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Lex Ang
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Oct 17, 2005, 7:43 PM

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Hi Friends,

Anyone keeping or kept Neapolitan Mastiff? I would like to know if they are suitable for our tropical region especially in health wise eg. skin conditions.

Thank you
Best Wishes


colinchin
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Oct 17, 2005, 8:09 PM

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Hi Lex,

Nice to hear that you like Neo. What about your search on Presa and Cane Corso breeds ? Seen a few Neos a couple of years back, think they are quite susceptible to some skin irritation. This is based on what I can recall now.


Lex Ang
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Oct 18, 2005, 6:37 AM

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Hi Colin

How are you recently?

oh yes! I love Neo too, but not all the phenotype. In fact, I like most molossers and protection dogs.

Yup that what I heard too. Due to our hot and humid weather, they get skin disorder and heat stroke if not properly taken care. That why I want to learn from ppl who keep them in our region on their experience, thus decide to keep or admire them in future.

Regardin Presa and Cane, I think I am still quite inform in Presa so I am learnin Cane Corso as compare to presa in order to get a better perspective. Because I am more interested in guardianship and protection so most my question asked is regarding these area. I manage to sort out a general view from most of the trainers from overseas, who have experience with both the breeds. They believe Cane are more sociable than Presa, thus if you are bring dog out often they will go with Cane. Presa will have a slight edge over Cane on Guardianship. On protection and guarding can't go wrong with both the breeds. They also believe no matter what breed it is, 65% of the final behaviour depend alot on the raising and training of the dog.

Best Wishes
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Lex Ang
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Oct 22, 2005, 4:20 AM

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Hi

Testing ... testing .... can anyone read my last reply?

Thanks
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koolfang
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Oct 22, 2005, 5:31 PM

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yeah lex... read u loud and clear... wow, u're into molosser breed eh... well i dunno much about neo or cane or presa or even fila. all i know is that these breeds are old breeds and its hard to confirm whether the breed is pure if manage to come across any here... i saw a neo in whelp once when i went to a guy's house to look at his apbt for sale in melaka. this guy construct a small room in his house compound and charge people who wants to put their bitch there for whelping. that was probably the 1st time i saw a neo and compare to what i c from the net n books, that neo i saw doesn't look like a neo. she barks loud but has nerve problem. look n sound fearce but when we open the door, she's afraid to come out... not condemning the breed tho but i'll just stick to high drive and hard nerve dogs...apbt

i'm into molosser also but its hard to get the good breeds here... inform me if u come across any good dogo or am bulldog...


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RealityDreamer
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Oct 22, 2005, 9:58 PM

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Hi Lex,
Have seen a couple around. They look like thay have pretty good skin even around the muzzle & dewlaps(but horrible,horrible,horrible structure-they look like they have hip & joint problems). These are the ones that I have seen only though.
Not sure if they are suitable as I have also heard the same abt this breed.
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Lex Ang
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Oct 23, 2005, 1:45 AM

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Hi Koolfang!!!Smile

Its really nice meeting any friends who love molossers. Thank you Thank you so much for your contribution. Yup, I believe nerve is an issue when we are searching for guardian or protection dogs. The lack of solid nerves happen to all breeds just have to choose carefully.

Oh I am staying in Singapore in fact, but will definitely keep you inform if I hear any good Dogo or Am bulldog breeders in our region. I like Am Bulldod too!

Cheers!
Best Wishes


Lex Ang
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Oct 23, 2005, 2:04 AM

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Hi RealityDreamer,

Thank you Thank you for your contribution.

Havent hear from your for a while. How life going ?

Yup, that what I seen too, most are not with good structure and some are very timid. Guess they are more of a piece of art when ship to a humid and hot country.
Best Wishes


colinchin
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Oct 24, 2005, 8:32 PM

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Hi Colin

How are you recently?

oh yes! I love Neo too, but not all the phenotype. In fact, I like most molossers and protection dogs.

Yup that what I heard too. Due to our hot and humid weather, they get skin disorder and heat stroke if not properly taken care. That why I want to learn from ppl who keep them in our region on their experience, thus decide to keep or admire them in future.

Regardin Presa and Cane, I think I am still quite inform in Presa so I am learnin Cane Corso as compare to presa in order to get a better perspective. Because I am more interested in guardianship and protection so most my question asked is regarding these area. I manage to sort out a general view from most of the trainers from overseas, who have experience with both the breeds. They believe Cane are more sociable than Presa, thus if you are bring dog out often they will go with Cane. Presa will have a slight edge over Cane on Guardianship. On protection and guarding can't go wrong with both the breeds. They also believe no matter what breed it is, 65% of the final behaviour depend alot on the raising and training of the dog.

Best Wishes

Hi Lex,

Good to see you around. Any chance of you crossing over the causeway. If you are may be we can meet up and talk dogs over a cup of coffee. What do you think ? 012-2585460, 07-2233580. Cheers. Hear from you again.


Lex Ang
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Oct 24, 2005, 8:44 PM

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Hi Colin,

I appreciate your invitation. Definitely, if I am going over to Johor I will drop you any email in advance so we can arrange a meeting.

And of course if you come over to Singapore pls inform me. haozhian .sg. I can bring you around and look at the doggies places in Singapore but of course it won't be as exciting than Malaysia I guess.

Best Wishes

Alex
Best Wishes


colinchin
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Oct 24, 2005, 8:50 PM

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Hi Colin,

I appreciate your invitation. Definitely, if I am going over to Johor I will drop you any email in advance so we can arrange a meeting.

And of course if you come over to Singapore pls inform me. haozhian .sg. I can bring you around and look at the doggies places in Singapore but of course it won't be as exciting than Malaysia I guess.

Best Wishes

Alex

Hi Lex,

What dogs would you wanna show me ?


koolfang
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Oct 24, 2005, 9:45 PM

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Hi Colin,

I appreciate your invitation. Definitely, if I am going over to Johor I will drop you any email in advance so we can arrange a meeting.

And of course if you come over to Singapore pls inform me. haozhian .sg. I can bring you around and look at the doggies places in Singapore but of course it won't be as exciting than Malaysia I guess.

Best Wishes

Alex

hey... johor and melaka not that far what, maybe u can drop by melaka when u're in johor... anyway colin, when are u coming la....? pups will grow la. anyway we didn't manage to finish our conversation. my fren has a apbt on heat and would allow anyone who is interested to breed the bitch. he juz wants 2 pups from the breeding. the rest belongs to the stud... know anyone...?

Alex, i guess melaka not as good as johor when come to k9 breeds n i dunno many people here as well... if u're into apbt then can la but then again, singapore also ban the breed rite... u know any molosser breed in singapore? i seldom go to singapore, maybe once in few years but if its for the dogs, then i juz might make the trip there...


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koolfang
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Oct 24, 2005, 9:52 PM

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chloe... how's axl/axel... michael told u about playing in the rain...? wow... u never stop to amaze me... what other breeds that u don't know...? rather than me asking what breed u know, might as well ask what breed that u dont coz it'll be fewer than what u know rite...

so how's the exams coming... any news about jason's boxer...? pls keep me update on what's happening there...


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RealityDreamer
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Oct 25, 2005, 6:56 AM

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Hi Lex Smile
Been pretty busy lately...got my hands full with a new baby gator & preparation for exams.

Btw,I saw this presa(mix?) at some sort of pet centre when I was in S'pore. Think the place was called Ericson Pet Farm or smth along those lines. They told me they let the dog roam & guard the premises at night.

Any info on tht dog? Is he pure(any idea of his lineage)? Trained?

How bout u? How's ur search coming along?
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RealityDreamer
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Oct 25, 2005, 7:08 AM

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Hey Dennis,
He's doing pretty good. Drives starting to show & getting more n more scars Pirate lol. His fur is getting on my nerves tho. I don't think I'll enjoy bathing him when he's full grown(got used to BM n Dobe).

haha...there's alot more I don't noe.Cannot compare to u "dog men" la.

Well...still studying..exam's coming soon too. She seems to be getting better albeit slowly.
Smile

Btw,wht's ur email/contact? Can update u easier that way.Smile
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Lex Ang
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Oct 25, 2005, 8:00 AM

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Hi Koolfang,

Thank you so much, I love to b'coz i havent been to melaka before. if I am going over will definitely inform you coz I will need you to be my tour guide pls...hee..hee

ooh I like to learn more on apbt too. I am still able to find some ban breeds in Singapore e.g. apbt, akita, but most of their owners are quite low profile and some of the breeds are not register with the government bodies using their actual breed name. Regarding molosser in Singapore, yup we have Dogue de Bordeaux and Bullmastiff as the most commonly seen, but frankly, I have never seen any nice one yet. others are usually a few scatter around Singapore.

We do not have much ppl in Singapore doing real property guardian or PP training so most of the molosser you see ard are for showing off. Thats the sad thing, embarrass to say, most singaporeans only want to have big big guard dogs and they never think of other issue like the hips or nerves...haiz
Best Wishes


Lex Ang
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Oct 25, 2005, 9:04 AM

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Wow! its so nice working with a new pup. Gd Luck for your exam too.

If you are talking about the Presa in Ericssion Pet farm, his name is Gao, If I am not wrong he is from Dark Force Kennel in US. I do consider him as a pure Presa just that he is slightly oversize for a Presa if you follow the standard. And from his looks, I think Great Dane was used in the construction of his forefathers. I am sorry I am not too sure about his lineage. Gao is the great great grandfather of many locally bred Presa and Presa X in Singapore. I believe he is not specially trained in PP, but maybe yes for basic property guarding. According to his ex owner, Gao was abit unstable regarding his temperment eg. Gao will sometimes show aggression towards him even at a close distant and he has to reassure Gao its him. I guess that is one of the reason why he sold him.

oh I am good waiting for my sch to starts nxt yr and in the mean time upgrading myself. Regarding my research on cane I had posted the result in one of my reply in this thread.

Best Wishes
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Lex Ang
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Oct 25, 2005, 9:14 AM

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Hi Colin,

I can bring you ard Singapore Doggies places like all the farm and shops arounds. And if we have a chance we can going and see some Presa Canario.
Best Wishes


RealityDreamer
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Oct 25, 2005, 11:00 AM

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Hi Lex,
We were talking abt PP dogs with 1 or 2 of the GSD enthusiasts...n 1 mentioned that S'pore is so safe that they don't really think abt serious PP. What do u think? Any truth in that?

Thanks for the info on Gao. I couldn't really see his head...he looked a lil more mastiff-ish than the usual presa's to me at the time.

Hehe...yea it is great fun. Just out of curiosity..how many dogs/wht breed hv u owned/currently own?Smile

P.S. Thanks! Gonna need it.
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koolfang
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Oct 25, 2005, 5:53 PM

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Chloe, i don't know if the admin will delete my e-mail and number or but anyway if u can't see it here, u can ask from michael... 013-6187118 and koolfang at yahoo.com

hey, check out the apbt pups pictures i attached at the apbt thread... a1 has the most food drive... 1st to come juz like siva's bitch that u liked...


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colinchin
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Oct 25, 2005, 5:55 PM

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Hi Colin,

I can bring you ard Singapore Doggies places like all the farm and shops arounds. And if we have a chance we can going and see some Presa Canario.

Hi Lex,

Thanks. Certainly looking forward to the outing trip. Cheers.


Lex Ang
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Oct 25, 2005, 7:54 PM

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Hi RealityDreamer,

oh I personally feels that no matter how safe it is in Singapore. we still need to concentration on your own property or safety defence. We still have burglars breaking into houses once in a while. And its quite scary travelling alone in a remote area here too. Remembering years back, there is a young girl in her early 20s, she got raped while jogging alone in a park. So you really don't know when the crooks will strike. I also believe we can not leave all the job to the police, we have to do our own part in protecting your own belongings. We still have shopping center n private bulidings using guard dogs to dog patroling in the night.

And beside using the dogs as security guards, they are gd companions too. No offence, its my own opinions, dogs you don't need to worry about how much to pay them per mths or their annual leave and benefits as compare to a human security guard. You just have to feed them once a day and shower them with love 5 to 10 mins everyday. They will then work for you 24 hrs and they have a much higher alertness than any human.

Best wishes
Best Wishes


boon
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Oct 25, 2005, 10:43 PM

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No offence, its my own opinions, dogs you don't need to worry about how much to pay them per mths or their annual leave and benefits as compare to a human security guard. You just have to feed them once a day and shower them with love 5 to 10 mins everyday. They will then work for you 24 hrs and they have a much higher alertness than any human.

Bathe them 5 to 10 minutes everyday ? are they 4 legged fish or what ? To own, maintain, up keep them as a 'worker' u just need to send back for training/retrain/refinement.....

not a low cost 'worker' as u though.....

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
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Lex Ang
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No offence, its my own opinions, dogs you don't need to worry about how much to pay them per mths or their annual leave and benefits as compare to a human security guard. You just have to feed them once a day and shower them with love 5 to 10 mins everyday. They will then work for you 24 hrs and they have a much higher alertness than any human.

Bathe them 5 to 10 minutes everyday ? are they 4 legged fish or what ? To own, maintain, up keep them as a 'worker' u just need to send back for training/retrain/refinement.....

not a low cost 'worker' as u though.....

oh I am sorry let me re-phrase it. I mean just devote 5 to 10 mins to them everyday for a short tug-a-war game or others with them. In order to motivate them and make them feel that you are giving them some attention.

oh I mean if you are using them as property guardian, do we need intense training like what we do for french ring. schutzhund or etc? I believe we can custom a training programme depending on individual situation like the size of ur house and what are the possible mode of breaking in. As long as your dogs can counter these that will be good in enough. once in a while get different group of strangers to agitate them from outside to build up n maintain their confidence. I don't need to send them back for any training I guess these work, I believe as an owner you can work and refine them on your own and its also a gd time to spend with your dogs.Smile
Best Wishes


boon
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Oct 26, 2005, 4:45 PM

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Hi,

When i mentioned retrain/refinement... i do not meant for ring or schh....it is what u and i understand by the word og 'guardian' jaga rumah right ....

U need to make sure they're in control all the time....and simply find a group of strangers to so call make him feel more confident will lead u to nothing more than 1 ending.....dead end.

By agitation the dog, and keep doing it that way......without a release and relief.....god bless...

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


RealityDreamer
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Oct 26, 2005, 4:59 PM

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Got it Smile
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RealityDreamer
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Oct 26, 2005, 5:12 PM

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Hey Lex,
Agreed.
No offence taken here as I think the same too. Cool
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Lex Ang
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Oct 26, 2005, 8:22 PM

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Hi,

When i mentioned retrain/refinement... i do not meant for ring or schh....it is what u and i understand by the word og 'guardian' jaga rumah right ....

U need to make sure they're in control all the time....and simply find a group of strangers to so call make him feel more confident will lead u to nothing more than 1 ending.....dead end.

By agitation the dog, and keep doing it that way......without a release and relief.....god bless...
Hi Boon,

I appreciate your opinons. Pardon my ignorance, can you explain to me in details what will be the consequences without releasing? And usually what are the methods you use for a release and relief? Do you have any methods you wish sharing with me?

Hey no worries realitydreamer, I am totally not offended. I agree with Boon too. We are all try to exchange knowledge in order to improve. I love to hear a wide range of views.
Best Wishes


boon
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Oct 26, 2005, 8:35 PM

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Hi,

Put it this way...think of agitation same like u r pumping air into the balloon nr filling water into the bottle...at certain point, certain time, certain condition....one find moment where the balloon will explode and the bottle with water will be full.

Same for agitation to a said dog...keep agitating and keep agitating...when the time come for him to bite (be it for testing/training/REAL) do u think u can get him to OUT ? or the dog will fully charged at the crook/helper/strager or his/her prey item.

What i meant by release was after some agitation work...u need to release his tention or should i call it satisfy his needs by (may be a bite....or some manwork)...that way u will keep a balance in the dog and he know the release point will come...ur key here is to make sure that u r in control...u r the only one that he take command for whether to bite or stand beside u and get ready....

my english is not good, i hope u get what i mean by that....may be chloe can help to explain further...i know u can ok....

By the way...why we need to agitate the dog ? naturally they know how to bite, they know how to sit, they know how to down...and etc etc...

Think of it ok....

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Oct 26, 2005, 8:38 PM)


RealityDreamer
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Oct 27, 2005, 4:05 AM

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Boon,
Your english sounds fine to me Cool
but..
I do not undertand your second theory...
What do u mean by "By the way...why we need to agitate the dog ? naturally they know how to bite, they know how to sit, they know how to down...and etc etc... "
I suppose they naturally noe how to bite..it's just when that we need to train for. Not sure if that is what u mean... Frown
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boon
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Oct 27, 2005, 5:29 AM

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I ask Lex to think about it...y we need to train for things that they already know naturally....

simple answer...CONTROL.

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RealityDreamer
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Oct 27, 2005, 9:54 PM

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Lex Ang
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Oct 28, 2005, 3:16 AM

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Hi Boon,

I deeply appreciate your enlightenment and pls don't worry about your English because mine aren't good too.

I agree with your point let me know if I am wrong. You are saying by allowing the dog to bite on decoy or any form of human agitator after a few agitation session will help the dog to release and in turn you can train to control the dog aggression. Let say get him to release a burglar when command is given?

Can I check with you if we have the agitator holding on to a bite sleeve or any object he use to agitate the dog, when the dog gets very aggressive the agitator will release the object for the dog to bite on then run off does it actually helps in training the control too?

I am sorry another question, let say we don't allow the dog to bite, we just continue to let him be agitated as what I mentioned in my previous post. Does it mean when someone really break into the property the dog will charge all the way and attack the stranger/ burglar until he/she stop struggling? (Like what happen in a dog fight)

Thanks?
Best Wishes


RealityDreamer
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Oct 28, 2005, 8:01 AM

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Hi Lex,
I am not Boon...but I hope u don't mind me butting in..Blush

"You are saying by allowing the dog to bite on decoy or any form of human agitator after a few agitation session will help the dog to release and in turn you can train to control the dog aggression. Let say get him to release a burglar when command is given?"

From my understanding,allowing him to bite is to release stress built up from the agitation. The control is pretty much how u train the other commands.

For a real protection dog,he will be concentrating on the person.Not the object. The sleeve is merely to protect the decoy. Most serious PP dogs would spit the sleeve out & ignore it completely when the decoy agitates him again. I don't think that has anything to do with control. It teaches young dogs that by just biting the sleeve,it isn;t going to stop the threat.

"Let say we don't allow the dog to bite, we just continue to let him be agitated as what I mentioned in my previous post. Does it mean when someone really break into the property the dog will charge all the way and attack the stranger/ burglar until he/she stop struggling? (Like what happen in a dog fight)"

This is where there will be different opinions. IMO,a dog who has not been taught to bite will not bite or at least he will not be able to stop a man(there are exceptions of course). During training,a dog is taught that he can always win. Giving him confidence. So that when there is a real life situation,he has the confidence that he can win. I have seen dogs who were trained without being allowed to win. Their bite was weak & they were insecure. So if u do not allow the dog to bite,he does not noe that he can win...if the man were to gv a severe blow..it might shake his confidence & u might not get a very effective manstopper. Most dogs will stop biting/attacking when they feel the intruder is no longer a threat. That I think is up to the individual dog if u do not train how to end an attack.

Hope this helps.
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boon
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Oct 28, 2005, 5:06 PM

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More or less Chloe had said it all.....She and myself been there, tried it, took bites from the real dog where the man is his only target, bite sleeve is never his target and prey item...and Lex, can u imagine how dare she is to took the bite from that well trained and 101%in control dog....when she was 16 i believe

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I am sorry another question, let say we don't allow the dog to bite, we just continue to let him be agitated as what I mentioned in my previous post. Does it mean when someone really break into the property the dog will charge all the way and attack the stranger/ burglar until he/she stop struggling? (Like what happen in a dog fight)

It really depends.....that's all i can tell....

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


koolfang
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Oct 28, 2005, 6:09 PM

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boon,

u took bite and u saw chloe took bites before... have we met...? were u at azman's place...? heard u have have zps line working gsd... very impressive... mind pouring some knowledge or share with inexperience dog lovers like us...?


- its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog...


RealityDreamer
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Oct 28, 2005, 6:15 PM

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Lex Ang
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Oct 28, 2005, 6:44 PM

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Hey, of course not. I welcome all contributions and your post will educate all forum mates too

I totally agreed with you. Thats what I experience too, what you say is a real protection dogs to me. Unlike those I seen in Singapore they are just sleeve happy... Frown I was thinking after the dog has gone th'ru all the stages you mentioned in your previous post, what are the possible senarios we can set up for him as an exercise so when it come to the real situation they won't be confuse.

Sorry for my ignorance, can I check with you what are the ways you use initially to starts a young (3mths to 6mths) pups prepare for protection work in the future?

I am impress of what Boon said about you. Keep it up! I hardly find people like to in Singapore nowadays.
Best Wishes


Lex Ang
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Oct 28, 2005, 6:51 PM

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Thanks Boon, Yup I think she made great sense in her post. You do provide great contribution too. I appreciate it. Smile I am impressed by her too. good people you have around your place.
Best Wishes


boon
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Oct 28, 2005, 7:05 PM

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Hi,

I'm not sure if i met you before..i had been to Azman's place many times bit not as often like those taht stay in the klang valley.

R u referring to my boy ? Bosco ? u just need to meet him in person to get to know what zPS and Czech line is all about....Blush

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


boon
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Oct 28, 2005, 7:13 PM

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Aiyah....ok 15 then....Cool

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


koolfang
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Oct 28, 2005, 7:47 PM

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cool, where about are u...? penang, perak or johor...? i wouldn't mind going the distance to face a zPS gsd and take the bite...... always fascinated by zPS dog and honestly, haven't had the pleasure to take one's bite... opinion on van den heuvel...? any comments on DDR...?


- its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog...


boon
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Oct 28, 2005, 7:53 PM

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i'm sure u will have a chance to meet the zPS dogs locally in Malaysia....

VDH = hmmm Dari James is a nice lady which have a few legends with her now and....and the rest i guess u better find out you own...not to say that i don share but is not good for me to comments about others over here where they are not in the forum to justify themselves.

DDR ? what u need to know....history ? lineage ? ddr chart ? their system about GSD....what's what's ?

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


RealityDreamer
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Oct 29, 2005, 7:55 AM

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Hi Lex,
Hehehe...sleeve happy dogs r not PP dogs Tongue

Well,possible scenarios...anywhere a crime can happen. So u can try just abt anything. What I like to test is how well the dog can discriminate in a crowd. Or when someone grabs u,can he target the threat's arm? Test him under all terrain,all weather,different surfaces,different heights,different distractions...can even try putting a bitch on heat nearby.Should also socialize him with "good" ppl so that he knows the difference.

There's nth to be sorry abt.. Smile For a PP dog,I would socialize the lil guy like mad. Also,I would do plenty of OB. If it were my PP dog,his obedience must b really good b4 I will start any defense & bitework. I would also give the same foundation as a schH dog for bitework. This is just to teach where the dog should target...tho some pp dogs choose themselves later on Tongue So up to u where u want ur dog to target.Also,don't 4get to teach ur dog to bite the offending arm(or leg)

IMO,anyone can take a bite..as long as ur physically capable. To be a good helper...now that's smth else.Cool
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Lex Ang
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Oct 29, 2005, 10:36 PM

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Hi Chloe,

Is the picture your new baby, so GORGOUS!! my heart melting Smile

oh thanks alot for your suggestions. Hmm.. great ideas you have. Can you recommend me any books or any form of articles,where I can learn more about the protection sport?

Also do you happen to know anyone in Singapore doing protection sports?
Best Wishes


RealityDreamer
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Oct 30, 2005, 8:49 AM

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Hey Lex,
Haha..yes. Tht is my new gator,Axel Smile Loves pants,shoes,socks & anythin else he can get his mouth on.

On books..here's a thread I started a while back..

www.puppy.com.my/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=104102#104102

Hmm..I read quite a bit on the net. Can't recall which articles or where they were from tho. U could try leerburg's board. Good info & healthy discussions there. Frown

Hmm...the only ppl I noe interested in SchH r the one's in the S'pore GSD club.They are more into show tho..

here's their site:
gsdc.org.sg/v1/#

Hope this helps.

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Lex Ang
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Oct 31, 2005, 7:42 AM

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Dear Chloe,

Thanks they are definitely of great help. Yup, I will look at them soon.

oh yup, they are the only ones qualified in papers to practise Schh. Pardon me pls, I personally find them a little business minded in share infomation of that sort.

Deeply appreciated
Best Wishes


RealityDreamer
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Oct 31, 2005, 9:31 AM

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Hi Lex,

Ur welcome Smile

If u don't mind,do keep me updated on ur search.
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Lex Ang
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Nov 1, 2005, 3:34 AM

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No worries Chloe, I will inform you if I come across anything interesting. We can learn from each other.

Best Wishes

Alex
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