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is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?



Anqi
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Jan 11, 2004, 8:39 PM


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is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
i heard from a dog breeder said that if u buy a dog without cert, then that dog will not have a MKS register cert even though u apply, is it true? & the babies all will not have the chance to get a cert... is it all true?


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RealityDreamer
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Jan 12, 2004, 7:00 AM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Yea. That's true.

As for the microchip,you could still apply for one.
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a_evie
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Jan 13, 2004, 1:44 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
that's bad news...is it absolutely that strict?Frown


Anqi
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Jan 13, 2004, 6:09 AM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
oh.... is like that 1... that's bad.....


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RealityDreamer
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Jan 13, 2004, 7:23 AM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Yea. I think it is...

For the dogs,it's equivalent to our family tree in black and white. Can't get a cert without proof. UnimpressedUnsure
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RealityDreamer
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Jan 13, 2004, 7:24 AM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
you sound like you're in a bit of trouble..Unsure

Anything I can do to help?
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a_evie
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Jan 13, 2004, 11:18 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
what if i bring the mum and dad for them to see...will it help?

just trying my luck...Blush


PSD
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Jan 14, 2004, 1:05 AM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
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what if i bring the mum and dad for them to see...will it help?

No point. U will never get a cert if it was not registered from birth. Unless you are a show person which u will need a cert for participation. I don't see the cert as important. It is just bunch of paper collecting dust in the drawers.

There are only few category of people needing certs.

1) Show people.

2) Breeders.

3) puppy millers.

did I miss anything?Smile

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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nathalie
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Jan 14, 2004, 7:38 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
u missed out this.....

ppl who likes to show off n compare their dogs Tongue


PSD
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Jan 14, 2004, 6:46 PM


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Re: [nathalie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Nat......kakakaka, Yup I missed that one.Laugh

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Anqi
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Jan 14, 2004, 10:54 PM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
what is puppy millers?


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Anqi
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Jan 14, 2004, 10:57 PM


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Re: [RealityDreamer] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Not really... just have a ask. Coz my fren planning to be a dog's breeder. He said must look for pedigree doggie. He told me have 2 buy pure puppy with cert. I said no need. No cert puppy also can breed... Then he told me birth without cert will do not have again. I don't know about MKA cert. Then i just asking here for my fren. Now i know... 10x all of ya~


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a_evie
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Jan 14, 2004, 10:59 PM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
true...just collecying dust..but the thought is quite sad...fancy being like an alien...no papersFrown


Gwinn
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Jan 15, 2004, 1:03 AM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Hi a_evie,

Actually, I tend to agree with you, that it is sad.. that we are unable to register our doggies. Not like we love them any less or that they are invaluable, I guess it's just a sort of identity, that they are as good as those pedigrees, showdogs and etc... I'd love to get a cert for Salsa because she is all worth it... because she is she, but unfortunately, they have strict restrictions on all that to protect the pure breeds and also to prevent people from taking advantage of it. It's sad, reality bites...PirateFrown
Papasan, Mamasan, Jerry, Salsa, Samseng & Junior


nathalie
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Jan 15, 2004, 5:54 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
i think they need it the most....Laugh


nathalie
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Jan 15, 2004, 5:58 AM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
no offence but are your friends breeding for the sake of making profits...?

maybe u should ask your friend to do more research about breeding esp on the pup's temperament rather than their certs.....a responsible breeder do not just breed for the sake of breeding.

hope your freind is not one of the puppy millers

PS..my one cent worth...plz don't take this personallySmile


Anqi
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Jan 15, 2004, 9:46 AM


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Re: [nathalie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
okie~ i will tell him be a good breeder if not i will kill him~!!!!


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PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 7:07 PM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
 

PSD

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 7:28 PM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Anqi,

I'm sorry but reality really bites nasty. To your q on what is puppy miller, the example is right in your eyes. Your friend is one.

A puppy miller is a crook whom puts together 2 dogs so that he can get profit from selling those puppies. His sole motivation or target in breeding is only $$$$$. These puppies usually ended up in small cages of petshops. These sad to be called breeders are not doing it for the betterment of the breeed.

A good breeder breads for a target to better the breed. Make it more potent, make it more structurally sound as per the breed standard. The know the standard at the back of their hand. They have genetics basics and understand how to read dogs temprement. They usually competes their dog to see how well they measure up to those breed standards.

There are a lot of discussion done on this millers and what constitute good breeders on this board. Read up on some of the old topics to understand better.

Remember this, "the fate of the breed rest on the hands of the breeders" if those breeders are all puppy millers, we can say goodbye to the breed for eternity as they will be plague with so many structural problems, so many tempremental fear biters problem, so many skin diseases and cancerous cases that noone will want to keep this breed.

To a puppymillers the above is not important, they will say so what and just buy another breed before destroying them too and then another. Sorry, no nicer way to say this. I hope your friend knows what he is doing.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
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Jan 15, 2004, 7:45 PM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Hi,

I think we had enuf shooting, argument and quarrels for not to be a BYB or better still DO NOT breed. Leave this to the expert that spend enuf time, resources and committed people to do it.

Do not breed becoz u want to make some $$$ out of it. I came across this statement i find it very true, 'YOU will not get rich out of breeding'. Don get what i mean ? read it again and think......

Just only while scrolling some oversea page i came across this.......

"Remember that the best pup in the litter has the capability of reproducing the worst pup in the litter."

this simply tell u breeding is not something u can put 2 super dogs together and will give u super litter. It all about genetics/timing/a little bit of luck may help.

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(This post was edited by boon on Jan 15, 2004, 7:55 PM)


a_evie
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Jan 15, 2004, 11:39 PM


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Re: [Gwinn] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
yeah...

but again cert or no cert...our fur masters will still be loved...no strrings attached.Wink


a_evie
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Jan 15, 2004, 11:43 PM


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Re: [PSD, boon] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
quite sad the way that people hope to make so called quick bucks from being breeders. hopefully anqi's friend is a resposible breeder then.

it strue that putting 2 superdogs together may not come up with the perfect dog. sometimes (like it or not) luck plays a big part...in her absence...and also of course some unknown and unseen genetic matters, a "mutant" or a lousy litter might well be the results.

folks just have to learn to be a responsible breeder to be a breeder...but that is just the ideal world.Frown


PSD
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Jan 15, 2004, 11:58 PM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
a_evie,

True that genetics is something not easy to understand. If even the experts are sometimes faulted what then a mere person whom knows nothing about genetics trying to play god?

A responsible breeder sounds nice but if a breeder can advice a person to just buy papered dogs and then breed, I think this breeder needs to look into the finer points of breeding before even thinking about doing it. End of the day, a person sincerely knows what type of a breeder he is if he is motivated to breed for a better champion dog or just going in for the plain $$$moolah puppy selling.

I'm pretty apalled by this cause it is my belieft that GSD in Malaysia today gets alot of bad names and health issues as a results of puppy millers doing. The next breed that is being targetted as at now is Golden Retriever and Jack Russell. I shall wait and see how long these breeds will last before being decimated by BYB type of breeding by matching dogs to dogs indescriminately as long as they have papers.

I dont mean to say thare are not good breeders around but they are too small in numbers to produce enough good dogs to be destroyed by the millers. IMHO

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)

(This post was edited by PSD on Jan 16, 2004, 12:20 AM)


boon
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:05 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Hi PSD,

yeah agreed with u, but u sure the GR and JRT in Malysia are in trouble now ?

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PSD
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:09 AM


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Re: [boon] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Boon,

U wait and see lah. Give it 2-3 more years and see the diff. I can only prophasised but u will need to see the results in reality before agreeing with me.Tongue Just be patience and wait for it to happen.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


aragorn2976
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:29 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Hi...

Been watching this thread with great interest... Smile

Hmmmm... Have to agree with you on that point. Millers will destroy these two breeds with indescriminate breeding... UnsureUnsure It will only be a matter of time before it happens.

*sigh*... I'm a great lover of JRTs and these days, I see a lot of pups in the "market" and sometimes, looking at their size, I wonder if they are healthy and happy just like my own JRT. I just hope the breed here in KL will stay healthy, but in reality, what you prophesized will probably turn true if enforcement doesn't step in... Unsure


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a_evie
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:39 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
there are good breeders...but a mere handful...

as for seeing the trend..quite right...we see lots of gr and jrt being offered....sad. feels like folks are cashing in on a very commercial basis.


a_evie
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:49 AM


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Re: [aragorn2976] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
we need proper enforcement for all animals...pet shops and breeders are selling indiscrimately.

read about spca spore yesterday...they are actually urging the goct to relook into the number of anilams that pet shops sell..some sort of quota thingy.

harsh as it may be...but it is quite true. on my own...i have seen so many terrapins being thrown into ponds or vene die of neglect..yeah tough creatures...but can die of neglect.

met a poor green colored lizard (that is sold so rampantly everywhere) with a chopped off tail abandoned outside pets wonderland...saw some folks releasing their rabbits in parks because cannpt handle or even release their hamsters at bandar tun razak park...all because parents bought for children...and when the children don't want to handle the pets (new toilet syndrome over) they find the easy way out...give away or release...or neglect until die!MadMad


aragorn2976
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Jan 16, 2004, 12:55 AM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
UnsureUnsureUnsure

Am sure you've seen the show Animal Precinct. The enforcement officers are very strict with people who neglect or abuse their animals.

Hmmm... Besides that, I think enforcement should be done to check the breeder so that they don't breed unhealthy dogs for profit. Am sure there are plenty of cases out there regarding consumer rights for dogs bought from a breeder found to be diseased due to poor breeding...

*sigh*....


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PSD
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Jan 16, 2004, 1:12 AM


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Re: [aragorn2976] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Aragorn,

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*sigh*... I'm a great lover of JRTs and these days, I see a lot of pups in the "market" and sometimes, looking at their size, I wonder if they are healthy and happy just like my own JRT. I just hope the breed here in KL will stay healthy, but in reality, what you prophesized will probably turn true if enforcement doesn't step in...

When the buying stops the killing will stop too.....Laugh Actually dont hope for enforcement. Who is going to do it? The real critical point here is the buyers ourselves. If buyers can be educated to a level of understanding of what a dog breed should be like specifically and have knowledge of how to basicly see if a dog is temprementally sound and not a potential fear monster. Then the battle is already won. Sadly, a big percentage of the market are all about Awww! How cute! and then lived with the tons of health issues later. Some get lucky but some got really hurt. Therefore it pays to know what you are buying.

Actually, I'm not gifted with any prophetical abilities......u will know what they go for next depending on the pupularity of that breed. Their aim is just to sell the puppies fast and all these depends on what is more pupular in the market today. Puppy millers this is their modus operandi.

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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a_evie
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Jan 16, 2004, 1:29 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
fully agreed. woof woof...from shalom!


a_evie
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Jan 16, 2004, 1:31 AM


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Re: [aragorn2976] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
it takes all...both the breeder, the buyer as well as the enforcement. all need to put in a helping hand and not wait for an epidermic or horror story to happen before taking action.

guess epidermic is the wrong word...but something along the lines that when a condition cannot be controlled or too much damage is done...damage control also no use. the harm is done.Frown


aragorn2976
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Jan 16, 2004, 1:33 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Hmmmm...

It is true. On one hand, there must be "caveat empor" (let the buyer beware) and on the other hand, there must be some form of protection for the buyer/dogs too. Enforcement is difficult, I must admit as there are logistic, legal and not to mention corruption issues that come along with it.

I agree with you.... A lot of the "awww... So cute" factor sometimes rule their decision for getting a particular type of dog. I still remember the case when 101 Dalmations movie came out and lots of people decided to just get a Dal just because it was cute. They didn't do the necc research and understanding of the breed. Hence, there was a surplus of unwanted Dals...

Hmmm... true.. I think for a puppy miller, they just have to hang out at petstores and watch for a while to see which breed is most marketable... Unsure


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aragorn2976
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Jan 16, 2004, 2:10 AM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Hmmm...

Like what PSD said "When the buying stop... The Killing Can too.."


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nathalie
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Jan 16, 2004, 9:37 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
totally agree with u...when they produce pups of low or even no quality...who will suffer eventually?

it's us the consumer n dog lovers but the worst are those innocent dogs. labs too r getting bad names...of 6 of the labs i've encountered...at least 4 or not more have HD be it mild or serious....it's sad but those pBYB do not care..what they want is just $$$$ out of the dogs they own...though some citing 'impressive' reasons such as....if i give him good food i need to spend..so the only way to cover is to breed.

thus they'll breed their dogs every season n eventually the bitch is just a profit making machine n the qualities deteriorates...resulting pups which are totally out of their standards.


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Jan 16, 2004, 8:18 PM


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Re: [nathalie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
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labs too r getting bad names...of 6 of the labs i've encountered...at least 4 or not more have HD be it mild or serious....

The labs u mentioned, are they from pet stores or from which breeder? I'm just curious cause I dont see much labs breeders around. Please mail me if it is sensitive.

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though some citing 'impressive' reasons such as....if i give him good food i need to spend..so the only way to cover is to breed.

Wow! That is impressively sick indeed. You should just ask them not to have the dog in the first place. Then they dont have to bother themselves over money for the food. But really all should think about this, if the buyers are aware and knows about this, nobody will buy from such person or shops. By then there will no longer be such type of breeding.

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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nathalie
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Jan 16, 2004, 9:54 PM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
some of the labs r directly from breeders n some are from the petshops...some even came with champion titles...though i know these titles does not mean the dog's r healthy.....

u r rite...they really gave lame excuses. so i guess they r just rearing their pets for investment...

when i ask them wheter r they aware about ur responsibility as a breeder? they answered me...take care of them, give better food n sell the pups...problem is what if they don't get the buyer?

their very fast answer...keep them...but we both know what r they going to do again rite?


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Jan 16, 2004, 11:03 PM


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Re: [nathalie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
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give better food n sell the pups...problem is what if they don't get the buyer?

their very fast answer...keep them...but we both know what r they going to do again rite?

Well if a breeder like this who then take advantage of the situation and then breeds the ones left over that nobody wants for whatever reasons.....I wonder what will happen to the so-called improvement of breed?

I would say that unless a person aim is to improve on the breed, to get a better breed structure, to get better health, better resistance, better temprement and study the requirement and knowhow of how to educatedly do it. Competes with their own produced dogs to see and prove their own research and productions......only should such person be a breeder. All others not having the above as their basic traits are lame excuses of a breeder.....IMHO.

I like to ask this one simple standard question of every breeder I meet,

"Do you compete with your own dogs?" ................. hehehe! That will really take them off footing.....so called millers cannot produce a good enough dog to even last 2 rounds in a match show let alone for showing in a bigger competition.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


a_evie
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Jan 17, 2004, 1:56 AM


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Re: [nathalie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
true...i've seen a fair numbers of gs that were given the tag "champion parents", "would be show dog quality" only to finally discover that the dog has hd or some other temperaments...making 1st time owners (some out to make money ones)...so dissapointed...and resulting in irresponsible behaviour...eg requesting that the dog be put down. sad but true. i know of 1 ex neighbour who actually did that...Frown


RealityDreamer
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Jan 17, 2004, 2:20 AM


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Re: [Anqi] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
wow. Been busy for a few days and this thread has really got quite a number of replies.

I agree 110% with them. I do hope your friend researches on the breed and learns the responsibility of breeding. It's no easy task and definitely not cheap.
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PSD
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Jan 17, 2004, 5:23 AM


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Re: [Anqi, RealityDreamer] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
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I do hope your friend researches on the breed and learns the responsibility of breeding. It's no easy task and definitely not cheap

Anqi/RD,

this is absolutely true, breeding must start from the undivided love of the breed. It is then becomes a pleasure to learn how to get a proper match making so that breed standards can be observed at the highest standard. It is because of this as per one member wrote "breeding will not make u rich"

I hope you understand my intention here, not wanting to sound aggressive but hopefully you can understand this important issue better. You are a dog lover and I'm sure you will want the best for the breed of your choice. Best to leave breeding to the experienced hand. If your friend wants to seriously make this into a serious business venture, he should study some canine genetics and research the breed he wants to get into. This will then be best for everyone...the breeder, the buyer and the dog.

The world needs more responsible breeder.Smile

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


kesuke
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Jan 17, 2004, 8:14 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
wow...this thread is interesting....but it will never end...the questions and answers and everything will go on and on...i think most of the members here are aware of the puppy mill thingy...and more are definitely learning about the importance of doing your homework before getting a dog and not on the "aww...how cute" factor...so this forum is definitely going in the right direction in educating ppl on this issue...now we just have to let more ppl to know about this doggy forum...
sometimes i just feel like want to hit those so-called breeders on their head and then yell at him "do you even know what you are doing? do you even THINK of what you are doing??" man...these people are really scumbag...

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nathalie
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Jan 17, 2004, 9:49 AM


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Re: [a_evie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
dissapointing right? when u pay for a dog, regardless of champion line or show quality..the minimum i should get out of the dog is one without health problems...n yet u must foot a long bill for medication.

plus they are smart, when they sell the pups at 2 months..the Hd cannot be accurately identified...so nothing can be done..wait till a few months later when the problem resurfaced, they'll shun their responsibilities off u n put on an ugly tug of war show pushing the responsibilities to the owner when it's quite obvious that the problem lies on it's genetics Mad


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ALPHA


Jan 26, 2004, 10:15 PM


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Re: [kesuke] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
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wow...this thread is interesting....but it will never end...the questions and answers and everything will go on and on...i think most of the members here are aware of the puppy mill thingy...and more are definitely learning about the importance of doing your homework before getting a dog and not on the "aww...how cute" factor...so this forum is definitely going in the right direction in educating ppl on this issue...now we just have to let more ppl to know about this doggy forum...
sometimes i just feel like want to hit those so-called breeders on their head and then yell at him "do you even know what you are doing? do you even THINK of what you are doing??" man...these people are really scumbag...

Kesuke-san,

I think no need to be violent on them lah! The key is education. Once the buyer knows then the millers will not have an easy task. "When the buying stops, the killing can too" Although I would love it myself to have a puppy miller become a decoy for my dogs minus the protective clothingSlyWinkTongueLaugh

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
Doggyman


Jan 26, 2004, 11:59 PM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
wei with the bite suit also nevermind lah, make sure ur mongrel run fast enuf to knock them down the ground flat.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


kesuke
Doggyman


Jan 27, 2004, 7:24 AM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
haha...couldn't agree more with boon...some fang-showing and some growling from your top GSDs would have the puppy millers in tears and shit in no time..LaughLaugh

btw, HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR to all!!

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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ALPHA


Jan 27, 2004, 8:16 PM


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Re: [kesuke, Boon] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
kakakakak, Good one......LaughLaughSly...cant stop laughing reding what you wrote there....lol. Actually just to let you know, a strong nerved GSD rarely growl.....the just go straight in if threatened. Growling and hackling is a sign of poor nerve threshold depending on the threat level.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


kesuke
Doggyman


Jan 27, 2004, 9:58 PM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
muahah...glad to make you laugh....Cool

really? i thought dogs growl to give warning when they feel threatened?

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
Penang lang? Click here!!


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ALPHA


Jan 27, 2004, 10:22 PM


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Re: [kesuke] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Kesuke,

They growl when their nerve threshold had been breached. They no more feel secured or confident. The grawl means "Please move away, I dont like this stress"

Alternatively a confident dog will look you in the eye and you can read it from his eye not to mess with him. That is an imposing look. No growling is necessary cause he is fully confident of himself able to handle this stress. His nerve threshold is never breached. Any further threats will give him a go ahead to engage. Of course, well trained dogs will only respond to real threats.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


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ALPHA


Jan 27, 2004, 10:22 PM


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Re: [kesuke] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Kesuke,

They growl when their nerve threshold had been breached. They no more feel secured or confident. The grawl means "Please move away, I dont like this stress"

Alternatively a confident dog will look you in the eye and you can read it from his eye not to mess with him. That is an imposing look. No growling is necessary cause he is fully confident of himself able to handle this stress. His nerve threshold is never breached. Any further threats will give him a go ahead to engage. Of course, well trained dogs will only respond to real threats.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


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ALPHA


Jan 27, 2004, 10:23 PM


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Re: [kesuke] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
Kesuke,

They growl when their nerve threshold had been breached. They no more feel secured or confident. The grawl means "Please move away, I dont like this stress"

Alternatively a confident dog will look you in the eye and you can read it from his eye not to mess with him. That is an imposing look. No growling is necessary cause he is fully confident of himself able to handle this stress. His nerve threshold is never breached. Any further threats will give him a go ahead to engage. Of course, well trained dogs will only respond to real threats.

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


kesuke
Doggyman


Jan 27, 2004, 10:51 PM


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Re: [PSD] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
ohh...now i understand...thanks!! Smile

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
Penang lang? Click here!!


a_evie
Doggyman


Jan 28, 2004, 8:04 PM


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Re: [nathalie] is that a puppy borned without cert, the whole of life will not get a register MKA cert & microship?
quite true...but i've learnt to accept my pup no matter what happens. had a friend in spore who bought a husky only to find that the husky is actually a sickly one. it has been in and out of the vet every 2 months or so...one thing for sure...he sure was pissed off since he was promised that the cert meant good dog...no probs 1.

good for the doggie (and bless the good heart...he has stood by his dog for the last 29 months and apparently another op is due for a hidden testacle case!)