended ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

minglmy Puppycom Veteran Oct 3, 2003, 9:42 PM Views: 1138 Re: [RealityDreamer] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Hi Chloe, like i say many - many times.... keep repeating myself all over again till tired n sien liao ! I think this will be the LAST post I will post on this topic... enuf is enuf ! The thing is it is very subjective on the words... some have different opinion from me and I'm not pushing my opinion to anyone here. If u dun agree then that's ur own prespective and I'm sure each individual have their very own opinion and reason on this issue....its FINE with me... my dog does not have a pedigree and I DUN plan to breed them. Why breed when you are not contributing to the breed standard ? the only thing at the end of the day you might be contributing at might be a future pups with some kind of disease.... because everyone think along the same line. breed ur dog for once or twice in his/her lifetime. Caring for the dog does not means that you have to breed them at all. The reason I feel this way its because if you have seen puppies who is sick with skin disease, hip problem, cancer, badly infected mange and etc due to genetic then you would know how it feels like to have a happy cute puppy giving you a sad pained filled eye look while all the other puppies is happily jumping n playing by the side. Some pups have to put down to sleep because of genetic health problems and suffer for their short life during the time. Good temprement and having good health is different. I'm NOT saying that homebreeder rely on reputation... (I'm answering to tyler's post lar... read his then mine) cheers, minglmy (This post was edited by minglmy on Oct 3, 2003, 9:44 PM)

mochacappucino Enthusiast Oct 3, 2003, 10:57 PM Views: 1134 Re: [JolinG] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? To me I don't think I have the expertise to identify genetic defects in a dog. I will get myself the dog if I have the capacity to do so and as long as the dog seems to be healthy (active, as in not like 'bed-ridden'). My Mocha has mange problems, but I adopted her anyway because she is cute and I like her. Now her mange problem is "under control" and she is always happy to see me home from work. Always wanted to wake me up from sleep in the morning, just that she couldn't jump up to the bed (too high up)... hehehe... Very funny, always jumping up to lick my face ! But as it was pointed out earlier, it's always a good thing not to breed if your dog is unhealthy or up to the breed standard. Most people will welcome a healthy dog rather than an unhealthy one. It's just common sense. So, the backyard breeding has to stop. Breed only if you know what you are doing!!! Regards, ~!@Mocha@!~ Come to the Chit Chat Thread with MochaCappucino @ the Chit Chat Section ! Or come join the Klang Division Thread !

JolinG Doggyman Oct 3, 2003, 11:35 PM Views: 1132 Re: [mochacappucino] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? backyard breeder will never stop....unless ppl STOP buying those puppies( which will never happen) so...its really hard for us to stop backyard breeders............dun tell me everyday stand infront of petshop n tell potentail customers 'dun buyyyy the puppies dun buy' meh? bit silly... its a vicious cycle of demand for cheap puppies.....and puppymills producing those puppies.....whether sick or healthy.... and i agree with realitydreamer......they are not breeding to improve the genetic stock of the breed..merely breed just for the sake of money.........

mochacappucino Enthusiast Oct 4, 2003, 1:29 AM Views: 1127 Re: [JolinG] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Petshops do backyard breeding too?! Regards, ~!@Mocha@!~ Come to the Chit Chat Thread with MochaCappucino @ the Chit Chat Section ! Or come join the Klang Division Thread !

JolinG Doggyman Oct 4, 2003, 11:11 AM Views: 1120 Re: [mochacappucino] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? some petshops take in puppies from backyard breeders.

RealityDreamer Doggyman Oct 4, 2003, 6:01 PM Views: 1119 Re: [minglmy] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? hi, didn't mean to frustrate u tht way...sorry ya? ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ (_o_)

Elly ALPHA Oct 5, 2003, 10:32 AM Views: 1114 Re: [mochacappucino] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Definately agree with Joling....is really hard to stop all the backyard breeders! But hey, if one day you manage to stop one, plssssssss inform us. We will give you a "title" in the puppycom book of records! For being the savior of all.

mochacappucino Enthusiast Oct 6, 2003, 6:02 PM Views: 1105 Re: [Elly] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? What title? Like "TheOne"?! Hehehe.... Regards, ~!@Mocha@!~ Come to the Chit Chat Thread with MochaCappucino @ the Chit Chat Section ! Or come join the Klang Division Thread !

Elly ALPHA Oct 6, 2003, 7:30 PM Views: 392 Re: [mochacappucino] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Eerrr......can also lah if you want to. Hello...."TheOne"

mochacappucino Enthusiast Oct 6, 2003, 7:40 PM Views: 389 Re: [Elly] Where would you consider getting your next pet from ? Why like that?! I was just joking... Bad joke?! Regards, ~!@Mocha@!~ Come to the Chit Chat Thread with MochaCappucino @ the Chit Chat Section ! Or come join the Klang Division Thread !