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Ich_liebe_Puppy
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Oct 1, 2005, 3:40 PM

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Re: [zoeilam] if it is not a complain then you are half way there [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi Zoeilam, this my humble opinion.

Quote: "Whatsoever you would that men should do unto you, even so do you also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets".

This rule was not given for the some people alone, but for all people of all races and nations. It is the perfect end toward which all the law and the teaching of God. It requires that each one put himself in the place of the other. We do not want others to be prejudiced against us; we want them to understand us. Hence we are not to be prejudiced against others, but try to understand them. No matter in what position we may find ourselves, we want to be treated with consideration, fairness, kindness, even sympathy, and sometimes with compassion and mercy. We are, therefore, to treat others in the same manner. This is a very simple principal and easy to understand. If we would follow it, no matter what others may do, it would go far in removing all prejudice and misunderstanding of others, and would also go far in removing the prejudice of others toward us. May God grant us the intelligence and faith to understand and accept His wisdom and to practice it in our attitude towards others. God Bless.






bluetoise2020
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Oct 1, 2005, 5:39 PM

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Re: [Ich_liebe_Puppy] if it is not a complain then you are half way there [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, I'm here to voice out the same problem on my side:

My friend walked his dog past a Malay corner house. He had done nothing wrong to the Malay family, just walking the dog past, leaving nothing on their path.

Some day later, when he ride past the house with his bicycle, the Malay woman at the backyard SPLASHED WATER ON HIM!!! He got wet and went home. ! Ironically, their neighbour was rearing a Jack Russell Terrier at that time.


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crazymouse_yyh
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Oct 2, 2005, 6:39 AM

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Re: [zoeilam] Oh, you adopted your dog? [In reply to] Can't Post

My 3 dogs were bought... but I have adopted a mix breed and he lives in my aunt's place which is close to my house.

Yes, why must they do it? I also don't understand. A friend of mine rescued a puppy once... it was bullied by Malay boys. They cornered the pup and threw stones at it.

Good for you that you have written to the Star. I haven't tried writing to them... I mostly go around advicing kids not to do such things. Some do listen... but not all.

Good for you that you adopted him. You have done a good job! All dogs should be loved and cared.... they love us so much.


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


zoeilam
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Oct 3, 2005, 6:27 PM

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Re: [Ich_liebe_Puppy] "Whatsoever you would that men should do unto you, even so do you also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets". [In reply to] Can't Post

Ich_Liebe

I noticed some members have gone through what I've gone through. And I also noticed some members misunderstood the reason I've created this thread.

Thanks for the quote. It has meaning, and I do understand the message you want to convey to me and others.

Again, let me make it clear that this thread is not to START any racism. If that evening I was "teased" by Chinese or Indians, I would still write in this forum of the same issue.

I am not complaining of what happened to me the other day. I am merely trying to let out my frustration, sharing my experience, and of course questioning the sanity of mothers for allowing their kids to provoke a furkid.

I would like to put this thread to rest, if I may because I'm really tired of explaining the purpose of this thread being created.

When I've decided to write to The Star, it was not because I was angry. I wrote the email to The Editor, because I want public to hear another side of dog attack story.

But I would like to thank you for your time spent to reading this thread.



zoeilam
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Oct 3, 2005, 6:35 PM

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Re: [bluetoise2020] I'm here to voice out the same problem on my side [In reply to] Can't Post

Bluetoise,

Thanks for sharing your story with me. Appreciate it a lot. At least I know I'm not alone in this.

But anyway, I would like to put this thread to rest now. I do not want some members to think I am still writing this thread out of anger or discrimination.

However, you may continue to chat with in another forum I might create later.

C ya around.



zoeilam
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Oct 3, 2005, 6:41 PM

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Re: [crazymouse_yyh] My 3 dogs were bought [In reply to] Can't Post

YYH,

Nice dogs you have. Saw your "My Dogs" photo album.

I plan to adopt dogs when I have a landed property but I might still consider to buy certain dog breed like Whippet.

Think by now you should have read what I've written to other members in this thread. I think is time to put this thread to a rest.

I'll see you around in other thread, and of course TIK 5 morning walk.

Thanks for sharing your experience and story with me. Appreciate to know I'm not insane to start this thread.

Hope to meet you furkids one of these days at TIK 5.

C ya.



Ich_liebe_Puppy
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Oct 3, 2005, 11:12 PM

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Re: [zoeilam] "Whatsoever you would that men should do unto you, even so do you also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets". [In reply to] Can't Post

Zoeilam

Yes, the issue is not race. It is the attitude they have towards our furkids. We as lovers of furkids must have high tolerance when we meet these group of people. What can we say? Wish they have a more open perspective on this.

Sometimes for the sake and boundless love of our furkids, we just had to be patient. I also had an experience when I walked my furkid, suddenly the long garden hose was pointing to my furkid and the lady shouted at me and my furkid. I was furious and could have picked an argument, but for the sake of my furkid I walked away. And that was the first time we decided to walk that street!. She accused my furkid of pooing there! Never ! It might be others' furkids?

It is good to express our frustrations !but we still hold our hopes that certain group will change their mindset on our furry frens.


crazymouse_yyh
Doggyman


Oct 4, 2005, 3:45 AM

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OK. Gald to actually stumble upon your thread here earlier. You can get me at 019-2257571 to confirm the weekend morning walk. Saturday I won't be around, Sunday would be a free day.


Willy, my beloved shih tzu (22 March 1994- 8 August 2005) May you rest and live happily in Rainbow Bridge with the rest. You will forever be deeply missed by all.

Puppies and kittens, helpless and innocent are always roaming the streets as strays. Adopt from animal shelthers to save them.
THEY NEED YOUR HELP AND LOVE


zoeilam
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Oct 4, 2005, 4:43 PM

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Re: [crazymouse_yyh] Sunday would be a free day [In reply to] Can't Post

YYH,

Will give you call on Sat night to confirm Sun morning walk

Zoei Lam


leecy
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Oct 5, 2005, 1:46 AM

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YYH,

It's like tat, kids only learn when mistakes happened. If their parents didn't bother to educate or monitor their kids, there is nothing much we can do also.

Sometimes I do wonder why no writers write good story about dogs. Could it be, there are writers who write good story but it was edited out at the end of the day?

I heard about the stray dogs, but I seldom see the gang around Teratai Mewah. I stay there.

I only see the gang of stray dogs at Prima Setapak, near the food courts area. It was kinda of scary seeing the gang roaming around, no idea they are safe or not. But I do wonder why there is such a pack of stray dogs.

Yeah, I can understand about the purebreed thingy. My English Cocker Spaniel is a purebreed, but I didn't buy BB from a pet shop. My brother adopted it for me from someone.

BB is on long term fungal treatment for his infected paw nails. He had it before I adopted him. The vet who attended to BB was very upset about BB's condition cos such a young puppy (then one month) shouldn't get this kind of sickness.

To date, I've spent quite a hefty sum on BB's medical condition. BB tend to get sick easily. Being 1st time dog owner, I would say I've been going in and out of Animal Medical Centre so often that the reception, kennel hands and the MDs there can recognise BB. Blush

Oh dear! Think I've run off from the initial topic of this thread.



I stay at Prima Setapak b4 oso, & used to feed the strays there, well so far for those i met are frenly..

yah agree with u, fact that most of the kids who disturb our dogs are Malays, it seems like instinct or wat??

juz few days ago some malay kids saw my dog & dono y they are so excited & keep shouting dog! dog! 1 of them act like super hero walking forward & forward towards my dog, i rush out & stare at him then he reverse back step by step. these kids have to be fierce to them, no other cures!






Regards,

Yang


zoeilam
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Oct 5, 2005, 4:53 PM

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Re: [leecy] no other cures! [In reply to] Can't Post

Leecy,

Just becareful the next time you walk your dog. I am currently walking my dog around my condo area. Only weekend morning I'l take him out for walk at TIK housing area, if time permits.

Thank you for sharing your advice and experience with me. Appreciate the support and comments given in this thread.

I do not plan to continue this thread. So catch up with you in other thread.

C ya around.


Amanda85
Doggyman


Oct 5, 2005, 8:47 PM

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i usually walk my dog at tmn jaya.....yup, there r lotsa malays.....but usually i'll keep out of their way.....so not many problems......so friendly malays even claim that my dog looks cute wit weird coat.....but usually i'll get scolded by the bandaraya staff for walking my dog at the 'no dog allowed' park.....but anyhow i still return the next day.....haha.....

about teasing dogs....not only malays will do that.....even my relatives do that too....they will usually ask their kids to stay away from my dog....claiming that 'They will BITE U!!''' no matter how many zillions time i had said that my dog won't bite.....they still will not let their child to approach my dog.....i think this will only create phobia to their kids.....dunno wat kind of parent is that....

but on the other hand, some of my little cousin not afraid of my dog at all.....they even pull their tails and splash water on their face....n when my dog get angry n bark....they complaint to their parent...

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zoeilam
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Oct 5, 2005, 9:01 PM

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Re: [Amanda85] about teasing dogs....not only malays will do that..... [In reply to] Can't Post

Amanda,

Point noted. Thanks for sharing.


missyjac
Dog Kichi


Oct 16, 2005, 6:01 AM

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A neighbour recently told me that a group of malay kids threw firecrackers into her home which left a big hole in her garden. she was really heartbroken cos it may have hurt her poor cocker spaniel..

I'm afraid they will do that to mine too.. These kids are such a nuisance .. I get soo insecure ajnd angry looking at them. Mad


donno
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Nov 28, 2005, 9:47 AM

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Re: [zoeilam] My furkid & I were "attacked" during our evening walk by Malays [In reply to] Can't Post

Ignorance is not confined to race or age. I've seen adults teasing wild monkeys by the side of the road, throwing stones at iguanas, kids using sticks to provoke anteaters trapped in a drain, etc. Of course this doesn't mean that all people are like this.

It takes a bit of education and awareness to understand that all people and animals should be treated with some respect. All the above teasers and taunters are probably rarely exposed to animals other than their own pets if any. Similarly, kids brought up with little awareness and experience with dogs other than what is read in newspapers or told by parents who are equally unexposed to such pets, will not understand such pets.

Its not whether you're a malay or not, its not whether dog and pet programs are available on astro or national geographic or discovery.... Its whether you are interested or respectful of others in the first place. Dog owners too have different levels of respectfulness for their own dogs and others. It is safe to say that dog owners have respect enough to not deliberately bring their dogs to invade the privacy of people they know are not fond of dogs, and many even keep their dogs away from people other than those who indicate interest or come voluntarily.

Groups of taunting kids are not confined to Malaysia alone. I've encountered and heard of these incidents in very non-muslim countries too. Its the combination of ignorance, immature peer activity, and dare. Adult versions can be found with groups of guys whistling and shouting teases to passing girls, or anyone very different from the group.

Oops, turned out to be a bit longer than I intended..... anyway, I too am always looking for safe and friendly places for Donno to visit.


vicfion
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Dec 16, 2005, 10:02 PM

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Re: [zoeilam] about teasing dogs....not only malays will do that..... [In reply to] Can't Post

I experience what you experience before.I even found stone and waste paper on my compound.I was yell at when I walk my dog.Now I stop walking my dogs.I even have to quarrel with my neighbors.My husband use to go out of the gate and stare at the kids too.Worst, I got cops and MPSJ coming to my house to warn me.My house got broke in and I ralise the glass door open a little.So I am sure my dogs did bark and scratch the door but I bet my neighbor just thought they are nuisance and don't care about it.So this we lost our things.I was angry and wonder why I still go round and wanr people to be careful.Fiona


mbless
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Dec 17, 2005, 6:45 AM

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Re: [vicfion] about teasing dogs....not only malays will do that..... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi fiona.... my experience was slightly different. My malay neighbour love my dogs very much n they will keep bringing kittens to me to find homes for them. They know my dogs wont hurt the cats. Every time she go for holiday she will peek over n tell my dog : Auntie go holiday, u help jaga my rumah yah. But I cannot say the same for the relatives children that come to her hse. They will throw stone (n one hit my lab above the eye n the skin tear) , cans and egg shells into my house. But after i explain to the Malay neighbour she scold them n it doesnt happen again. As for my chinese neighbour, she complain to my owner ( i was renting at that time) that I had so many dogs n DBKL came (i had 3 labs n one terrier at that time all waiting to b rehome) but after explaining the ppl in DBKL quite nice coz I was nice too.....(ahem) I cooperate n explain nicely lah... of course also bluff a bit... hehe.
Actually it all depend on ppl not so much on race. Wish more education bout animals done in school lah.


vicfion
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Dec 19, 2005, 10:18 AM

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I undertand this point. Not all Malays. But my close friends told me this. She saw the Malay boys use a stick at a dog. And came running to her saying the dog bites. She only saw the dog laying there doing nothing.I had a hard time with the Paskitan(Muslim)... He quarrel with me saying my dog jump at him on the gate and scare him.And my dog biten his brother.I had never let my dog loose only did escape befopre but as I call they will come back so next day I found out, it was the next few doors' dog who biten his brother.They just love to accuse anyone.I also have 2 nice Malay neighbor who never bother my dogs.I did see Malay kids scare my dogs and disturb them before so they bark but we will get the blame that our dogs are noisy.My 2 nieghbors sucks.The on on the right quarrel with me before.And now build the wall and not to see us while the other side they build the wall beautifully and lower.Ours just one whole ugly wall up to the height of human.The left one had complain us to cop and I bet MPSJ if I am not wrong.They are Indian.So I do agree not just Malays.Worst, my house got borke in but nobody care.My dogs bark and they just treat them as nuisance only.I was so angry that I curse that those who did not care and did not help will get it soon.Sigh.So you see having dogs really make me headache :( Love dogs and people are mean to you. I had a dream to have a farm socan live further than those awful people but also cannot stand life ouot there like a dessert.Fiona


laiyee
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Dec 23, 2005, 7:25 PM

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Re: [vicfion] about teasing dogs....not only malays will do that..... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi Vicfion.....

Sometimes we also must understand if our neighbour is Malay.. Im agreed that kids are having a atitude problem..... This kind of thing we cant avoid it if we are a dog lovers....

For me, my dad have build the quite high wall between my Malay neighbour. This all we just need to avoid any misunderstanding or any inconvenience caused.

If we think in a good way, is it will be much more better ?

Cheers... Tongue


vicfion
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Dec 24, 2005, 8:11 AM

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I dont mine them building a wall but how come he build two side of wall differently... This very akward and really telling me that I don't even want to look at you... My side is one whole ugly wall while the other side beautifully built.. Very ovious but I do careless.. I don't even like them... They are Indian by the way.. So not really only Malays.... My other Malays is nice... She like me loves pets jus t that she into cats me into dogs... Fion


sausage87
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Sep 16, 2006, 2:44 AM

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Re: [zoeilam] My furkid & I were "attacked" during our evening walk by Malays [In reply to] Can't Post

ZOEILAM, let me tell you what happened to me.

I stay in Sri Kembangan in a d/storey house so that shouldn't be a problem with me having my Dachshund,Sausage. One day,while i was cleaning my house, I let Sausage into the garden to play.

The family that lives across frm me is a malay family.her 2 kids cm to my gate and started to make barking noises.Sausage doesn't bark back.only if you touch the gate or enter the compound.anyways.. those kids started throwing bread and stones into the house.the boy touched our gate and sausage became MAD! He started barking like crazy.they ran back into the house and called their parents.

They cm out and gave me this ed up look like they wanted to have a fight.what you said was right. parents should teach their kids that if you intimidate the dog,of course lar he would bark back!

gosh! these malays are so ignorant. you know, we should have our own DOG COMMUNITY HOUSING AREA where dog lovers can live in peace without hacing to worry!

SUZZANE


wibbly
Dog Kichi


May 25, 2007, 1:01 AM

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Totally agree with you. I was just saying to my fren the other day that the perception that the newspaper articles about dog attacks gives people is that the dogs attacked the kids for no reason. Either no one bothered to check whether the dog was provoked first or not or it was just omitted to create sensationalism, more drama equals higher circulation.

Anyway, kids are kids. They're playful and most of the time do not know better. So parents should educate their children on how to approach and treat not only dogs but all animals. When my neighbour's daughter first saw my puppy, she liked it very much and even kept pestering her mum for the same kind of dog and yet when she saw my puppy outside, she threw stones at it. She thought it was a way of playing with it.

Parents! You are responsible for how your kids act! Teach them the right thing and you can prevent harm from befalling them.


Lady Eloise
Dog Kichi


May 25, 2007, 9:48 AM

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I could sense your frustration here.

I once let my dog run at the beach. Suddenly, there were children and adults around. To my surprise my dog took off like a rocket heading towards the enemy. However, my pup wanted to play as he loves kids (most kids around my neighborhood often give him treat) but not to attack anyone! He never did anyway. He did sniff a bit and circulate around waggling his tail around them but suddenly, one of the adults (a non- Muslim guy) turned to me and viciously said- "you all dog owners are all the same!" Not interested to dignify his statement with any replies, I apologized and took my dogs away from him and the rest. It seems to me at that point, he looked like he was on the verge of 'hentam' my face.

I felt guilty but it is beyond my comprehension why people could be so harsh to that extend. My neighbour is a Malay family and they love my dog. The wife loves to bake and the kids often 'speak' to my dog. The wife sometimes make plain cookies for my dog. I come back late once a while and they will re-fill the bowl with water outside. I feel extremely lucky for that. However, it thought me a great lesson- never unleash my dog again especially if someone or strangers near especially in the public areas. Leash! leash! leash! thats what I keep telling myself every time (though my dog loves to walk free along the beach being a silly boy)

The attitude of Malaysians (majority) towards animal treatments like for dogs is appalling sometimes regardless one's race and background. A simple mistake they will treat a dog owner like us a criminal or deviant.





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Dog behaviorist.

(This post was edited by Lady Eloise on May 25, 2007, 10:12 AM)


blitzen
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Jun 29, 2007, 12:24 AM

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Re: [Lady Eloise] My furkid & I were "attacked" during our evening walk by Malays [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm having a problem here too. Some months back a family moved in next door. All their kids ever do when they are in their compound is to provoke my dog by imitating barks and all sorts of noises. This usually caused my dog to bark back too. Otherwise my dog is usually quiet unless strangers at the gate. I have yet to approach their parents, reason being before I could, they've been giving me hostile looks. At times I even find rubbish thrown over my compound. Nowadays I've resorted to keeping my dog indoor whenever I see their kids outside. But what a way to live, right? For now, I can only wait patiently for my tenancy to end (thank goodness I'm only renting) and look for another place to move to. It's sad as I've been staying in the same place for the last 5 years without any problem. Never know one difficult neighbour can change all that.


valanese
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Jul 19, 2007, 7:45 PM

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Re: [blitzen] My furkid & I were "attacked" during our evening walk by Malays [In reply to] Can't Post

ive my share of encounters with Malays particular who sees me holding my toy dog in supermarket and walk a mile around me so afraid the dog may jump and mutate her or something which is awfully silly cause I move to one side carrying my dog very tightly and there was gap walking area huge for fat man to pass and sometimes surprising pleasant experience like when I went to saloon with my dog on my lap there was this Malay guy waiting for his gf doing her hair and I move aside and he said quickly; no no donít need to move away I like dogs and he smiled....and his gf is the type conservative wearing tudung.

my suggestion is to create awareness like maybe a poster or a rally telling ppl or even casually talking to some malay friends if this topic comes up on how to not provoke dogs and understand body language of dogs....like dont run or shout madly creating attention to dog to play/attack.its pity that the islamic teaching here is so shallow regards to dogs

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