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skipper
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Oct 26, 2004, 1:22 AM

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Smileno worrys man/mdm......i'm cool. I appreciate those who are learned and knows what they are talking about. I'm still very much a novice and still learning. Unlike some ppl who just dont admit it.Tongueand think that they know everything.

cheersWink



LolůSounds like you were referring to a person(s)?? Hmm...Wonder who eh?? Well, there are things in life cannot be taught but caught. Cheers.


LCK
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Oct 26, 2004, 1:33 AM

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hi LCK,



Do u mind eleborate more........this is interesting.......how would this apply to a working GSD ? like may be a nerve of steel, driveys male but a bit aggressive (civil edge) mated to the average/moderate working female with calm temperement or a show bitch (hope not yucks) ............will actually

  1. dilute the nerve ? drives ? of the male ?
  2. produce an animals with moderate nerve/drives with calm temperement
  3. or best of both world with the high drivey and nerve of steel dog with super calm temperement....




Boon not sure what you mean by "driveys male", "civil edge". Maybe these are working GSD terms? So perhaps you could elaborate?

But to me if you're breeding working line GSD's why not stick to working line GSD's whose natural instincts have been honed and heightened over several generations to work. As i mentioned before any dog can be trained to do work, but i guess it may be a bit easier if the working instinct has been there are cultivated in the ancestors for a few generations already. JMHO. Surch what are your thoughts?




LCK Cool
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Dachshunds of Distinction


ricky
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Oct 26, 2004, 1:39 AM

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All the sifu sharing their value experience....those novice like us must learn as much as we can...Sly

Keep going...share more !!! Tongue
friendly,
RicKY




clangan
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Oct 26, 2004, 2:28 AM

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Alamak,

No one is born to know everything leh...but there are ppl who knows enough but yet not enough...but warrant a de-bark by fellow dog kaki in pursuit! Then there is ppl who knows very little but yet very loud, and there are some super know everything and do not say a word! Hmmm.....

But to uncle LCK and uncle Skipper, I will bow to your hands-on on papayas, you are already sifus when I was only milking..! But are you ever going to judge a dog show? Your advise will be in vain when you and your dogs are judge by your so-called not so novice Sly!!!!!!! So, brothers, save your hot pursuits and you will be judged...!!! "In Dogs We Trust"



(I heard the de-barking funds has reach its all time high, jom, mari kita minum...! Alcohol and fresh fruits bunch soften the loud mouth down mah!)


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clangan
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Oct 26, 2004, 3:01 AM

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By the way Boon, you can get LCK e-mails if you wanna know more about working GSD!!! All i know is that a 7 months working GSD should not jump over neighbours and bite auntie's butt off!!!!!! BTW, he is a champee-an Lap Cheong man leh and own a couple of show GSD but all retired...!

clangan


LCK
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Oct 26, 2004, 3:02 AM

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All the sifu sharing their value experience....those novice like us must learn as much as we can...Sly

Keep going...share more !!! Tongue



Ricky - knowledge is to be shared. No point taking it to the grave to feed worms. They don't need your knowledge. Laugh To me whether people want to think my advice is in vain or whatever i don't care lah. Whether they want to ask if i will be a judge or not doesn't matter. Tongue Obviously some of the issues raised in this thread have been helpful to many who dare to admit it and i'm sure also to those who pretend to be sifu! I'm far from being a sifu lah - still plenty to learn. Blush That's what's fun about this dog game - it's a continual learning process. Knowing a bit more than others doesn't make me a sifu!!! Wink

FYI - being a judge isn't the ultimate aim of every successful breeder - some very successful breeders are not judges and have no intention to be either, as they enjoy just being breeders only. Laugh Judging is not everyone's cup of tea and doesn't have to be the culmination of a successful breeding career. Wink Likewise some manage to also do both!

LCK Cool
Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction


LCK
Dog Kichi


Oct 26, 2004, 3:13 AM

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LolůSounds like you were referring to a person(s)?? Hmm...Wonder who eh?? Well, there are things in life cannot be taught but caught. Cheers.



One of my all time favourite doggy expressions Skipper - Some things are caught not taught! Laugh


LCK Cool
Hacienda
Dachshunds of Distinction


clangan
K9 Maniac


Oct 26, 2004, 3:50 AM

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Uncle LCK,

Ricky - knowledge is to be shared. No point taking it to the grave to feed worms. They don't need your knowledge. Laugh To me whether people want to think my advice is in vain or whatever i don't care lah. Whether they want to ask if i will be a judge or not doesn't matter

That's not what I meant what, you LCK, Skipper and Surchinmy do put out very good advice and knowledge, I never deny that.! I think I meant differently and got the msg across wrong again only! Personally, I think your knowledge and track records surpassed many of us...Royar here, royar there winning big-big, why so like that one wor...?!?Unsure Tomorrow give FFB lor ok..?!

Obviously some of the issues raised in this thread have been helpful to many who dare to admit it and i'm sure also to those who pretend to be sifu! I'm far from being a sifu lah - still plenty to learn. Blush That's what's fun about this dog game - it's a continual learning process. Knowing a bit more than others doesn't make me a sifu!!! Wink

Bro, it has been indeed helpful, I learn so much about CKCS, gonna breed one soon, Coefficient Of Inbreeding surpassed 30% wan.... All because of your good advice on mudder and fudder big big mar! Sorry if I pretend to be sifu cause I am not, no chance with grand-sifu here pamping me everyday..... Ok lor, knowing more from you is of course useful and helpful, your ingrish so good one and your knowledge in dogs lagi wa leau!!

FYI - being a judge isn't the ultimate aim of every successful breeder - some very successful breeders are not judges and have no intention to be either, as they enjoy just being breeders only. Laugh Judging is not everyone's cup of tea and doesn't have to be the culmination of a successful breeding career. Wink Likewise some manage to also do both!


Agreed, but the day will come when we will have the honour to be judge by LCK "Standard Chartered Bank motto", Skipper and Searchin ma..! No hard feelings ok???

Clangan


surchinmy
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Oct 26, 2004, 3:51 AM

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LolůSounds like you were referring to a person(s)?? Hmm...Wonder who eh?? Well, there are things in life cannot be taught but caught. Cheers.


Yeah ... but then when trying to catch ... even then can also miss ... !!! ... Tongue ...

Cheers


clangan
K9 Maniac


Oct 26, 2004, 3:54 AM

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LCK, Skipper, Surchinmy, Riccaval,

One of my all time favourite doggy expressions Skipper - Some things are caught not taught! Laugh

I agreed!!! But no hard feelings, I am only trying to put out a point which I believe strongly and you are at yours. I always believe in hands-on experience! You see, the caption has been put to its proper sentence to suit the environment here(below)...!!! Relax brothers???!!!Pirate By the way, can you guys switch to discuss Golden Retrievers? We are at a kosher gundog forum! I am very keen to hear about your view about the American, British, Australian and Malaysian!!! And if I tembak again, just think it is naturally me and you can start another round of de-barking funds...then I can get FFB again lor...!!!!!

Repeat: "Excellent Conformation champions & excellent conformation champion dogs and bitches may or may not produce conformation champion dogs and bitches but non conformation dogs and bitches never produces conformation champion dogs and bitches or maybe once in a while they do produce some sort of champions if the breed is new or rare ......" p/s: This caption I hope is good enough for LCK, Skipper and Surchinmy!!!

ClanganWink



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boon
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Oct 26, 2004, 4:10 AM

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Hi LCK,

OK drivey i'm referring to the said dog has a lot of drives, like over prey or over defence, overly aggressive towards animal or human or those pack and ranking issues like always like to challenge the handler. Under certain situation like the dog has been corrected in an unfair situation, he/she will fight back like bite and etc.....

Civil edge == civil aggression, willingness to take the fight and challenge.........most of the drivey does does have certain level of civil aggression.

What i mean for putting a working and a show is just an example...i'm never into show gsd and will not plan to in the foreseeable future....i just wanted your view on if the drivey male put to the calm and moderate female (could be a show or working line female) what will the pups turn out to be. Lets assume that the said dog/bitch has certain dogs in common in their pedigrees.

May be a 3,3, 3,4, 4-4 on some dogs/bitches.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

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clangan
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Oct 26, 2004, 4:23 AM

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Boon don't mind if I "kay poh" a bit, I think PSD is able to shed some light here???

OK drivey i'm referring to the said dog has a lot of drives, like over prey or over defence, overly aggressive towards animal or human or those pack and ranking issues like always like to challenge the handler. Under certain situation like the dog has been corrected in an unfair situation, he/she will fight back like bite and etc.....

Bro, it sounds to me this dog is way too aggressive for my comfort, if this dog is put to work at a new environment and still possess such dominance and aggresive nature, I think he will fail all the test! Imagine if the handler is attack by his own dog or working with a group of other handlers and dogs!?! I think drive is an understatement, it sounds like this type of dogs need to be given Pro-zac!!

What i mean for putting a working and a show is just an example...i'm never into show gsd and will not plan to in the forseable future....i just wanted your view on if the drivey male put to the calm and moderate female (could be a show or working line female) what will the pups turn out to be. Lets assume than they said dog/bitch has certain dogs in common in their level 3 in pedigree.

My understanding is that aggressive nature will not equal out if you use an aggressive male mated to a mild mannered bitch, I think the end results will be some pups turning out like its sire and some like its dam, never in between! Temperament is a trait that cannot be altered but good character can be fortified...look what theguys here have done to me!?!Laugh

Clangan



boon
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Oct 26, 2004, 4:30 AM

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Hi Gan,

Read my quote and signature again and think of it.....i like crazy dogs....and i do think PSD too...may be he is more crazy than i do......

with the said dog i can only say one word if i happen to meet one and own one 'LOVELY'

Pro-Zac ? hahahhah do u want some....i can spare some for u........LaughTongue

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


boon
Doggyman


Oct 26, 2004, 4:36 AM

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Hi Gan,

Thanz for ur offer, i know who on earth am i discussing with...thanz a lot.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


Riccaval
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Oct 26, 2004, 7:42 AM

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FYI - being a judge isn't the ultimate aim of every successful breeder - some very successful breeders are not judges and have no intention to be either, as they enjoy just being breeders only. Laugh Judging is not everyone's cup of tea and doesn't have to be the culmination of a successful breeding career. Wink Likewise some manage to also do both!
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How true Gopi. Being a judge or not is no big deal, its just a natural progression for those who enjoys the sport. Its also very common for those who dont think much of a certain judge to just stay away.

Oops but this is another issue...........talking about novice judge, Ha!!!!!!LaughLaugh


Riccaval
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Oct 26, 2004, 8:00 AM

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Anyway, the strong words are not meant to personal attack

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If ur post is not a personal attack I dont know what isTongue

but then why am I not surpriseCrazy Ahhh nevermind.


surchinmy
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Oct 26, 2004, 8:37 AM

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LCK posted ... " ... This is a question i ask myself when assessing pups. I know the father had a good front, nice defined prosternum, good hindquarters. The Dam was weak in hindquarters so that is why i mated her to this dog who excels in hindquarters. (Please bear in mind that factors like type, lineage etc have already been taken account of) So do the pups have better hindquarters than their mum and as good as their dads? ..."

Boon asked ... " ... Do u mind eleborate more........this is interesting.......how would this apply to a working GSD ? like may be a nerve of steel, driveys male but a bit aggressive (civil edge) mated to the average/moderate working female with calm temperement or a show bitch (hope not yucks) ... will actually ... dilute the nerve? drives? of the male? ... produce an animals with moderate nerve/drives with calm temperement? ... or best of both world with the high drivey and nerve of steel dog with super calm temperement? ..."

LCK posted ... " ... Surch what are your thoughts? ..."

As I understand it ... Boon's query is based on LCK's example of matching strength & weakness when breeding for conformation ... and Boon is wondering what will happen when working dogs of contrasting temperaments are matched ...?

I think we can safely say that genetics certainly plays a part in a dog's temperament ...

Now ... and having gone through all of the above --- MY ANSWER IS ... I have no blo*dy idea ... TongueCoolLaugh

My guess is that when you match dogs with similar temperaments, your chances of getting similar temperament are higher ... but when you match dogs with contrasting temperaments - the progeny may exhibit the whole range of possible temperaments ...


I am not so sure you can equate breeding for temperament along the same lines as breeding for conformation ... So much of conformation is physical & almost all genetically driven ... With temperament however so much depends on how a pup is brought up, the environment, the owner ... the training methods ... etc ... all of which goes into making the personality of the adult dog, and complicates any assessment or comparison of temperament at birth, and the eventual temperament we see in the adult.

Boon, if you are really interested ... I can check with some working dog breeders and let you know what they say.

Cheers



(This post was edited by surchinmy on Oct 26, 2004, 9:33 AM)


surchinmy
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Oct 26, 2004, 9:18 AM

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" ... No point saying "aiyah, i wanted some pups from BelleBelle lah so nevermind we just keep one lah and maybe next time we improve the problem" This attitude is that of a pet breeder. If you keep one each time you end up with a kampung of pets. (Please understand that i've simplified the complexity of this subject to illustrate a point! No smart arse remarks from Skipper and Surch!) Mad ..."


... Smart a^se remarks? ... From whom? ... Moi??? ... AngelicWinkTongue

You think what ... making smart a^se remarks easy ar ... Naaaaah, cyberbreeder save smart a^se remarks for only special occassions ... not gonna waste them on you keh ... Wink

Cheers


boon
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Oct 26, 2004, 4:18 PM

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Hi Surch,

I like your blo*dy answer.....AngelicBlushCoolWink


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With temperament however so much depends on how a pup is brought up, the environment, the owner ... the training methods ... etc ... all of which goes into making the personality of the adult dog, and complicates any assessment or comparison of temperament at birth, and the eventual temperament we see in the adult.



Somehow training and the early imprinting and socialization will definately affects the pup and how he/she will turn out to be.........but my understanding is that the NERVE can't be train....if it is there its there or if not there no matter what u do, how u train......the said dog will not make it to the above average.

Yes pls help to ask the working dog breeders for breeding trait, temperement and structure come second...........Tongue

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


LCK
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Oct 26, 2004, 10:33 PM

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Hi Boon

I tend to agree with Surch here. I guess as i'm breeding show dogs, i'm putting structure and conformation as my priority. Similarly a person working his dog will be interested in the working ability of the sire & dam. For example a good tracking dog will obviously produce progeny that will have a better tracking ability. Obviously not ALL will carry his traits but surely one or two will take after dad and generally most will have a higher propensity to track.

For example i have a litter of 6 month old pups now. Their mum is a number 1 escape artist and can get out of anywhere. All these pups when put in a puppy pen aged 3 months old, learnt how to use thier muzzle to lift up the pen and slide out. Mad Now, this same puppy pen has been used to contain pups aged even 5 months previously and they never learned to do this. Wink So i guess certain behavioural traits have been passed down to these pups from their dam. So if a dachie is a good earth dog with higher prey drive than the average dachie then there is a higher chance that his progeny will carry those traits.

LCK Cool
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LCK
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Oct 26, 2004, 10:53 PM

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What i mean for putting a working and a show is just an example...i'm never into show gsd and will not plan to in the foreseeable future....i just wanted your view on if the drivey male put to the calm and moderate female (could be a show or working line female) what will the pups turn out to be. Lets assume that the said dog/bitch has certain dogs in common in their pedigrees.

May be a 3,3, 3,4, 4-4 on some dogs/bitches.



Boon, from experience you will get a mixture. Some will have the character traits of their sire, some of their dam and some will be like neither!! One hopes that those falling into the neither category will carry the best of both traits....well if you're lucky you can get that, but you may just get something unlike both. You may also get a throw back to a grandparent or similar! But as i mentioned earlier, putting an animal which excels in one particular area (be it structural or behavioural) will to a certain degree positively amplify that particular trait in their progeny. By and large this stands true, but its not a hard and fast rule. What if all get throw backs to their grandparents or greatgrandparents? Then what? But you merely increase the likelihood of getting it.

From my limited knowledge seldom do people cross working dogs and show dogs as working people tend to think that most show dogs have too many structural exagerations which will impede their ability to work!! Over angulated hind and such will mean a dog will have to expend so much more energy than one with a straighter hind angulation. Show dogs have been moulded and exagerated for 'beauty' whilst working dogs are bred for 'function'.

Two geniuses don't make an Einstein! Tongue

But it can be a little different with working dogs originating from Europe where many who are accomplished show dogs, also have to excel at working ability and show that they are truly all round dogs capable of doing what they were bred for. So i guess if your show dogs orginate from Europe they do carry that propensity to work too as it has been maintained throughout time. My dachs ancestors on the otherhand have never been required to go badger hunting for quite sometime so that is why some will be naturally good earth dogs and others will stand at the burrow entrance and look at their owners with a face like "you go first lah" Tongue I do know that even with the requirement for European show dogs to carry working titles, there exists many purists who breed only pure working line dogs.

So the final question back to you wouuld be - WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE BY DOING THIS MATING???? Dogs who excel in working ability or show dogs??Sly

LCK Cool
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Dachshunds of Distinction

(This post was edited by LCK on Oct 26, 2004, 10:55 PM)


boon
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Oct 26, 2004, 10:55 PM

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Hi LCK,

Thanz for sharing.....if i understand it right


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For example a good tracking dog will obviously produce progeny that will have a better tracking ability. Obviously not ALL will carry his traits but surely one or two will take after dad and generally most will have a higher propensity to track.



if i 'decipher' it correctly Blush do u mean the pups produced will have more intense of the traits that either the sire/dam carry ?




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For example i have a litter of 6 month old pups now. Their mum is a number 1 escape artist and can get out of anywhere. All these pups when put in a puppy pen aged 3 months old, learnt how to use thier muzzle to lift up the pen and slide out. Mad Now, this same puppy pen has been used to contain pups aged even 5 months previously and they never learned to do this. Wink So i guess certain behavioural traits have been passed down to these pups from their dam.



Yes i agree with u, the dam playing the most crucial and important roles of being raising up the pup since born, how the dam react to certain things will surely affects the pup's behaviour. from 6 to 8 weeks of age, pups learn how to be a dog and socialization takes place, the seperation of each individual must be taken place to prevent the pups from being to 'doggy' or too 'human' if the timing of separating them is not taken with care.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


sitinurhaliza
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Oct 26, 2004, 11:07 PM

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Malaysia boleh..hee....!!! Hi all, is this froum only in english, can we ask questions in Bahasa Malaysia??

CT


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RealityDreamer
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Oct 26, 2004, 11:36 PM

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Hello sifu's Smile

Thanks very very very much for taking the time to answer my questions. Greatly appreciate it.

LCK,abt the list..what exactly are the PETA and animal libbers plan on doing that is so extreme till the breeds get extinct/in trouble? think i'll do more research on this tonight.

"This is evident even today ... we will select pups (bred from guard/protection breeds) with most heightened or sharp personalities & instincts (we call them drives) and put such selected dogs through concentrated & intensive training to develop, modify & redirect those instincts - but this time for the purpose of guarding/protecting us and to do so at our command."

That's why I LOVE training.Cool
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boon
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Oct 26, 2004, 11:40 PM

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Hi uncle,


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From my limited knowledge seldom do people cross working dogs and show dogs as working people tend to think that most show dogs have too many structural exagerations which will impede their ability to work!! Over angulated hind and such will mean a dog will have to expend so much more energy than one with a straighter hind angulation. Show dogs have been moulded and exagerated for 'beauty' whilst working dogs are bred for 'function'.



aiyah as i said earlier....this is just an example i don't plan and do not intend to cross a show and a working animal. It just an example. I have to agree with u, how on earth the banana croup dog can run 20 km for the korung test....may be will ended up with the broken legs and elbows and the only cure for this is to put additional 2 wheels at the back like a 'trishaw'. ShockedCool


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So the final question back to you wouuld be - WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE BY DOING THIS MATING???? Dogs who excel in working ability or show dogs??Sly



Oh ini kah.... i just being curious (serious, no joke here) what will happen if the 2 said dogs mated.....wanted u and other sifus to shade some light for the newbie like me. As of now, i'm definately do not have enough knowledge for breeding the working dogs, further more, time, space and commitments.....

if breed for the shake of learning and get my hands dirty to learn more, most probably will ended up with a buch of some how 'agresive' pups for an averege pet owners.....

IF I EVER BREED (see some contradicting view here Pirate may be few more years down the road lah) I will try to have the dogs that line breed on some legend of GSDs that works/functions mostly in defend instead of prey....so hopefully this virtual breeding will give me 1 or 2 drivey of dog(s) and will then breed out with the DDR to get an average of everything in a dog and with the 'massive' head and bones that a typical DDR carry. (don get me wrong here, not those type of massive head in lab that looks like a rott)

Overly aggressive or drivey dogs is surely a REAL challenge for the handler and is generally not a beginner dog. For sport (even some sifus had hardtime controlling them for precise OB test under Schh and the out after the attack). So an average dog with moderate defence and little bit above average of prey will just 'click' for the sport.

Too much prey or 100% on prey will not bring u up to national level.....a typical (may be most of it) german type of sport dogs (prey monster or locked in prey).

So again, moderate in everything (my taste for the sport dog not PP) will be just good, train and work in prey and if the helper push further, with some civil edge that willing take the fight in defence mode..........

But nothing worth mentioning and quoting here (just my thought).....until i title my dog and hopefully few years down the road with the knowledge i gained throughtout the years of getting my arm sore/sweat/dirty...with a little bit of luck i can have 1 dog that breed my be and title my be.

Hope this answer ur question for my ultimate goal.

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --

(This post was edited by boon on Oct 26, 2004, 11:55 PM)

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