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butthead012 Novice Nov 10, 2008, 8:33 AM Views: 4409 Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Hi all, I'm new to dogs and just recently thought of getting a rottweiler. Will train it to be a guard dog for my house. The thing is I never had a dog before hope you guys can help me here, so I need advise for the following:- 1. How much did you pay for your rotti? with cert? Do you care? 2. You prefer male or female? Why? Any advantages? 3. How much exercise does a rotti need? Everyday park walk? or just small walk in my house garden is enough? 4. How much do training cost? like obedient / guard dog training? 5. How much do you spend on your rotti? for food, vet, toys, accessories, etc, Please tell me the average of your monthly cost. 6. How do you dispose their "poo" ??? To the drain? Bury them? or how? Want to know cos no experience Thanks in advance and I really need your advise and help before I really get one. (This post was edited by butthead012 on Nov 10, 2008, 8:38 AM)

junior81 Member Nov 10, 2008, 7:24 PM Views: 4388 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ why u think of rott dog? why not doberman, gsd?

butthead012 Novice Nov 11, 2008, 1:21 AM Views: 4382 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Thought of Rotti and GSD but decided to get Rotti because of shedding ... You have a rotti or any dogs? maybe you can advise me?

junior81 Member Nov 11, 2008, 2:48 AM Views: 4376 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ hm ya i have a puppy rott 8 months plus and one jrt one and half year... i am not expert and i am also at learning process whereby sometimes searching info on net and sharing opinion with all the members here.... normally is safe by purchasing a rott puppy with cert since u may knw its generation, where its from...and in terms of choosing a puppy normally ppl will choose big head, round head, big bones. more macho mar when grow up.... btw, there is some rott puppy for sales in puppy.com and is nice structure by looking at it...u can try to call the owner..... u can search at the puppy for sales forum... since it is the first time u wanna breed dog, why not u start from a small dogs?

butthead012 Novice Nov 11, 2008, 3:53 AM Views: 4374 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I like big dogs especially guard dogs... I don't like small dogs, because I want dogs that can be kept outside when they are adults... This weekend I'll be going to a breeders place and hopefully I can learn more from there... I really wanna know the price and how the dog looks like when it is adult. I also going to compare the GSD vs Rotti there, see which one is better~ hehe... Anyway, your rotti got cert? local breed? how much do you normally spend for your rotti? food + accessories + vet??? I need to figure out the budget first. Hope you can help.

PSY K9 Kaki Nov 11, 2008, 5:21 AM Views: 4371 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ First and foremost, there is a very large difference between a guard dog and watch dog. You have stated this is your first dog go for a female a very likely chance you may not be able to handle a male. If you are looking for breeder make sure they have only one breed of dog to offer, if they have more well.... they maybe a dog trader or millers. Have fun looking for one.

junior81 Member Nov 11, 2008, 6:58 PM Views: 4346 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ hm..ya it is with cert.... my rott since puppy already keep outside...i dun like dogs to be in my house... mine rott is local breed but his grandfather is from yugoslavia... i think nowadays rott here are mostly local breed... food..around RM160+..last for 3 to 4 weeks..... acceseries not much..toys...chain..leash....dog bowl...less than rm100 and its last...it it is not spoil..... vet....3 times injection since puppy each times rm40+.. heardguard..rm70 for per packet...one tablets per months...i forget how many tablets it has in one packet..but only feed him after 6 months... i dun send for grooming...i bath myself...and i dun cut his fur...short coat mar.. supplements..depends on what u want..glugosame or multivitamin... actually not much lor..after finish all injection every month u folk out rm200+ should be enuff to maintain...... training not included lar... rott is much more a ruff dog and you dun neglect its strengh.....if it is ur first time and u insists want to go for big guard dogs...why not golden retreiver...lab dog....or gsd....

butthead012 Novice Nov 11, 2008, 7:45 PM Views: 4342 Re: [PSY] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Yeah, I'll check a kennel this weekend hopefully it will turn out to be a good one...

butthead012 Novice Nov 11, 2008, 7:48 PM Views: 4341 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Thanks Junior on the update on the expenses for a month for food and stuff for a rotti... I think Rm100-200 is reasonable, I'm gonna get my rottie the average food... I still don't know how much they cost so I'll check them out this weekend too. As for getting a male or female, I think I'll get a female as from your advise and PSYs.... I'll keep u guys updated after the visit to kennels this weekend

boobee2005 Novice Nov 12, 2008, 8:23 PM Views: 4300 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Dear Butthead012, PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T BUY A ROTTWEILER YET. Ok, calming down...LOL please don't get a rottie if this is your 1st dog, as a rottie is a VERY strong dog in size, strength, character and determination. Please find out all you can on the breed before you make the mistake of buying one and finding out that you cannot handle it and end up locking it up all day & night or worse, turning it into a ferocious dog that even your family cannot handle. I'm not discouraging you from getting one but for a 1st timer, it is a difficult dog to handle as it is very strong-willed and very powerful but very lovable with the right owner & environment. It is not for you if you have small chidren and if you have little time to train your dog. I LOVE rotties and I want the best for this breed and their owners as there has been a lot of bad press on this breed. This breed was on the verge of being banned in this country due to irresponsible and ignorant people. This is my impassioned plea to you and all would-be rottie owners :- Please, if you are serious of wanting to own one, I would suggest you research on www.rottweiler.net for invaluable advice. Thank you

butthead012 Novice Nov 12, 2008, 8:36 PM Views: 4294 Re: [boobee2005] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Hey thanks for your advise, I know this rottie is harder to handle and its big. I've done research on the net and trying to get advise before really get one. That's why this thread is here for... This weekend I'll be going to a breeder to have a look at the pups and adults to see whether they are suitable.

boobee2005 Novice Nov 12, 2008, 8:53 PM Views: 4291 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Good for you! At least you're one of very few people bothered enough to do research but you're never really 'done' with research as it is ever on-going with new info/insights into the breed. Do go into the recommended site - it's eye-opening AND addictive. ROTTIES FOR EVER... REGARDS from a rottieholic...!

butthead012 Novice Nov 12, 2008, 11:01 PM Views: 4283 Re: [boobee2005] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I've done all the searches for Rottie online, quite useful and I think I need to know more about the real dog itself. Reading from the internet is just not as good as seeing the real Rottie Anyway thanks for your advise to check through internet... I really need someone who can answer my questions on the first post. hehe

boobee2005 Novice Nov 13, 2008, 2:15 AM Views: 4269 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Sorry can't help myself... you got to read this before you make your final decision.. I promise you this will be my last caution...! You see, I worry coz you've never had a dog in your life before and you're getting a ROTTWEILER!! Why the Rottweiler is NOT for everyone -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is wonderful news coming from the AKC office in North Carolina. Rottweiler registration numbers have dropped through the floor. This is fantastic, as this is not a breed for everyone, and hopefully in the near future, ownership will dwindle down to those who really know and appreciate the Rottweiler and understand the responsibilities of owning one. Let's look at the breed standard (ARC/AKC) . Underlining or bold in the middle of the statements is my own emphasis. As you read through this, count how many times you see the word "powerful." In general description, the AKC standard states: Quote: The ideal Rottweiler is a medium large, robust and powerful dog .... His compact and substantial build denotes great strength, agility and endurance Let's start here. What words do you see above? Robust, powerful, great strength, agility and endurance. Does this sound like a breed of dog who is happy being a couch potato? A dog built for strength and agility most likely has the temperament and energy to go with those traits and needs to expend them. They are not meant to sit around and do nothing all week, and then go out and be "weekend warriors." Quote: His bone and muscle mass must be sufficient to balance his frame, giving a compact and very powerful appearance. A medium large dog who is very powerful. This is NOT a dog to be left alone with children unattended. This is NOT a dog to be walked by the weak or infirm without substantial training. This is NOT a dog to be owned by the person who doesn't have the MENTAL strength and stamina to deal with their dog's phyiscal prowess. Quote: Expression is noble, alert, and self-assured. Self-assured. Many many people are not self-confident or self-secure. They are wishy-washy in decision making (if they can make one on their own at all), and in being so, are unclear in their motives and intent to those around them. Such a person should NOT own a self-assured dog. A self-assured dog is going to take severe advantage over the unconfident person. This may well lead to dominance issues and potential bites in the home. If you are not able to be strong of mind and conviction, the Rottweiler is NOT for you. Quote: Neck--Powerful, well muscled "Help my dog pulls." How many times have we read this??? The dog was originally bred to pull carts. What was that word? PULL carts. In order to do so, he must therefore have the correspondingly correct build of neck, shoulder and forequarters. A strong, well-muscled neck is built for pulling. Of course your Rottweiler is going to pull on leash, unless you put in some extensive training. If you don't like a dog who pulls on leash, a Rottweiler is NOT for you. Quote: Forequarters -- Legs are strongly developed ... Pasterns are strong, springy Quote: Hindquarters Upper thigh is fairly long, very broad and well muscled. .... Lower thigh is long, broad and powerful, with extensive muscling leading into a strong hock joint. "My puppy is jumping on everybody." Well of course! That is what they are built to do: jump. And going back to the original line of the standard: His compact and substantial build denotes great strength, agility and endurance. A dog built for agility is a dog who is built to move, in many directions (seemingly at once!). It takes a lot of time and training to have a well-behaved Rottweiler. If you want an inherrantly more calm, less active dog (who will require less time out of your schedule), please consider another breed. Quote: Gait -- The Rottweiler is a trotter. His movement should be balanced, harmonious, sure, powerful and unhindered, with strong forereach and a powerful rear drive. The motion is effortless, efficient, and ground-covering. Rottweilers are powerful, efficient movers. As such, they need a lot of exercise each day. EVERY day. Rain, snow, fight with your spouse, bad day at the office.....YOU have a commitmant to your dog. If you want a strong, active, intelligent dog, be SURE you understand what such ownership entails. Quote: Temperament -- He has an inherent desire to protect home and family, and is an intelligent dog of extreme hardness and adaptability with a strong willingness to work, making him especially suited as a companion, guardian and general all-purpose dog. A dog who is intelligent, and has a strong willingness to work is NOT a dog who is or should be made into, a couch potato. It is a dog who needs constant training, a job, attention, and strong, clear guidance. "My dog is destroying my house." "My puppy chases the kids/cats/whatever." We see this ALL of the time....daily. Well guess what? It's an intelligent breed, bred to work. If you do not mentally and physically exercise your dog EVERY day, destructive behaviors are going to be seen, and should be expected. A dog who is bred to be a willing worker is a dog with prey drive. Prey drive is the desire to chase/catch (and kill) prey. So yes, puppies and untrained dogs are going to chase moving objects. It takes a commitment to TRAINING to work through this. Exercising a dog does not mean dragging it along to your kids' soccer games / football games / rugby matches. It means taking the dog out, one on one, and giving the dog some focused time to exercise. During this time, training should also be occuring in the form of obedience work. DAILY. Not when it's convenient, when the temperature is above 30 and sunny, when it's not raining, when you finally have "a free moment." DAILY. A scheduled part of your activity. And not while you're chasing kids around the park. FOCUSED on the dog. There is more to a Rottweiler than "how it looks," and when considering ownership of such a noble dog, one needs to be HONEST about one's time availability, mental tenacity, interest and ability to maintain training and exercise schedules, and most importantly: what the breed is SUPPOSED to be. If you do not want an active, strong dog, who is built to pull, likes to jump and run, needs DAILY exercise, REGULAR training and who WILL question your authority at times, PLEASE do NOT get a Rottweiler. If you do not have time to attend a training class, if you do not have time to read through books on canine behavior and learning, if there is not a decent training facility near to you, PLEASE do NOT get a Rottweiler. There are hundreds of other breeds out there who offer you what you like: docked tail, black/tan coloring, short coat, non-upright ears, big head. If you want a dog who "loves everybody," the Rottweiler is not for you. If you can't handle a dog who challenges you, or who doesn't get along with every new dog, or every new person, PLEASE do not get a Rottweiler. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by BostonRott; 04-14-2006 at 10:34 PM.

PSY K9 Kaki Nov 13, 2008, 4:24 AM Views: 4264 Re: [boobee2005] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ A very informative posting and what I am about to post is not encouraging butthead012 to get so please butthead012 think about this very careful as there are numerous valid points here. What has been posted is like speculators in the share market only talk about how much they have made and not how much they have lost so in short you are just pointing out the bad points of Rotties what about the plus points? I do not like Rotties but I strongly believe alot is in the breeding so buying from a reputable breeder is very important.

butthead012 Novice Nov 13, 2008, 6:15 AM Views: 4257 Re: [boobee2005] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ @boobee2005 Thanks dude for the information, I think I know what a Rottie is and how strong it is. Sufficient exercise will be needed of course, not only for Rottie other dogs need exercise too so it doesn't really bother me. If I'm gonna get a dog I'll bring it to exercise anyway so I'm ready. Training will be given for sure, as mentioned I'm first time dog owner do not know anything about training so I'll bring it to training. The breeder I'm visiting this weekend offers dogs training as well, that's why I'm going to take a look this Saturday. Boobee2005, do not worry too much... I'm not saying that I'll get it now I'm getting advise and information about rotties so I have an idea whether to get or not. Anyway thanks for your cautions and I'll update again after the visit to the breeder this Saturday~ All I wanted to know at first is what I posted in post 1. Information like you posted is everywhere on the net, I just need to get answers like budget/cost, lifestyle and temparement or real life experiences for rotties not how powerful they are I can witness this Saturday how powerful and how they react and so on. I think the breeder will answer all my questions.... Lastly thanks for your info

butthead012 Novice Nov 13, 2008, 6:20 AM Views: 4254 Re: [PSY] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Yeah, I agree that buying from a reputable breeder is very very important... I've asked for imports breeder and Malaysia Champ dog breeders and they cost a bomb so I don't think I could afford it. but I'll take a look and get to know how different they are from the normal breeds. The one I'm visiting this Sat is a experience breeder introduce by a friend, so hope everything will go smooth. He is also a trainer himself for big dogs like Doberman, GSD and Rotties....

PSY K9 Kaki Nov 14, 2008, 4:32 AM Views: 4214 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Ok, if you like I shall try and give some infor. Please e-mail me at liteweimer@ yahoo .com stating your budget and where abouts you live.

junior81 Member Nov 14, 2008, 5:25 AM Views: 4208 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ i strongly agree what boobee mention / info on rott...thats is why in opinion that you may go for other large breed that is more ' tame ' in nature.... search in you tube video they tested rott bite presure is much more beyond gsd/ america pitbull.... btw, may i ask why rott attract you so much among the large breed? you will know how powerfull rott dog is if u deal with real wan...they can even break the chain, thick chain that purchase from kedai logam..... not a play play breed...but very loyal and protective to family members....

Anderson Member Nov 15, 2008, 1:52 AM Views: 4175 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I am a dog owner for more than 25 years and I still not dare to say I am an expert lo. because for such experience I also being attack by my own dog. Nothing is impossible, and the scar still stick on my arm and leg for many year. If you have little kids or old folk in your house, please consider again for owning a rott. If you insist, then please attend the obedient course if possible

boobee2005 Novice Nov 15, 2008, 2:18 AM Views: 4174 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Question: Do you like dogs? Very pertinent question coz you have to like 'em to be able to have the patience to learn about dog behaviours from scratch? and not wallop them for every little mistake (people think) and disobedience (again people think it's 'disobedience') when in actual fact, dogs do not understand what it is you want them to do. It's a big, no, HUGE learning curve for a beginner to be able to handle a rottie. What everyone has posted is 'why not consider another dog' is because of our own experiences. Rotties are no joke bringing up. I think all of us here are concerned as rotties can be aggressive/temperamental if not raised properly. No obedience training in the world can teach one how to tackle their behavioural traits. They are not for the novice. If one is too soft with them, they will dominate you (more than any dog I know), if one is always wacking them, they will turn aggressive. What I had directed you to read up on are also all real-life experiences with rotties, not just articles on theory. I've also had dogs all my entire life, with mongrels, boxer, dobbies and the rottie (bless their heart) still takes the cake on really testing our knowledge, intelligence, patience, strength, etc. Everyday is a learning experience with them. FYI PSY, there are plenty to love the rotties just that there is not enough time to list them down!!

junior81 Member Nov 15, 2008, 5:38 AM Views: 4157 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ how much they charge you? check out the rott puppy at puppy for sales website..how much they are selling?

chilimson Member Nov 15, 2008, 7:44 PM Views: 4142 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I have kept Rottweilers for close to 20 years now, and I can tell you that they are one of the most loyal and faithful breed. They are a victim of their own success, which is irresponsible breeding and ownership. In the peak of their fame, every Tom, Dick and Harry wanted to own one, but do not want to invest the time and money in training or getting one that had excellent bloodline. By and large, most of the breeders just wanted to buy excellent show dogs, and then bring them to their country with a short cut to fame in their own local ring. They do not spend time investigating and studying the bloodlines, and then just breed and sell and sell. A lot of buyers also wanted to buy cheap dogs with parentage that have a lot of certificates and so on. I am not here to share the ethical aspects of breeders, but I think they are just killing the breed that "was" once a great breed. The reason why I said "was" is because their greed is not much different from the those who had created the financial crisis that the whole world now is paying. I had imported many Rottweilers from many countries, but I finally learnt my lessons and only trust Germany. I think the ADRK probably is the best Rottweiler club in the world that have decades of records of their Rottweilers, and will allow you to search their respective bloodlines. There are lots of countries that claimed to have German bloodline as their starting point, but they do not have a solid club to regulate the perpetual purity of what is stated in their certificate. I ever imported a puppy whose sire is a world champion, and found her to have some mild HD. It was much later that someone in their country wrote to me that the sire had developed very serious spinal problem and was kept alive to continue breeding because of his title. He also told me that all the certificates that I get could be obtain, just by $$$. I do agree that you should not have a Rottweiler as your first dog, because of what is out there. I am happy that there is someone out there telling everyone about the "bad" qualities, in order to save the Rottweiler from another infamous incident. I live in Singapore, and the Rottweiler is again being victimized because there are irresponsible breeding and ownership. The Singapore government is planning to impose all kind of punishment for the all the Rottweiler owner. Me included will have to be punished. I was incensed at first, but I think this may be the last hope to save the Rottweilers! I think this will forced those who really love the breed to go all the way to own one. They also will not fall into the hands of those who just wanted to try and not willing to invest. The greatest deed the Singapore government can do is make the Rottweiler so expensive to keep, that all the irresponsible breeders stop using this breed to print money for them. Please try to own some other breed first, and I am more than glad to share with you everything you will like to know about Rottweiler. (This post was edited by chilimson on Nov 15, 2008, 7:49 PM)

junior81 Member Nov 15, 2008, 8:04 PM Views: 4134 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ yes totally agree with what chilimson mention, as a first dog owner, rott is not a goood choice whereby if you have not been raising any dog before.... you will have pop up many question with ' why is he like this'......... theory and article always give good picture.. never deny that rott is a very loyal and protective of its family members.....thumbs up..... just like when there is a stranger talking to me thru gate, he will always sit beside or infront of me watching the strangers.......

Elaine8 Dog Kichi Nov 15, 2008, 10:15 PM Views: 4131 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I agree with my rott is just 3mths+ and she behave like that. Futhermore she knows my car sound....when i reach home open the gate she will sit and not move. All you need is lots of patients...lots of training....and most of all love.

junior81 Member Nov 16, 2008, 3:12 AM Views: 1894 Re: [Elaine8] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ hi elaine got ur rott pic to share about? please take lots of his puppy pic since he grow very fast...the puppy cute face will.............become macho face.....heheheheheheh

Elaine8 Dog Kichi Nov 16, 2008, 3:30 AM Views: 1892 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Ya... I know....mine female...la..... My girl is very cute... every morning i take my sons to school... when i open my car door she will try to get in. Only my car not my husband car...

PSY K9 Kaki Nov 16, 2008, 3:58 AM Views: 1890 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Thank-you and extremely well put. I am going to predict that over the next 5 to 10 years, Dobs maybe in the same predicament as rotties are simply due to the economic situation inducing an increase in crime.... so guard dogs and before you know it the millers are out.

chilimson Member Nov 16, 2008, 7:27 AM Views: 1883 Re: [PSY] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Yes, it's really unfortunate that Rottweilers are always highly sort after whenever there is resolute loyal protection needs, and that is really the obvious strength of that breed. I really don't think they are suitable for everyone, especially first time dog owners. They really need a firm hand and training, so that they do not ever create all the infamous incidences that kept becoming headlines. In all my twenty years, I had seen almost all type of temperament of Rottweilers and had been able to train all of them so that they do not ever create any trouble. I imported a female from Germany that is absolutely sharp, when she was only 12 weeks old. I knew that because I wanted a working line, her maternal grandsire is the highest scoring working Rottweiler in Germany. She is really excellent when trained, because she can read my "mind" now. Well, I am hoping that the Rottweilers will survive the onslaught from all the governmental agencies around the world, and not be banned. It will be a terrible loss for the dog world, because their extinction is really caused by irresponsible breeding and ownership. Well, I still keep my fingers cross for the Singapore government to make their decision, but I think they are going to make ownership more expensive. I hope that will take out the demand and stop all the excessive breeding that is going on around the world. Please do not breed just because you think they are cute or you need to make some quick money, because you are "murdering" the breed in time to come. Please do not buy a Rottweiler just because it make you look macho or formidable, unless you are willing to invest time and money to train them. Please do not buy a cheap Rottweiler from irresponsible breeders, because you are helping them in "murdering" this breed. Therefore, I hope you all will help to keep this breed from joining the dinosaurs into extinction.

butthead012 Novice Nov 18, 2008, 9:56 AM Views: 1841 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Thanks for all your comments guys, really helpful...

chilimson Member Nov 19, 2008, 8:02 AM Views: 1810 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Sorry to discourage you from keeping a Rottie, but it is for you own good and that of the breed. If you are here for a visit, please let me know and I will show you what a great breed they are. However, they are really not a breed for a first time dog owner because they have certain temperament that makes them what they are. It is really very difficult to describe in writing, because I do not really know the bloodlines that are available in Malaysia. I have been to PJ many years ago to visit a breeder, and I know what he has then. I do not think it is appropriate for me to comment, as it was so many years ago. My advise is that you keep a Retriever or Spaniel first, and use the money saved to buy a "Chubb" security system. I think it will be more reliable than getting a guard dog, because I honestly do not think you will really be wanting to train SchZ certified dog. Therefore, your guard dog expectation is just based on the looks and temperament, which is really not a safe bet. The genotype and phenotype qualities needed more in depth studies where breeding is concerned, but I really do not think many breeders understand and have the time to work on this aspect. Anyway, I will not waste your time on such controversial topics and will certainly be more than glad to show you my Rotties if you are visiting Spore.

butthead012 Novice Nov 19, 2008, 8:41 AM Views: 1805 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Good to hear from experts like you and others, I don't mind listening to your points in fact I just wanna know more about rottie before I actually get one. Pros and cons whatever comments that are useful for me will be noted. I wouldn't buy a dog without knowing its temparement, lifestyle and so on so don't worry I think I mention this couple of times before. I would love to go to visit your place and take a look at your rotties but Singapore is kinda far, anyway mind attach some pics here for us to have a look?

boobee2005 Novice Nov 19, 2008, 7:23 PM Views: 1795 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Hi Chilimson, Great advice! Couldn't have said it better or clearer.. Had typed out 2 mgs out in the last few days basically voicing the same things that you mentioned but right at submitting time, my network connection crashed out!! It's the lousy streamyx we have at home! Yes, we want this wonderful breed to not suffer in the hands of irresponsible breeders, owners and over zealous, quick-to-fault law enforcers. Are you a breeder yourself?

chilimson Member Nov 20, 2008, 8:34 AM Views: 1763 Re: [boobee2005] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Sorry for your problem with the system, and thanks for you support. I just hope that the Rotties will never be banned by all the government in the world, and they really do not belong to the dinos category. Because almost every Rottweiler owner will want to own another when their Rottie passed on. Returning to you question on whether I do breed, and I assume you are a Rottie lover as well. Yes, just one breeding at the beginning of this year. However, definitely not for money, primary to understand and have some great Rotties for some lucky people to own. I imported a pink-paper male with Vico von Flugschneise as maternal grandsire, so that I could breed with a female that has Vico von Flugschneise as a sire. I have sold the only two males that I have to two owners whom I visited their home, before I decided that they should be the puppies owner. There are lots of people who wanted to own Rotties, but I actually declined or disappointed several people. There is a guy who was really mad and disappointed, because I told him exactly why his neighbourhood is not suitable for a Rottie. I think he must be so surprised that I bothered to visit his house and he asked me for reference so that he could import himself. I am not sure whether he eventually did or not, but I told him that he is courting a disaster, because he has never kept any Rottweilers before, and he wanted a pair of two males. My view is that having a single Rottie is already tough for someone that is new to the breed, but to have two males is just unthinkable. Because a pair of Rottweilers are really a formidable, as they will lend each other courage which they are already not lacking. The last breeding I did before this was more than three years ago, and because I wanted to have Jackomo von der Bleichstrasse gene line. That is Jackomo appeared as the female paternal grandsire, and the male paternal and maternal grandsire. This breeding is the best I ever had then, and I really felt proud that I finally was successful in a line breeding. I have not ever done a repeat breeding, even though I am persuaded to do so by those proud puppies' owners, who had referred many of their friends. I will probably import in the future, because I think there is too much work and responsibility to find responsible owners in the future in Singapore. I have enough history of the Rottwieler bloodline to chosse the temperament or type I would prefer. Honestly, I do not show Rottweiller anymore, and so I am pretty low key now in the dog circle. In fact, I have not visited this forum for a long long time.

chilimson Member Nov 20, 2008, 8:39 AM Views: 1760 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Ha.ha. I think you will come and visit me if you see their pictures! :) Just kidding. I have not done it on this forum, and will try ot figure it out during the weekend. Otherwise, I will try to send you some if I could locate your email address.

junior81 Member Nov 21, 2008, 6:45 AM Views: 1721 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Since this forum is active at the moment, sorry in advance in posting non relatared topic as i need some experience advise from you all. my 9 months plus rott i suspect has hip joint problems at his back leg, my trainer had tell me b4 when he observed his walking and when react to command ' down '..... i had cut down his food and also monitor him for few days when walk him and command him to sit...and feel that his back leg is a bit week...i just purchase a glucosame called ' petnatural' to strenghen his joint... i fed him one tablet yesterday and that nite his poo is so waterly...he is ' lau sai' ......and today ...he is 'lau sai' also.....his poo is just like 'sand'... but he does not seems look like sick..still eat with good appetite need help please....before consult the vet.../ need to monitor his progress first..

chilimson Member Nov 21, 2008, 7:11 AM Views: 1720 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ You want to share his problem over the forum or you want to write to me privately?

junior81 Member Nov 21, 2008, 7:17 AM Views: 1715 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Harlow... hm it is fine with me for both..tq..you may reply me in email if convinience for you.. my email account is with hotmail....ID ccn1231

chilimson Member Nov 21, 2008, 8:25 AM Views: 1714 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Sorry, I spend many minutes editing my first message, and then the forum only tell me that sorry time for editing had expired. Therefore, all my typing had gone to the cyberspace waste bin!. First, I think you should stop giving the Glucosomine that cause your dog to have such bad reaction. I have administered Glucosomine to my dogs before as supplement, and never had such problem that you had describe. It is either you had given him the wrong dosage or it is just not suitable for your dog and should stop regardless whether it is useful to treat his hip problem. If you really think that you still want to give him Glucosomine, then go to a pharmacy and buy those that are good for human being. I normally use them because it is cheaper than those sold in the pet shop, and also I think they are properly tested for human consumption. I want to let you know that I am not a vet and so I will share with you based on what I think, which is just another opinion for you to consider. I assume you are saying that your dog has HD, and so I will like to tell you that there are lots of opinions and research done previously. I had studied this topic and research over many years as well, and I have concluded that HD is genetically related, and so is many other human diseases as well. But I think that certain bloodlines are producing worst quality joints, and so they become pretty obvious. There are also some that are not so "bad" and could be made worse by diet or growth environment. That is the fundamental reasons why I decided to import pink-papered Rottweiler from German breeders, as I think the working titles of many many generations and many many associated line breedings are good representation of the bloodlines. Sorry for the digression, but I need to have more sharing of why you think it is a HD problem. Your trainer's description is not clear for me to diagnose and will appreciate more information because it could be "pano" since your dog is still young. However, keeping him lean is absolutely the right thing to do for now, and you have to give him sufficient nutrition so that he could develop muscle to hold the "loose" joints so to speak. I hope you could get him to swim, because it is the best exercise now. Absolutely no vigorous exercising or running, till you could confirm his problem. Can you tell me whether he is limping now? Could you stand him, and put your hands (palm) flat on his left and right bump (just above his thigh). Rock his bump slowly from left to right and back again. Do you feel and loose joint or hear any sound? Please describe his sitting position, and how he gets up. Does he takes long to get up? Well, lots of questions for you lah, but maybe just describe as much as you can on why you think he had HD.

butthead012 Novice Nov 21, 2008, 10:41 AM Views: 1702 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Another lesson learn today... Sorry to hear that your dog is not well Junior, hope it will get well soon... As for chilimson, still waiting for your handsome rottie pics... lol ... when are u gonna breed again? if you have pups I'm interested to have a look to see the difference between champ lines and normal lines... Anyone here know any good rottie breeders in PJ/Kl area? if you now please advise...

chilimson Member Nov 21, 2008, 4:17 PM Views: 1690 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Sorry, I will not breed anymore. I plan to just import if my current doggie kids leave me. Therefore, I do not set an expectations for anyone, because a lot of my past puppies owners still return to ask the same question that you had asked. By the way, I will tell you a secret, that is there is really no such thing as Champ line. Please do not be fooled. The nature created by GOD is quite fair, because every one have a chance to be a Champ in my eyes. There is kelong in our part of the world, so there is kelong in all the dog shows around the world as well. Except Germany seiger show is conducted differently, not a conformation or beauty contest. But handler or handlers probably have to be very fit, as he or she has to literally "run" with the dogs till they dropped so to speak. Not so bad lah. Just till the judge is satisfied. My opinion is that in any extreme ends, you could have a conformation type or line and a working type of line. But honestly, there is very little such extreme being bred now, and so you really get a mixture like a normal distribution if you are familiar with statistics. There used to be very good Rottweiler forums in the past concerning German bloodlines, but the vocal and bickering had forced all of them to closed. I think there are still German based forum, which is useless to me. If you do have German lines and their judge's comments, I could do the interpretation for you because I had bought tonnes of books on Rottweilers.

butthead012 Novice Nov 21, 2008, 8:42 PM Views: 1680 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Speaking importing good breeds from German, Is it that worth it? As you can't see the dog and all you could see is just pictures I guess? unless you fly over to German? Mind to share how to import a good bloodline ? How much is it? Is it gonna cost a lot? Do you have an email or msn? I'll chat more with you there about this? Thanks

chilimson Member Nov 21, 2008, 9:43 PM Views: 1678 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Hmm.. can you please send me a private message on your email address, and I will respond to you. Ever since I got back into the forum, I have lots of spam emails from Malaysian companies with all sorts of advertisements. I am okay, but just worried about Trojans! I do not think it is easy for you to just import from Germany, because there are lots and lots of breeders there. There are also many who breed to BSg or KSg or V-titled dogs, and then try to export to foreign countries. I also will guarantee you that they do not sell you any potentially winning dogs after they are 4 months old, unless they know you very well. However, I think I really do not need a V1 dog, because I am not showing my dogs in shows anymore. Anyway, I have followed the German Rottweilers for almost 15 years now, and I have some idea of what bloodlines I want. For example,10 years ago, I wanted to have Rick von Burgthann's line because they are great conformance dogs. However, he is too old to breed now, and I will not have any of his famous son, Mambo's line. There are lots of champions out of Mamno's line, and there is the widely bred Amigo still in Germany. There is no perfect dog, and so please do not look for one as it will take forever! :) For example, I like Vico but he is "sharp" and was export to USA, which I believe had an accident or tragedy. However, the "V" litter of Flugschneise is one of the best litters from that kennel, and so is the "M" litter of Scherau kennel. Anyway, it is both a science and art to figure it out, remember dogs have 39 pairs of chromosomes and human has 23 pairs. So it is not difficult to figure it out that whoever tell you breeding a champion with another champion will get a "chamion" is bluffing you. I don't know what is the price now, but based on the last dog I got in 2006; it cost me 1,400 Euros for the 3 months old puppy; 900 Euros for the cage and air-freight; another S$1000 for 30 days quarantine, licenses and vaccinations. Sorry, so now you know how expensive this passionate hobby of mine is, and so I have decided to pick up other hobbies now as well. I attempted to upload some picture, but seems like it only allow one for now. The big guy is from my breeding done almost 4 years ago, and the two small girls are bred at the beginning of this year. Attachments: Flu&wk10b .jpg (47.1 KB)

chilimson Member Nov 21, 2008, 9:48 PM Views: 1675 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Here is the family potrait. Both the male and female are imported from Germany, and their daugther that has grown slightly from the previous picture. I only keep one, and the other female goes to an owner who has one of the males from the earlier breeding (but died from bloating accident). Attachments: familyb.jpg (44.2 KB)

ASTERIX33 Novice Nov 22, 2008, 12:47 AM Views: 1662 Re: Looking for a boxer puppy... Hi there, I'm looking for a a boxer puppy, is anyone can advise me where to have one? Thank you.

junior81 Member Nov 22, 2008, 7:34 AM Views: 1642 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ hm...today no more dierhaa already...maybe he is alergic to the pills... well and today i checked his back leg paws...shit omg...those paws that protect them wan...round round wan...got one is injured....maybe something sharp kena his back legs that is maybe one of the reasons he feel pain and week at his back leg.. and for glucosame stuff...hm..thanks for your advise..i will monitor how it goes.. his back leg now is injured so he might have difficulty to sit...when i sit him..he will like move to the right fall down like tat.....wait when his paws getting better and i will reconfirm the problems again.... tq...btw..ur rott look nice...

chilimson Member Nov 22, 2008, 3:19 PM Views: 1623 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Good to hear that his diarrhea is gone, and I think you should just stop the supplement and find another one. Hope his injury will not create other problems for him, but this is one of the attribute of Rottweiler. They can take a lot of pain, and still go on in life. I had an imported German male that had died, but he never even make noise when he had one of his whole skin under his paws torned off. Thanks for your comments on my Rotties. The male is so solid like a bull and so I had to be careful with him, but they are all well trained lah. No need to struggle with them because they will walk by my side even without lease. They are absolutely loyal and intelligent, if you pick the right lines. Like I said, they could read my mind. I am not sure how this forum works on private email, but I have left mine in the profile and you could ping me if you needed advise. I do not normally visit this forum, because there is really not many Rottie's threads anymore. I am pursueing a new revived passion of mine, and learning a lot from the classical guitar forum. I responded to this thread because someone wanted to own a Rottie .... and I was afraid that the good intention may cause this breed to join the Dinos!

junior81 Member Nov 22, 2008, 8:18 PM Views: 1602 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ i dun think this forum work at private messgage...you can email me at my hotmail with id ccn1231 I have visited vet and he is weight 34 kg with 9 months plus...sigh...heavy fellow....vet commeneted he grow too fast but overall still ok... his paws was injured...vet give him antibiotic and medicine to put on his paws... he seems does not like ppl to touch his injured part and will start growling at the vet.....and trying to attack the vet...i think he is sensitive to pain.... and at the meantime..he has to rest at home..no walking outside and postpone training lessons already...

chilimson Member Nov 22, 2008, 9:08 PM Views: 1599 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I am not sure what your vet meant by he grows too fast, because I do not think there is truth in such statement. I can accept that you have overfed him, and he is too heavy for his structure. Normally, I will look for his rib cage or rib bone at the stomach area, and you should be able to see his last rib when he has not eaten anything yet. By the way, nine months is about the right height for a mature Rottie, and he will not grow much taller. However, his length and body mass will continue to grow, especially his head piece will change to be much broader. He is about ending his ugly stage, and so you should keep him lean first, then build him up. You must not let him growl, even though he is in pain. My extremely sharp girl will not dare growl in my presence. I am not sure how to send you an email with only id ccn1231, could you share with me how to do it? I normally use YahooMail or Hotmail.

boobee2005 Novice Nov 24, 2008, 10:11 PM Views: 1504 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Hi. Your rotties are gorgeous! I am sneaking time off (at work) to read this thread and can't resist sending you a msg. Will reply you later on a previous post. My home connection is still off.

chilimson Member Nov 25, 2008, 5:14 AM Views: 1051 Re: [boobee2005] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ Thanks. I can see that you are as crazy as I am on this breed, and it is sad that I cannot realize what I really wish for when I had spent so much time and effort in understanding this breed. Anyway, I think twenty years is a long time for me to enjoy this passionate hobby, and so it's time to move on a little in life. Every time someone comes to see my last litter, they will not fail to offer me a price for the only boy that I have kept behind. Unfortunately, he is priceless lah, because my daugther will kill me if she returns from college and find him not around. He literally could express and "talk", and sleep on her bed when she is away! The female mom you see is almost the last of the famous Hertener Wappen kennel's female that is bred out of Tais von Hertener Wappen. I think her brother was on sale in Germany last year or so, Diego von Hertener Wappen.

junior81 Member Nov 26, 2008, 5:48 AM Views: 1021 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ harlow may i knw when last time your rott paws tear off, how long it takes to recover?

chilimson Member Nov 26, 2008, 6:38 AM Views: 1016 Re: [junior81] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ It's a long while back, and he was SchZ trained before he was sent to me at 9 mths old. His father was the late great Furst vom Wolfert Turm. I think you should just go the the pharmacy and buy hydrogen peroxide to clean his wound. I am not sure whether you could get those concentrated ones, and the healing process should be pretty fast. Use antiseptic powder or cream after you clean the wound, and it should not be a prolong issue. I think you should expect it to close within two weeks, and the healing should not take more than two months. I am not sure what you are encountering, please elaborate.

butthead012 Novice Nov 26, 2008, 7:26 AM Views: 1013 Re: [chilimson] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I'm trying to send you a pm or email but fail because the pm system here is not working. Any other way I can contact you? do you mind give me your email address? I'm going to another breeder this weekend and I'll try to provide the parents name see whether you heard of them...

chilimson Member Nov 26, 2008, 9:00 AM Views: 1003 Re: [butthead012] Need your opinions on Rottweiler, need your advise, lol ~~~ I have stayed out of touch with what is happening in the Rottweiler circuit in Singapore and Malaysia, but I know there are lots of imports from Eastern European kennel primarily from one kennel. I think some of my friends in Malaysia are also bringing in Rotties from Korea with German origin. Honestly, I do not trust what they say or what they have, and so it is of not much value for me to comment. You could probably google the web and get the same information as I do. However, I could just comment on the dogs if I know them, but I wanted to make sure you understand I am not commenting on the bloodline of your breeder's dog. I have enough spams and potential virus attack that I do not leave any email address on any forum anymore. Sorry about that. You could give me your if you like, and I will write to you privately. I travel a fair bit and so absolutely have to be careful. Please understand.