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Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.



bomberZ
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Jun 21, 2003, 2:24 AM


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Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hi guys,

no often to the retriever owner, just want to let people know that Cocker Spaniel(English/American) is the smallest gundog.

hehehee..

come cocker owner..let our voice be heard here.

tell them how many different creature your cocker manage to "flush" out from the bush around the corner. hahahahaha



just trying to have fun!

bomberZ


eli
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Jun 21, 2003, 4:44 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

my cocker spaniel mix puppy (3-mth-old) has so far "flushed" out water from the water dish!

and bec she keeps nipping at my other 2 grown dogs, she's also managed to "flush" out their inner irritated selves! :-)


RealityDreamer
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Jun 21, 2003, 5:29 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

lol

Well, Silky's a mix cocker spaniel but she has the instinct embeded in her. Smile

She'll get so excited when she hears "Where is it??" She automatically go into Gundog mode and start sniffing like mad.Wink Usually she'll flush out cats, squirrels ,weasels ,frogs, moles(rats?) and other weird 'wildlife' I have never seen before.Cool

Eli, do you have a picture of your adorable pup?Smile
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bomberZ
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Jun 23, 2003, 6:23 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hi people,

yupyup.. eli do u have any picture of your doggy? how about realityDreamer, picture?

as for my Boo, so far he manage to flush out toad,cat and a bat from bush. really dont know how the bat got into that bush.. anyway when ever he manage to flush something out he will have fun chasing and barking at that area whether or not there is still anything left there. what gundog mood? Boo gundog mood is sniff with body strech all the way and hindleg ready to jump back anytime. i actually seen him jump back about 4 ft!

i thought there are a few more cocker owner here... where r u guys/gals?

bomberZ


RealityDreamer
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Jun 23, 2003, 10:41 PM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

wow..that's quite high for a cocker!

Silky's the same when she finds something too...bark and bark and bark till I give the command to leave it (reluctantly though)Wink

There's another picture in the gallery under Mixed Breed. Smile

I'm in the USJ area. Quite alot of Cockers here. A couple of cavaliers too.

How bout a pic of your handsome dog too?
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bomberZ
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Jun 24, 2003, 1:21 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hi realitydreamer,

not 4 ft height, but 4 ft BACK. eeemm.. is more like long jump backward instead of forward.

as for jumping over hurdle, he is currently jumping about 3-4 inches higher than his height. i am using hurdle jumping as a form of exercise to make sure he have enuff exercise everyday beside his walk.

http://photos.yahoo.com/...a//photos.yahoo.com/

i havent posted anything to the photo gallery cos havent get respond back from the webadmin. u can view them in my photoalbum in yahoo.

bomberZ


eli
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Jun 24, 2003, 4:07 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

ya, i've got pebbles' pix but haven't gotten around to scanning them. will post as soon as i can.
she was white at birth, turned biege already and may get more tan later.
still trying to figure out who her pa-py is cos her mummy's owner only told us he's white and small-sized.Wink


RealityDreamer
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Jun 24, 2003, 6:54 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Smile3-4 inches above their height is good for any dog. Silky's a lil over weight..can't seem to lose the weight no matter what. So she's still jumping at shoulder height only.The usual A-frame too steep for her..lol.

Boo has a very beautiful coat Smile

Btw,where are you from? Is that you in the pic?
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bomberZ
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Jun 24, 2003, 4:57 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

i am from OUG. i am 1 in of the picture and there are some picture of Boo with my wife too.

A frame,Boo havent try A frame.. i wonder do we have any agility course available here in Klang Valley?

btw where did your Silky get to try out the A-frame?



bomberZ


RealityDreamer
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Jun 24, 2003, 10:17 PM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

I'm wondering abt that too...I only know that the have agility training..but the class is full alreadyUnsure

I built the A-frame myself...too high for her so had to adjust.Tongue
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edser
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Jun 27, 2003, 8:45 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hello!!! i've been looking for spaniel owner in this board for long time. finally found it Cool

anyway about a month ago a bought Zeno an american "black" cocker. he is very adorable and cute although he is a bit naughty sometime. he like to play with his big brother Enzo a min schnauzer.

i would like to share and learn from cocker owner. its very nice to meet u guys and here is my little cocker spaniel pic Sly



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owns Enzo, then Zeno, now Zoe'n.....later Nezo,Ozne, Noze, Zone, Ezno, Onze, Zeon etc. anymore?
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RealityDreamer
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Jun 30, 2003, 7:33 AM


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Re: [edser] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Zeno and Enzo are sooooooooooooo cute!!!!!!SmileSmile

They look adorable.

It's cool the way played around with the alphabets in e-n-z-o and came up with another nameSmile very unique
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cherygan
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Jul 7, 2003, 7:24 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hi hi, i just bought a ACS too, black color,female.
Just named her Liang Liang. Hope to bring her to gathering soon Tongue


YYY MouMou & WangWang & Byron & LiangLiang & Young & LuLu - Love 'em all YYY


RealityDreamer
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Jul 7, 2003, 10:26 PM


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Re: [cherygan] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Congrats on ur new pup!

How old is Liang Liang now? Will she be old enough to go to the next gathering?

Do you have a pic of the lil' sweetie now that u can attach?
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cherygan
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Jul 7, 2003, 11:56 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Yeah! i cant wait to bring my new pups to gathering too,but she's too young. She's only 2 months and on her 2nd jab.
Will try to post pic of her asap.Tongue


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RealityDreamer
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Jul 8, 2003, 5:33 AM


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Re: [cherygan] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

That's too bad..was looking forward to seeing a new addition to the cocker group.Unsure

Just saw Enzo(Zeno??) sorry got mixed up! he was sooooooooo cute. Looks more adorable in real life. He was quietly sitting in the bag while serena was carrying him around. Smile
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vicfion
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Nov 23, 2003, 6:23 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Here are my Cockers' photo to share... Fiona
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vicfion
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Nov 23, 2003, 6:24 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Here's another one... Fiona
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vicfion
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Nov 23, 2003, 6:26 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Here's their puppies borned on April 11 2000 and I kept one of their son... can check out my website when free at www.geocities.com/amomentwithfion Fiona
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vicfion
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Nov 23, 2003, 7:50 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Phew.. I wish they have just 1 message allows to attached as many photos as I can... So many to share "la"... Fiona
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viesta16
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Nov 29, 2003, 12:54 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hello guys!! i'm quite new here, registered around one month. i've ACS, she's 5mths now...but dunno y she's so skinny compare to urs, though her face is very very cute! any recommendation.....and also to take care of her coat. she doesnt have much fur....

she seldom bark, not even once a day, only whining when she wants to pee/poo or wanna come out from the crate...anyway, she runs very fast.......sometimes cannot catch her...
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KCChoi
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Jan 7, 2004, 1:26 AM


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Re: [bomberZ] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi All,

I live in a flat so Goopie (my Cocker Spaniel) doesn't really have much opportunity to hunt for the kind of animals you guys mentioned. But this has not been a deterrent for her instincts as a gundog. She's almost eliminated the house of all the house lizards and she has a nose for cockroaches.Unsure

And she is not one to give up easily.
KC


melissa
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Jan 9, 2004, 6:51 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi all
I hv a ECS too Laugh! She love to play 'hide and search' and she can find the stuff even I hide inside a shoe box.

But I dun like her to chase against the lizard, eventually the poor cicak will not able to survive Pirate.



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KCChoi
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Feb 18, 2004, 12:33 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

The thing I realised about Goopie is that she has persistence. She has the spirit of not giving up until she's got what she wanted. And she could turn the place upside-down searching for an insect. And she does this even in the middle of the night. That's why there are so few lizards at home now... Crazy

Cheers
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melissa
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Feb 18, 2004, 5:53 AM


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Re: [KCChoi] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Gigi got the same character too Tongue!



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lik wei
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Mar 26, 2004, 10:58 PM


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Re: [viesta16] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

I have an ACS too, his character is also quite similar as what all of you have mentioned in this topic. Really cool ...........Smile

Dear Viesta,

My dog has a quite looks- a- like face as yours but his coat is more brownish! Where are you staying? Hopefully, we can get them to meet up some day!!!


melissa
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Mar 26, 2004, 11:33 PM


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Re: [lik wei] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi All cocker lovers!

I just wonder if all of your cockers are independent or like to stick to owner?

My Gigi like to stick to human, if we leave her alone, she will howl Pirate.



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viesta16
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Mar 27, 2004, 12:15 AM


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Re: [lik wei] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hello Lik Wei,

i stay around Bandar Utama, what about you? in fact i've sent Mocha for OB this sem, so we can meet up ther i you join as well. if not, jst let me knw where u wanna meet them up.


lik wei
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Mar 27, 2004, 9:27 PM


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Re: [viesta16] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Dear Viesta,

Well, I did not join the OB with my dog.......

I am staying in Bukit Jalil and I am alright during weekend. You may call for the venue & time. I think Daniel would like to meet his furkids with your as well (saw his message in another topic). Can be together, right?? More fun!!!


viesta16
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Mar 30, 2004, 6:52 PM


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Re: [lik wei] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hello,

is it confinience for you to meet me at Padang Merbok, this Sunday, at around 6? mocha will finish her class by then. provided not raining. :)

btw, you can contact me at 0126596487

cindy


lik wei
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Apr 1, 2004, 5:25 AM


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Re: [viesta16] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Dear Cindy,

Unfortunately, I will be going back to Ipoh for this weekend. Anyway, will contact you again for arrangement. This time is the fist time I will bring cookie (my ACS) back, he must be very excited for this long journey. Share wih you guys again ............


viesta16
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Apr 2, 2004, 12:01 AM


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Re: [lik wei] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

no problem, we can arrange next time.

safe journey!


pei02
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Jun 8, 2004, 5:36 AM


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Re: [viesta16] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Anybody!!! any gathering for cocker?


daniel
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Jun 8, 2004, 10:17 AM


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Re: [lik wei] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

wow what a coincedence.. there is another daniel with cockers ShockedShockedShocked

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minglmy
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Jun 9, 2004, 6:25 PM


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Re: [pei02] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

u organise one then got lor Tongue

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Jun 9, 2004, 6:26 PM


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Re: [daniel] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

eh friend so early still asleep yet ar ?

cheers,
minglmy


daniel
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Jun 10, 2004, 4:43 AM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

no sleep so early wan lah. Me on standy mode 24 hours a day... thats why when you see me in the afternoon i look very stone.. but actualy i not stone i just on standby mode... hahahahhaha

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minglmy
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Jun 10, 2004, 5:53 AM


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Re: [daniel] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

stone means stone lar.... no need to find excuse one Tongue

cheers,
minglmy


daniel
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Jun 12, 2004, 1:34 AM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

i only look stone but i'm alert as a cocker i know what is happening around wan... heheheheheTongue

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minglmy
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Jun 14, 2004, 8:13 AM


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Re: [daniel] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

ceh ! say only ar ? hehhehhehe

cheers,
minglmy


dogslover
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Jun 27, 2004, 6:01 PM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

To all C.S.friend

i ws frm Penang and i ws new here.I consider tht y my ACS will change its colour?Whn i bought it frm pet shop it ws all black,but y now she been change it colour ????????

Now my new ACS which name BELLE she change her colour 2 chocolate.Y will it like tht?Is tht cz of vitamin problem or it will follow her mother gene............

Both of my dogs thy dt like 2 ply wth my ACS i had no idea wth tht and she ws so weakness.A week had 2 went 2 Vet 4 twice.I ws sad whn she ws sick again.Can anyone tell me tht y my ACS will b so weak?

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sasa
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Jun 27, 2004, 10:53 PM


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Re: [vicfion] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Fiona,

this is sasa from OUG. I hv an idea in my mind Blush since u hv owned several healthy ECS wth u all these years, I would like to check out if i can buy a home breed ECS puppy from u next time in future. i m willing put my trust on a ECS expert than a breeder/trader. My preference is blue/yellow roan (non solid color). can reach me by email: sasa_tan246@yahoo.com.sg

Hope to hear from u soon.

cheers,sasa
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dogslover
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Jun 28, 2004, 3:44 AM


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Re: [viesta16] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

to:viesta

I ws frm Penang whr r frm.i ws also new here.i also got a ACS,mine 1 she ws so craZ,she jst like a mad dog whn i feed her.

She run s fast s she can and i had no idea wth it{cn u ppl let me knw if u knw tht] thx..........

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vicfion
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Jun 28, 2004, 5:13 AM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Gosh, I do hate to dissapoint you because 2 of my Cockers are already neautered... However the father, have not been neautered yet and have no intention to because of the weight problem I realise from the son who is the thinner of them all and all of the sudden so fat after neautered.... Unless you can find a female ECS and if it is a success mating, I will be happy to give you one.... hehehehehe.. I am so so sorry having to dissapoint you at this point... Actually me no expert "la" Blush Just give them love and care... Now the father is sick with an awful cough somemore... Doctor gave him medicine and I don't find him coughing a lot already... See me no expert "la"... My dog get sick also.... I do hope in any other way, I can help you to get your ECS one day... Fiona


sasa
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Jun 29, 2004, 5:06 AM


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Re: [vicfion] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hm... like that ar, never mind lar Tongue

Actually i have one contact fr Star Classifields. This guy who is fr Klang offer me RM650 for ESC pup wth MKA cert, RM500 for pup without cert (all good price right?) Beside ECS, he also provide other doggie like Shih Tzu, German Shepherd, Labrador & etc... Anyone out there know about this multiple breeder? He told me his name is Alvin.

yup i admit he do give me a good (or cheap???) price but i just wonder shd i try my luck ar? Unsure Need some advise.

Thank You.

cheers, sasa
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vicfion
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Jun 29, 2004, 5:35 AM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Sorry yeah...
Actually all these are like trying luck only.. You never know one.. I don't know the person lo.. But I only trust a breeder name Susan Chong but not sure where is she now... No contact with her.. I was told usually home breeder is better lo... Anybody out there have better advice do let Sasa know..... :)
I got mine for $800 with cert from pe tshop... $750 with cert from the breeder in 1998.. I heard nowadays people don't breed ECS... Only like to breed AEC because too many out there already wo.... I was actually told by someone but I don't know the market out there as I never intent to be breeder ma.... But good thing to know lo if not like now so half past six answerin yu lo.. Sorry coudn't be any help to you... Fiona


melissa
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Jun 30, 2004, 2:30 AM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi sasa

I guess the guy that you mentioned is a commercial breeder who breeds puppies solely for money because he breeds different type of dogs Shocked!!

Can you tell us more why you choose to own an ECS? Like fion said, ACS is more pupular nowsday compare with ECS Unsure.

BTW, almost forget to introduce my ECS to you Sly, her name is gigi and now she is 4 years old. Can call the twin to Fion's ECS - baby Tongue!



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Jun 30, 2004, 6:05 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hav many own black colour one ACS ???




sasa
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Jun 30, 2004, 7:16 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Dear Fiona n Melissa,

Here's the three major reasons why i wanna keep ESC:-

A) LIVING ENVIRONMENT -- I stay wth my parents in a Double Storey Link House which offer a limited space (if i hv enough space available then i will go for English Springer Spaniel or Doberman)

B) AN OUTDOOR PET -- My parents don't allow me to keep any indoor pet Frown (otherwise i will consider Shih Tzu)

C) OUTLOOK APPEARANCE -- Good looking doggie wth high intelligence

p/s: and some more, i am so sorry, so sorry to say that i always feel "unnatural & artificial" wth ASC n Poodle, don't stone me, please....... Tongue

cheers, sasa
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melissa
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Jun 30, 2004, 5:41 PM


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Re: [ditto] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

HI Ditto

Mine is a ECS, didn't know anyone that own a black ACS, sorry for couldn't help Unsure.

BTW, are you owning a black ACS?



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melissa
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Jun 30, 2004, 6:26 PM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi sasa

Before owning a poodle, I have the same thinking as you too, poodle is just too "unnatural & artificial" AngelicPirate, I told myself I will never ever raise a poodle in my life Wink.

But after studying this breed carefully, I discover that it is indeed a perfect indoor pet to keep especially when you want to keep an indoor dog but you have kids around you Wink.

I guess the reason why we feel poodles are so artificial is because of their hairstyle CrazyAngelic. I also dislike the 'pom pom' style but we have a choice to keep whatever hairstyle that we want Wink to make this breed as good looking as we can Cool.

ECS is a great companion dog (happy go lucky) and intelligent too. The only problem bother me so much is this breed does shed Unsure I got to work extra hard to vacuum my floor everyday as I keep my gigi indoor.

Pls open the jpeg file below, it is my gigi's photo taken recently Smile!



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daniel
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Jul 1, 2004, 1:18 AM


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Re: [dogslover] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

i think the pet shop never bathe the dog so after you take home and you clean the dog, the dog become brown lor..

I have 2 acs. one is black and the other is black tan. both of them sleep at my bed room door. if at night i wanna go toilet and shee shee and i no turn on light i will step on them cos they very very black.

i have not come across any "lat sik" cocker before so cannot answer you.maybe you have picture of your dog you can post here then we can have a look.

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sasa
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Jul 1, 2004, 6:46 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Laugh wow.......... melissa i am really envy you lar Tongue u own a yellow roan (one of my preference color composition) ECS. How i wish i can have a same one wth u. When come to ESC, I will prefer blue roan or yellow roan instead of solid gold or black one but so Unimpressed Unsure Frown the breeder fr Klang only able provide me solid gold color... Nevermind i still got plenty of time to search the right color one. so do pray for me Tongue

cheers, sasa

p/s: yup u are right. i feel guilty wth those "stupid" hairstyle that make Poodle look Crazy Crazy
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dogslover
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Jul 1, 2004, 7:14 AM


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Re: [daniel] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

thx 4 ur reply.Sory bout tht cz nw i din hv my acs photo yet myb i'll b post 2 u whn i got it...nice 2 meet u ,my name is Ming i ws frm Penang.....cn u shw me urs?


melissa
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Jul 1, 2004, 7:54 PM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi sasa

Ya, ppl told that it is very hard to find yellow roan ECS but I have a few friends including Fion's baby also in this colour Wink.

No hurry, choose carefully and select the best pup out of the best Tongue!



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edser
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Jul 2, 2004, 10:48 AM


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Re: [ditto] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hello, hi mingyan too!!

Well like you see we own a black ACS name Zeno! He is a lovely baby and he is growing into an adult quite fast and yet we found it slightly slow! do you own an ACS too???Blush



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sasa
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Jul 4, 2004, 8:40 PM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Melissa & Fiona

Arigato gozaimatsu...for those good advice. i intend to bring in a ECS pup only after my mom retired on this Sep/Oct. if let say i dun hv other choise and hv to go to Klang to collect pup, would u mind to go wth me? Blush cos i need some expect who can really help me to pick up a healthy pup. I afraid of kena tipu. My sister will go with me anyway.

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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi sasa
hehehe, can be arranged and I'm sure Fion is love to help you as well as she is such a helpful lady TongueWink!

BTW, pls look for more choices, do avoid buying from a commercial breeder. If I'm not mistaken, Minyang would be able to help as she knows some breeders in town. Ming Yang, pls correct me if I'm wrong, ok Wink?



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Jul 10, 2004, 9:08 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi, Melissa

I visited a petshop (look clean & wth air-con) of Sunway Mentari Business Park yesterday evening and found out there are two ECS puppies put on for sale. Oh, My goodness i was really get Crazy n Laugh ... While i stepped in the shop and immediately my eyes was catched by these two jump up n down small baby. They are very cute indeed. one is Yellow+White, another one is Blue Roan. All 8-week old and without cert. RM799 / neg each. They all look healthy and act active especially the Blue Roan one who make so much noise. Since it was quite hard to get ECS in this color range in M'sia, i almost out of control n wanna place a deposit to make an order... but one thing stop me. u know what? hehe, i saw another guy who is a worker also come forwad me and his hand ... hehe...hold a cigarette... ???? see, how could it be ar? smoking in a air-con room ar????? Those evil-smelling will kill those puppies and rabbits lar... what a pity Frown

without saying anything i left the shop quickly...
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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Sas

luckily you din buy from him Mad, dun know whether those pups are from puppy millers or not Crazy!



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Re: [dogslover] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

my dogs picture is in this thread. you can go there and see.



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Re: [daniel] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi, glad to meet another lack ACS owner!! Just wonder if our furkids came from a similar family thread???Wink



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Re: [sasa, melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Sasa & Melissa,

I do know of an ECS breeder. Infact I got my Lightning from him Smile. Lightning's daughter is currently in the showring doing pretty well. For ECS blue roan in colour is really very rare in Malaysia indeed. Lightning's parents was imported by this friend of mine himself and he is very careful in breeding them so if you are seriously in looking for a blue roan ECS let me know ya. I can intro my friend to you.

You can check out Lightning's picture in the below link :

http://photogallery.pets2u.com.my/...p;cat=500&page=1

http://photogallery.pets2u.com.my/...p;cat=509&page=1

http://photogallery.pets2u.com.my/...p;cat=509&page=1

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Jul 13, 2004, 6:51 PM


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Re: [edser] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

helo.....

how r u doing girl ? hope that ur kids are fine now... Smile

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Jul 13, 2004, 6:53 PM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

SmileHi Melissa,

How have u been doing ? hope that everything is well with u ... long time didn't chat with u already. how's ur kids doing ? btw, when r u due ar ? boy or girl ? hehehehe lots of Q ! sorry for the late reply i was outstation for abt 2 1/2 weeks and didnt really have time to check thru the site only follow the few thread and replying posts Smile

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Re: [All] English Cocker Spaniel Coat Colour and Patterns

Hi All,

Found a write-ups on English Cocker about their Coat Colour and patterns to distinguish the differences between roans, solid, ticking patter, open marked pattern and tan.

This is a very useful as most of us in malaysia only see few of the colours available in the market compare to the wide range they have over there.

Have fun reading and distinguish our own cocker belongs to which group ya ! Wink




INTRODUCTION :

"Color. Various. Parti-colors are either clearly marked, ticked or roaned, the white appearing in combination with black, liver or shades of red. In parti-colors it is preferable that solid markngs be broken on the body and more or less evenly distributed; absence of body markings in acceptable. Solid colors are black, liver or shades of red. White feet on a solid are undesirable; a little white on throat is acceptable; but in neither case do these white markings make the dog a parti-color. Tan markings, clearly defined and of rich shade, may appear in conjunction with blacks, livers and parti-color combinations of those colors. Black and tans and liver and tans are considered solid colors." - Official Breed Standard for The English Cocker Spaniel, approved by the American Kennel Club, October 11, 1988
"Color. Various." The photograph above aptly shows that there are a variety of colors available in the English Cocker Spaniel.
English Cocker Spaniels are colorful but the outcome of those colors comes from a wide range of genes. These genes combine to determine two things - the coat color (black, red and liver) and the coat patterns (solid and parti-color.) Particolor is further broken down to "roan", "ticked", and "open marked" in order of dominance.
All of these factors are due to a recognized color series (loci, that is, locations on the chromosomes) in dogs. The generally recognized color series' are A(agouti), B (brown), C (Chinchilla series), D (blue dilution) E (extension which is responsible for red color in English Cockers), G (graying), M (merle), R (roaning), S (white spotting) and T (ticking.) In most cases multiple loci will work together so several different genes can be used in combination to produce a color. A gene may even mask the presence of another gene.
In genetics there is Phenotype, or how the dog looks physically, and Genotype, the genetic makeup of the dog, which may or may not be totally expressed in the phenotype. In addition, there are genes which are more dominant than others and are thus called Dominant (which are represented in charts with a Capital letter) and others which are not as strong in expression which are called Recessive (which are represented in charts with a Lowercase letter). Each dog receives one set of genes from each parent. It is the combination of these many genes which are responsible for not only coat color but ear length, darkness and shape of eyes and the dog's entire conformation and quite often health as well.
Take a look below at the variety of colors available in English Cocker Spaniels. Short descriptions of how the genes work give an idea of how these colors and coat patterns have been recorded in the genotype. Many of our understandings about color genetics come from a book by Clarence C. Little titled The Inheritance of Coat Color in Dogs. Today, researchers are still trying to answer many questions about dominance relationships, new alleles, gene series, modifying factors, etc. Additionally, coat color can also be affected by conditions in the womb. There is not yet a definitive understanding of coat color.



Colors

Loci in Coat Color



Black and Liver. For English Cockers this loci is B, the brown series. The series allows the production of black pigment. The genes for black (B) and liver (b) are the same gene with black being dominant. A bb dog produces brown pigment wherever the dog would have produced black, affecting not only coat color but also the color of the skin, eye rims and nose.


Red. The gene for red is not the same as the gene for black and liver. The loci is E, the extension series. This series includes Ed (dominant black), E (normal extension) and e (recessive red.) Thus, a red is produced by having two (ee) recessive red genes. The skin and eye color generally show through normally but some ee dogs will show reduced pigment on the nose. They also seems to be more heavily affected by any gene modifier that reduces pigment. Solid reds have something like a 30% higher chance of retaining white on their face than black or liver puppies do, and red/orange parti-colors tend to have more overall extension of white than black or liver do.
If a dog carries E, the dominant gene for "no red", it will be black coated (unless it also carries the two recessive genes for liver, in which case it will be liver coated.)

Red/Orange in Parti Colors. The same loci (ee) recessive red will produce a red in the parti colors that appears lighter. It is then registered as orange. Although, the loci is the same (B, ee) they will be registered as orange in parti colors. Occasionally the red will be darker like an Irish Setter or Welsh Springer Spaniel. In these cases, the parti-color will be either red roan or red and white.


Lemon and Golden. Lemon, a light orange, can appear almost yellow or buff. Lemon is a red/orange dog (ee) that also has the loci for liver (bb.) So a lemon must have have two recessives, the one that gives the red color (ee) and the one that gives the liver color (bb.) The two recessives lighten the coat color to lemon. There are other genetic factors such as the "chincilla" gene and genetic modifiers that act together with the liver gene to cause the yellow markings. A genetically solid lemon will be registered in English Cocker Spaniels as either a red (who has a liver nose) or golden. A lemon with any other coat pattern will be registered with "lemon" in the name such as lemon roan.

An important fact to remember is that these color factors are at work in solids, roans and parti-colors English Cocker Spaniels the same way. Coat patterns are determined separately.

Solid Pattern



The solid coat pattern is determined by the loci S, solid color. This is the normal gene in breeds without white markings. An SS dog can completely lack white, but it can also express very minor white markings such as a white streak on the chest. Since S, solid color is dominant, a solid can carry for parti-color, but a parti-color cannot carry for solid. A solid carrying two genes for solid can only produce solid and bred to a parti-color will only result in solid color puppies, but all those puppies will be carriers for parti-color. If a solid that carries a gene for parti-color is bred to a parti-color, some puppies will be solids and some will be partis, but all the solids will carry for parti-color. Black

Liver

Red

Golden


Roan Pattern

Roan Pattern. The loci is R, roan. The nature of the coat pattern and the progressive development of dark hair in a light area is unclear and still in debate. Roan is defined as "having the base color (as red, black, or brown) muted and lightened by a mixture of white hairs."
Roan (R) appears to be dominant to (rr) non-roan, i.e. open marks. Roan can carry for open marks, but open marks cannot carry for roan.

Blue Roan

Liver Roan

Orange Roan

Red Roan

Lemon Roan


Ticking Pattern

Ticking Pattern. Open marked colors may also have "ticking" in the coat. Ticking are flecks of color in areas where the coat would have been white. When ticking occurs between patches, they are registered as color, white and ticked. The loci is T, ticking. T (ticking) is dominant over (t) lack of ticking. The amount and location of ticking are greatly affected by genes for size, shape and density of the ticking.
There is disagreement on whether ticking is the same as roaning or not. Both can occur on the same dog, although roaning plus open marks doesn't.
Black, White and Ticked





Open Marked Pattern

Open Marked Pattern. An open marked dog will lack ticking or roaning in the coat. An open marked dog will have clear white between patches. When ticking occurs between patches, they are not truly open marked but registered color, white, and ticked. Lack of ticking (tt) is recessive to roan and ticking. So, a roan can carry for open marks, but open marks cannot carry for roan.
Black and White

Liver and White

Orange and White

Red and White


Tan Markings

One more look at coat color - Tan Markings. Any coat color or pattern can have tan markings which will appear on the muzzle, over the eyes, on the chest, on the legs and under the tail. The tan is loci (A) Agouti with the allele being (at). Parti-colors can also be (at) but the coat pattern will remain the same.
Tan is recessive. So, a dog which is itself tan must have recieved the (at) loci from both parents. A dog may produce a tan without showing tan marking if it has recieved one (at) from a parent and is mated to another dog with the (at) as well.
Can a red or orange have tan marking? Yes. A red or orange that is the product of two tan-marked parents carries two genes for tan. Therefore it is genetically a "red and tan" or "orange roan and tan" but phenotypically, it is not observed.
Black and Tan

Blue Roan and Tan

Black, White and Tan

Black, White, Ticked
and Tan

Liver and Tan


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(This post was edited by minglmy on Jul 13, 2004, 7:06 PM)


sasa
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Jul 14, 2004, 4:17 PM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

My budget is around RM650. pure bred. do u think i really can get one fr ur friend with this price range? Blush that's why i only go for normal home breed one instead of Commercial Breeder or Petshop which cost higher, see? ...
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Jul 15, 2004, 8:11 AM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

umm... purebreed RM 650 ? then ur looking into those without cert right ? not sure abt my friend though... but getting outside purebreed at cheap price doesn't means that u can get a 100 % healthy pup u know anyway let me ask my breeder friend lar... he might or might not have a litter anytime soon anyway - me nto sure. As for the pricing... if he got, might want to find really GOOD homes for the doggies so maybe if he is interested might want to interview lor n such. let me ask 1st ya. he is not in KL at the moment... oversea so will get back to u soon.Smile

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Jul 15, 2004, 10:37 PM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Mingyang

ya, haven't chat with u so long edi Frown and never got the chance to visit you to buy doggies stuff in Sri Hartamas too. You know what is the reason larCrazy, now I'm moving like a lazy snake FrownBlush. My due date is middle of Oct and she is a girl.

Since gigi doesn't has a cert, what's your opinion har? Is she Red and white or Orange and whiteCrazy? I trimmed her fur shorter especially the fur in the legs and belly, easy to take care Blush.



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Jul 15, 2004, 10:44 PM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Sasa

Then have you ever think of adoption? That might cost you a few hundred or even F.O.C Wink.

Few months ago, my friend wanted to give away her ECS FOC (red roan colour) and I was helping her to find an owner. However in the end, my friend decided to keep her, otherwise I can introduce you to her Wink.



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sasa
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Jul 16, 2004, 4:13 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Melissa, Fiona & minglmy,

I have a girlfriend who keep 8 (cross bred from PAWS) + 1 (Golden Retriver which she bought fr outside) = 9 dogs at the same time. All doggie are being well taken, served by dog food n got medical check up also. I think she is showing a perfect example as DOG LOVER indeed. yup u r right, i might be end up with make an adoption at PAWS since this lady try her very hard to brain wash me. I know all doggie are cute and adorable but i will be more happy if i able to keep my dream dog... see how lar... now only July, still got plenty of time to go...

p/s: giving birth on Oct? first baby ya? CONGRATULATIONS SmileCool
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minglmy
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Jul 16, 2004, 6:28 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Mama to be :)

Mid of Oct huh so its getting to be pretty near now... girl is good... i like girl they are cuter Angelic and less of a trouble maker than boys Tongue

Gigi looks nice in the photo. I think she is more of a Red and White than Orange and white

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Jul 16, 2004, 5:42 PM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Mingyang

I also think that she is red and white Wink because she is more brownish instead of orange colour Crazy.

Gigi is definitely taller than lightning, what is the standard and max high for an ECS or ACS?

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Jul 16, 2004, 5:48 PM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Sasa

Ya... understand how you feel. Dun be hurry, carefully select the breed that you want rather than feeling regret after adopting a oneCrazy.



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Jul 16, 2004, 5:53 PM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

standard height for ecs and acs is different.... hmm, not so sure abt that lemme check out the website then i'll let u know ya.

btw, dun worry too much yea... everything will be fine for you Smile

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daniel
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Jul 17, 2004, 7:57 AM


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Re: [edser] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

dunno lah.. one day put both of them together and see lah. your one girl or boy ah??

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Jul 17, 2004, 6:13 PM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Coolhi ming yan,

we are all fine indeed!! things is progressing and hope soon i will be able to see you there!!! the kids is feeling a bit down coz mama and papa has less time to take them out for thier outings but overall they have been great!!!! some time thay have me spending full days with them but sometimes thay have to home alone!!! well, no shopping so far and i think Enzo miss being dressed up!!! You know!! the fashion boy!!! Well how are you?? How is the kiddos???Send my regards yaBlush



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Jul 17, 2004, 6:17 PM


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Re: [daniel] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Ya maybe one day ya!!Wink Zeno is a male black ACS!!! Veyr naughthy and i usually bring him out to his groomer and a bit of friend visits near Old Klang Road!! So maybe one day, All cocker spaniel owner may have a get together ya!!!!



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Jul 27, 2004, 8:24 AM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

hi sasa,

good news ! there is 2 blue roan english cocker available at your price range from my breeder friend and I can assure u that the pups will be from a reputable breeder.

i have send u a email just now... please reply me either way if ur still looking.

*if ur i wud say that its ur luck to get a purebreed with MKA with that price range too ! *

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minglmy


sasa
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Jul 28, 2004, 6:26 AM


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Re: [minglmy] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Thanks Ming Yang for your good effort. but i am sorry to let u know i oredi "own" a doggie since 18/07 (Sunday).... Blush

I've make an adoption from PAWS wth my girl friend n now this kasihan doggie was temporary being keep at my girl friend's factory (Sungai Buloh). This fella just simply won my heart during my first visitation at PAWS and to be honest to say i feel hopelessness wth his bad living condition n all of sudden i hv strong feel that i want to rescue him asap... Praise Lord this doggie now is doing fine at my friend's place. He ate a lot and bark a lot. Eveytime i pay him a visit (i drive to Sungai Buloh every 2-3 days after work) i feel peace and joy...

So Ming Yang, pls tell ur breeder friend that i hate to disappoint him. may be i can keep second doggie but it will only occur when i move out fr my current place.

p/s: no more "Gundog Group", pls get me at "Mixed Breed" next time ya.

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minglmy
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Jul 29, 2004, 6:12 AM


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Re: [sasa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

Hi Sasa,

I'm glad to hear that ! congrats ya !

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Nov 9, 2004, 5:53 AM


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Re: [melissa] Cocker Spaniel is a Gun dog too.

yoo guys & girls

i am new owner of a 2 mths old english cocker spaniel...

just 1 2 ask a stupid Q... wat doest u guys means gun dog?UnimpressedBlush

wat skill ur puppy got?

how to train them?