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Jan 3, 2010, 8:42 AM
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Re: [ghostrider] Any DOBERMANS fans here?
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Hello ghostrider,
1) This dog has a serious separation anxiety problem.
2) She was aggressive prior to boarding. She lunged & tried to bite one of our rescued dogs & the owner kissed the dog right after that. The dog then went for my face & I was shocked mostly because the owners did nothing to stop the misbehaviour.
3) They brought both their dogs for training because both were uncontrollable. The owners REFUSED to send the dog back to his friend who previously trained Finna because they didn't like his methods as they said it was "military-like." This was exactly their own words. We actually know that trainer in person & he told us that he beat the dog in front of the owners because he doesn’t believe in “giving her face.” This is not to say that we have anything against this trainer’s method. Every trainer has his own method so long as it works & is REALISTIC, then he knows what he’s doing just like we know what we’re doing although our methods are different.
4) On the 1st day they came to our place, we could do nothing because the dogs were completely unruly. They locked both the owners out of their car. The owners parked the car, left the engine & A/C on to come out to say hello. Before they knew it, the dogs were jumping & rocking the car & accidentally locked the car. The owners were stuck & desperate & struggling to get back into their car from about 7 to 9p.m.! Two whole hours! We tried to help them by calling the mechanic but it was already closed. The 1st meeting was therefore a total fiasco.
5) Finna is NOT a “tiny wittle” puppy. She was 9 months old when she came to us & already having her heat. She was about 30 kilos & the size of a full grown Dobermann.
6) The 2nd time the owner came over was for a training session. He paid up half the fees & told us to wait for his call for the next session since he owns his own company & the time was his own. Therefore he could make his own appointment. He never called eventhough he paid. He said he was busy.
7) The 2nd training session took place at our house. We showed them what to do & they were VERY happy & IMPRESSED when they saw me handling Finna with no compulsions or yelling at all but training was not followed up. This was the session when Finna lunged at our dogs. As mentioned, instead of reprimanding the dog, the owner kissed the dog. We told him not to do that. Whose fault is it that the dog is like that?
8) The 3rd time he came was already for boarding, He BEGGED us to take in Finna because the other trainer didn’t want to take & she was in heat. The male had to be separated & was put at Edee's sister's place. The owner’s name was Renny & by the time he came, he said he was already leaving for America the next day so please please take her. We were very reluctant when he told us of her character. From his own mouth he said, she's going to howl the place down. She's very loud & she can go on barking & screaming all night long until she gets what she wants. She cannot be left alone because she has a separation anxiety problem & is also destructive. We said we will try but if there's any problem, we'll let the relative know to take her home early. With that agreement, he left Finna with us.
9) However, as explained to the owners, we cannot be with Finna 24 hours of the day. Every Sunday, we go for training & we can't bring her along because a) she’s in heat b) too many dogs to handle in the training field. Eventhough we have to leave her behind, we never leave her alone in the house. When we go for training, my brother would be with her. The first time, he took her upstairs to be with him while he watched TV but she started her nonsense by peeing on the floor. There was so much urine, it flowed all the way down the stairs. We called the owners. Renee & Edee were horrified when they heard this & APOLOGIZED like hell.
10) The 2nd time we went out to buy dinner, we put her downstairs with our dogs. She was tied on the banister of the staircase but she brought the whole bookcase down & chewed up all our books including our irreplaceable marriage photographs as well as imported magazines from Australia. (Yes ghostrider, this is the ONLY part of your story that you got right.) When that happened, we again called the owners. They again APOLOGIZED like mad & said they were coming back early NOT because of the dog but because they were suffering from a terrible flu. Infact, they did not get to go around the US as planned because they were both sick in the hotel room. Get your facts right ghostrider!
11) The 3rd time it happened, we had to go for training again. Again, my brother was with her while she was out there in the porch. She was beside herself with rage & tore up the whole porch along with the plants, etc. My brother could do nothing to stop her because she is a BIG aggressive dog & my brother is not a trainer.
12) Fourth time it happened, we couldn't take it anymore. This time we put her in a cage while we had to go out for a short while. I had to go for a job interview. Obviously I could not take her with me. But as we were driving off, we could hear her thrashing & smashing herself inside the cage. When we came back, she was covered in urine & saliva. We thought she would have wrecked the cage but surprisingly, it was still intact. If she had wrecked the cage, that would have caused your dear “friend” another RM500 because it’s an imported steel cage. Because she was always a total mess of herself, we had to bathe her several times. By this fourth time, we could not take it anymore & immediately called the relative to come & take the dog. And that was how she went home.
I do not know where you heard YOUR VERSION of the story about Finna. Was it from Renny & Edee themselves because if it is, we're going to call them tomorrow & confront them with this story. Please IDENTIFY yourself so that we can mention your name. We still have Renee & Edee's telephone number & we would like to have this story clarified.
a) DID they apologize to us profusely for their dog's behavior & for destroying our house?
b) Did they come to us because they wanted to take training from us?
c) Did they BEG us to take Finna in?
d) Did they acknowledge the problem with their dog & pay us back for the damages the dog caused? All the damages were documented in photographs which we showed them when they came to apologize. Ask them these Qs before you talk. Don't talk without finding out the truth.
e) Did they tell us that Finna was a problem in their own house & therefore they are seeking our help because they can’t control her?
And now to refute what you said in your story…
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"From what I had been told, the puppy had never behaved like that before when with the owner or at the owner's home."
This is absolutely not true! What you are saying is a serious accusation. We are going to bring this up with Renny & Edee themselves to ask them why they told such a blatant lie to you if indeed this is what they said. I really want to get to the bottom of this. From Renee's mouth himself, he warned us that the dog has a serious case of separation anxiety. At home, when he has to go out, he would actually tie her to his bed upstairs & from the outside on the road, he would hear the bed thumping on the ground as the dog would be lunging & screaming & pulling the bed to get out of the room. I cannot remember what else he’s told me about the dog but generally it’s around the issue that Finna is a difficult dog.
One last thing, she never had a sore on her face. Where did you get that from? She had hot spots due to the fact that the owner said he keeps her in A/C 24/7 because she’s from Germany & would like to replicate the weather there. We on the other hand did not use A/C, otherwise our boarding fee would be double the amount. However, she had a fan & she was kept very comfortable always lying on a dog bed because the owner said he didn’t want her to have sores on her elbows due to her weight on the hard ground. Because of the Malaysian weather, she developed hot spots. She never had a sore on her face. Oh by the way, WE were the ones who took her to the Vet & got her a cream for her hotspots.
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“If you're that same trainer I don't see how you can be so irresponsible and still have the gall to proclaim to the world how good you are at training dogs when you can't even handle a little Weimaraner puppy!”
As mentioned earlier, she was not a “wittle” Weimaraner puppy. She was big & strong but I was able to handle her with no problem therefore, I AM a good trainer. I did not have to resort to whacking, beating, kicking, using other training told besides a choke collar, etc, to train her so yes, I DARE say I am a good trainer.
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“I'm sure my friend will be most happy to verify this story is true if and when called upon to do so.”
Your friend would be Renee & Edee I presume & yes please call them tp verify & yes please YOU come forward too. We would really like to have this put on the table.
p/s: Before going to America, they said they were also going there to check out a male Weim puppy to mate with Finna. They were even talking about bringing back the sperm & etc etc etc. We advised them against this because they haven’t got both their dogs in order & they’re looking for a 3rd one. And yes, eventhough they were sick, they made the journey to some breeder to look for the puppy but the breeder either was not around or has passed away or something like that so their journey to the breeder’s house was unsuccessful.
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(This post was edited by GoldenAddict on Jan 3, 2010, 8:45 AM)
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We brought this dog at petshop. But this pet shop are expert in doberman dog, so that we brought from there(we have survey many place b4 we brought this dog back). As my doctor told me my dogs having a small scratch on his dog b4 its turn to 'bengkak'. Cos we din't notice and cure it immediately so tat it will be infection already. Cos my dogs like to scratch the wall around (we put him on the balcony area). I think is not a big issue for his leg now, cos already cure. Big problem are he always bark non stop only. Keep looking for ppl acompany him. he can bark for 5 hours non-stop during we go out for work.
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