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ronaldo7
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Aug 26, 2004, 11:28 PM

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currently have two dogs at home. shandy the lab is back in seremban while dingo the dalmation is with me in kl.

here's the situation. dad plans to get a gsd as a companion in sban to accompany shandy and him. u see he's a fan of gsd. been trying to get one for past few years but to no avail due to bad dealing with breeders previously. wondering if there's any trusted breeders around? how much would one cost anyway? pup prefered btw.

would appreciate it a lot if you guys help out.



thanks Wink




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Sep 13, 2004, 4:37 AM

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if u have the star newspaper, check the star metro 4 some tips in gsd. I guess they r cost like about RM1100. Well happy searching 4 1

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ronaldo7
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Sep 14, 2004, 5:47 AM

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hey



if only you posted here earlier, i would have save 400 bucks! lol.. anyway, thanks for replying. ;)




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Sep 16, 2004, 3:34 AM

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nvm. is all under control...Wink

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Sep 28, 2004, 7:17 PM

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dear sydney n ronaldo,

The price and quality are 2 very distinct thing. RM1100 I can guarantee its from millers.Laugh

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Sydney
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Sep 28, 2004, 11:08 PM

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But why they sell them so cheap in Malaysia?

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Sep 29, 2004, 12:30 AM

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But why they sell them so cheap in Malaysia?



The reason is simple. The dogs are produced by just putting a male and a female together to get inpregnated. There is no standard selection to see if the dog has the necessary structure, the necessary bone size and the necessary drives n nerves. Then there is no study in pedigree to see how the sure produces or the dam produces and how their pedigree can match up to give u a calculated success. Breeding is done every heat season meaning 2 times a year. Many puppies produced. Each sold at 1100 and quantity makes up better earnings than quality. None of the puppies needs early socialisation not drive promotions work. Pups are sold as early as 5-6 weeks. Those that are sold by 3 months or more are leftovers. So cost are kept low. Sometimes incest breeding is also done giving u all kinds of genetic problems from poor hips, small heads, light pigmentation and male looking feminin.

Good breeder cannot possibly sell at that price. The breeding dogs are carefully selected and their pedigree are carefully checked. These dogs are worked and excercised in protection work to see their maximum potential. Be sure that the dogs has the quality then careful selection of stud to complement the dam. Then the breeder do early socialisation and some drive promotion. Puppies are graded at 8 weeks and the best are sold after 3 months old. All these are costs but a good breeder must first have passion for the breed. In other words, a good hobbist with strong passion for the dog make better breeders than bigtime commercial dog factory.Sly

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Sep 29, 2004, 6:31 AM

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Another thing to think abt is the relativity between the 2. Say the breeder quoted RM 2k for a pup. If the pup is of good quality ,then the pup would be cheap. If the pup's quality isnt that good,RM 2k would be a rip-off.

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ronaldo7
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Sep 29, 2004, 9:40 AM

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ahhh.. the german shepherd expert speaks.. Tongue



since you're into this topic, how can u actually tell whether it's from miller or not? any difference to spot??



i brought one from a vet in sban.. all my dogs are under him. anyway, he was listed as mka seremban breeder as well. ee si chong. the pup cost me 1500.. haven't had a single clue about the pup's bloodline. is there anyway to check it? all i was told there's a litter of 8 or 9. all names starting with T.. there's a microchip number here though...


reading your entry above, mine was delivered to me at the age of 5 weeks.. the reason given was the owner sell it as wholesale or some shite.. does this means there are gonna be problems on the dog in future??




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Sep 29, 2004, 6:13 PM

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Another thing to think abt is the relativity between the 2. Say the breeder quoted RM 2k for a pup. If the pup is of good quality ,then the pup would be cheap. If the pup's quality isnt that good,RM 2k would be a rip-off.

Just my 2 cents Smile

hahahah....tht is why the buyer must know and deal with trusted source. Smile If a dog is good and have excellent backing n drives 3000-5000 is still considered cheap.Laugh

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Sep 29, 2004, 6:32 PM

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since you're into this topic, how can u actually tell whether it's from miller or not? any difference to spot??

Simple. Get the breeder to tell u the history of this dog and their 5 generation ancestor one by one and why he makes this breeding of this sire n dam. Tongue Then ask him if he worked the dog himself? Then ask him to show off a bit in working his dog.

Puppy miller will give u the dumb shock look when u asked the questions.....SlyLaughWinkCool

I think the most they will answer u is.....errr....dont worry lah. This one got cert one...got microchip one. Champion line......I could go on but they will always talk very generally and generally means sales talk. You will know it when u hear it Blush

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reading your entry above, mine was delivered to me at the age of 5 weeks.. the reason given was the owner sell it as wholesale or some shite..

This already tells u how committed the owner/breeder is in his breeding. Need I say more?Mad His motivation is just to breed and sell puppies and couldnt care less about the socialisation of the puppies nor who these puppies goes to. Gimme money and take the bloody puppy will ye....Unsure

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does this means there are gonna be problems on the dog in future??

I dont know for sure but the chances will be very high with this kind of breeding practise. Its all depends on your luck.

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ronaldo7
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Sep 29, 2004, 9:57 PM

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oohhhh.. such helpful reference u gave.. Smile thanks for the advice.. Wink will keep this in mind..




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Sydney
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Sep 30, 2004, 3:01 AM

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but why cant sell from younger age like 1 month?

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Sydney
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Sep 30, 2004, 3:02 AM

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what if the pups r 2 weak n the breeder wants 2 sell it? will he sell it cheap 4 the pups?

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Sep 30, 2004, 9:58 AM

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depends on him. If he wants to get rid of them(which I think is the case),then yea,he *should* be selling it cheap. But then again,if there's a chance to con the buyer and earn more profit,y not. Unimpressed
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Sep 30, 2004, 6:22 PM

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but why cant sell from younger age like 1 month?

Do u take a baby from the mother 1 month after giving birth? Observe the animals development and at every age group they learn different things from different source. From birth to 4 weeks they learn to sense for heat n to a certain extent scent of the mother and siblings. They feel their way around by sense even before eyesight. This is a phase where their crucial development will be guided by instinct and motherly care.

From 4 weeks to 8 weeks, they will roll and play around with their own siblings. Puppy bitings, pushing, kicking and fight for the breast milk teaches them how to utilise their fours and starting survival instinct and social rankings.

8weeks - 16 weeks the puppies venture more into social pack and does more learning from the environment, chasing grasshopper, shadow fighting with tall grass, chasing anything that moves including their siblings. These will develop their prey and play plus strengthen the social packing order.

The soonest any puppies can be taken from the mother is 8 weeks to allow natural development and protection/immunity from sickness comes from the breast milk. Any earlier than that the pups have very high degree of underdeveloped instincts, poor immunity to sickness, etc.

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Sep 30, 2004, 6:28 PM

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what if the pups r 2 weak n the breeder wants 2 sell it? will he sell it cheap 4 the pups?

A breeder whom wants to sell the pups sooner and thereby selling them cheaper are in the breeding for the fast profits clearly. A breeder whom cares for the puppies want to see how these pups developed and which pups are suitable for which type of owner.

Selling pup younger is also better for millers because they dont have to pay for more food to feed the pups. So to them cut the cost and take the cash first is clearly the aim. Unfortunately we see most in Malaysia doing this with only a very small handful dedicated ones.

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Sydney
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Oct 1, 2004, 10:52 PM

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r gsd rare in malaysia? If rare they would b selling them cheap rite?

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Sydney
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Oct 1, 2004, 10:53 PM

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But wat if the breeder wants 2 sell the puppies after birth? Will it get used 2 the owner which bought it?

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Oct 1, 2004, 11:42 PM

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Sydney,



It does not detracts from the issue of puppies should not be taken away from its mother before 8 weeks. Smile

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Sydney
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Oct 2, 2004, 12:00 AM

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why cant they btaken away from their mothers ?

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PSD
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Oct 2, 2004, 12:25 AM

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I replied u the reason earlier. Smile

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Sydney
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Oct 2, 2004, 12:28 AM

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wat if the puppies got dognapped when it is like 1 day old?

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Oct 2, 2004, 12:56 AM

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1st chances of survival is not so good

2nd physical n mental development will not be proper

3rd responsible breeder will never do so period.

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"Take this trouble for me:
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Sydney
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Oct 2, 2004, 1:10 AM

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oic. Where do u get all these information?


German shepard dog r in pastoral thread.

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Oct 2, 2004, 1:13 AM

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German shepard dog r in pastoral thread.

I know Smile

and

its spelt as German Shepherd Dog not shepard Tongue

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Sydney
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Oct 2, 2004, 2:01 AM

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oh rite. Why u want it 2 b on this forum?

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Oct 6, 2004, 3:58 AM

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actually... they're considered cheap ?
in most countries... dogs there are much cheaper... same goes to car... kinda big difference no ?

like in australia... you can get a pure breed for rm 300 plus...
i've seen champion breed selling for rm 500 too ...
but over here ussually its rm 1000 over...

seen some good blood line selling for rm 8000 too Crazy
i think thats too much ?

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Oct 6, 2004, 6:22 PM

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oh rite. Why u want it 2 b on this forum?

hehehe ask ronaldo I didnt start this post...TongueSmile

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Oct 6, 2004, 6:35 PM

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actually... they're considered cheap ?
in most countries... dogs there are much cheaper... same goes to car... kinda big difference no ?

like in australia... you can get a pure breed for rm 300 plus...
i've seen champion breed selling for rm 500 too ...
but over here ussually its rm 1000 over...

seen some good blood line selling for rm 8000 too Crazy
i think thats too much ?

I cant really say that is existing in Australia. Also the definition of champion is very misleading sometimes....champion in what? and what show? local, regional....etc. While shows are not really my forte I will rather leave that on itself. Nevertheless I think humans subscribe by the words "beauty in the eye of the beholder" and "transaction is made of willing buyer n willing seller" and "cheap but still super dog is an illusion"

It takes long time n dedication to breed a good dog. In working dogs it must has the nerve, courage, temprements and drives to work endlessly with the handler. If these dogs can be produced like a factory mould then there is no need for tests like SchH and our Police force dont have to search for them all over the world like they do now. All is a matter of u pay for what u get.

Also champion lines not necessary produce champion dogs as well. So cheap ones are possibilities of champ sire but poor puppies which a breeder is trying to get rid of fast.Smile Fruit for thought.

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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ronaldo7
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Oct 7, 2004, 1:03 AM

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i saw other posting about gsd in this group as well...????




feel free to add them up if you own dogster

tiska the labrador trap in gsd body!
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shan the sharpei look a like!
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Oct 7, 2004, 8:07 AM

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i *think*...i'm not too sure....but i *think* some kennel clubs categorise the GSD in the working group.
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Oct 7, 2004, 8:15 AM

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In US under AKC, it is classified under Herding Group

http://www.akc.org/...ecbreeds/herding.cfm

In UK under The Kennel Club, it is classified under the Pastoral Group

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/...al/pastoralIndex.htm

In Malaysia, it is also classified under the Pastoral Group as per Kennel Club classifications.


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Oct 7, 2004, 11:27 AM

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oh i agree with "champion lines not necessary produce champion dogs as well"

but sadly that is how many people price a pup they want to sell
they give reasons of its parents being champion in shows and all..

but i hear u Smile it certainly is not easy to breed a good dog

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but sadly that is how many people price a pup they want to sell
they give reasons of its parents being champion in shows and all..

True....very true....even petshop uses these terms rather losely. One thing you can do to check out how true the breeder is is to ask him to tell u the history of the last 5 generation dogs behind the puppy one by one. Then u will know how dedicated he is in his breeding.Laugh This is fool proof test.

Sadly, many people still got fooled easily with a single term "champion line"

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Oct 7, 2004, 6:55 PM

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but i hear u Smile it certainly is not easy to breed a good dog



so....if it isnt easy then should these dog be priced the same as puppy millers?Laugh Nice to ponder for the moment.Smile

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Oct 8, 2004, 10:08 AM

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Oct 8, 2004, 1:09 PM

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yea ....
many people these days doing the breeding business...
with just any bitch and dog...

i've seen in petshop mix breeds and yet selling for over a thousand..Crazy

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hehe... ask them to show all the certs huh Wink
my parents bought my poodle 11 years ago.. and thats what the person told them..
hehe i was only a kid then but ahh... i bought him coz he was a darling Tongue
but still funtrated to know the things people do to sell their dogs...
it wasnt from the petshop though so at least...
guess its easy to fool people who knows nothing about dogs Crazy

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Oct 8, 2004, 6:03 PM

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ermmmm, Not just show certs lah LaughSlyWink What I mean is that the breeder is able to tell you each and every ancestor of the puppy what they have gone through and what are their positive points and achievements. Then they can also tell you why they made this specific breeding guiding by their structure, temprements which they can easily show u with the parents. By 5 generations pedigree it means the parents (2) the G'parents(4) the GG'parents(8) then GGG'parents(16) the GGGG'parents(32) so in total its 62 individual dogs Smile

The point is, these people has to understand what they are doing in the first place and not just put 2 dogs together and say their prayers.Tongue

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eheeh i doubt majority of these sellers can do that at all...
i think they'd be a little shock if we asked too Wink

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PSD
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Oct 8, 2004, 11:33 PM

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Then u know lah how committed the breeder is SlyTongue

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Oct 9, 2004, 12:32 AM

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WinkSly hehe sure do

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RealityDreamer
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Oct 9, 2004, 6:51 AM

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I think in M'sia,u can't count the number of them with your fingers and toes Unimpressed
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Oct 11, 2004, 8:18 PM

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Wat to do.......saying what I just did will surely lenghten my list of "hate me to the death fans" TongueSly

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Sydney
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Oct 15, 2004, 9:59 PM

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what then wat is the purpose 2 start a pastoral dog here in the working forum?!Crazy

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RealityDreamer
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Oct 20, 2004, 1:35 AM

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that u hv to ask the original poster,ronaldo Smile
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RealityDreamer
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Oct 20, 2004, 1:36 AM

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LOL Laugh
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Oct 22, 2004, 9:53 PM

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Oh hehe.... U got how many dogs?

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Dec 18, 2004, 4:17 AM

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Glad to know that yr dad is a gsd fan. So am I ! If you dont mind the little travel there is a reputable breeder from Klang. Just went to his place this afternoon to collect the papers for my Rottweiler(we got the Rottie to accompany our gsd pup of the same age) and noticed that he has just got a 15 month old gsd from Germany and boy was he majestic looking! Anyway, didnt see any pups around. Perhaps you can contact the breeder at 012-2380059 (Mr Lim) to enquire if there are available gsd pups for sale. Mr Lim is more conversant in Mandarin/Hokkien than English.

Not too sure on the price of his gsd pups.
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Dec 19, 2004, 3:17 AM

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thanks for replying although it's kinda late. got my gsd now. if you notice she's growing up well and her pix can be seen in my avatar. cheers anyway!




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tiska the labrador trap in gsd body!
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shan the sharpei look a like!
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Mar 5, 2005, 6:33 AM

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since you're into this topic, how can u actually tell whether it's from miller or not? any difference to spot??

Simple. Get the breeder to tell u the history of this dog and their 5 generation ancestor one by one and why he makes this breeding of this sire n dam. Tongue Then ask him if he worked the dog himself? Then ask him to show off a bit in working his dog.

Puppy miller will give u the dumb shock look when u asked the questions.....SlyLaughWinkCool

I think the most they will answer u is.....errr....dont worry lah. This one got cert one...got microchip one. Champion line......I could go on but they will always talk very generally and generally means sales talk. You will know it when u hear it Blush

PSD,really admire and salute your patience and just to add my 2 cents,if you buying any pure breed dog,specially GSD,you have to DEMAND on seeing the hips tests and x-rays for both parents,and proofs they BOTH are free from HD,any breeder who fails to show these proofs,is a CONMAN,and has to be stopped
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Mar 7, 2005, 8:25 PM

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PSD,really admire and salute your patience and just to add my 2 cents,if you buying any pure breed dog,specially GSD,you have to DEMAND on seeing the hips tests and x-rays for both parents,and proofs they BOTH are free from HD,any breeder who fails to show these proofs,is a CONMAN,and has to be stopped

Hahaha Raphael, Thanks for the kudos. I'm not usually that patience in real life. Actually your suggestion is good but it depends on how many people can read such xrays. If one can read XRAYS then is is not a NEWBIE anymore . Also such test cannot prove their temprements. I have a simpler way....see the parents in action is the best deal

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Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Raphael
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Mar 14, 2005, 7:25 AM

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hip test is one of the most important tests that should be taken,then temprement,if a dog temprement is super(both)and hips are not,these pure bred dogs should never ,NEVER,be bred,and hips test should come with a cert. to state the findings when they are positive

temprement can be controled by culling and spaying poor temp. pups,but hips?no chance to confirm before 12 months of age
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Mar 14, 2005, 5:53 PM

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hip test is one of the most important tests that should be taken,then temprement,if a dog temprement is super(both)and hips are not,these pure bred dogs should never ,NEVER,be bred,and hips test should come with a cert. to state the findings when they are positive

temprement can be controled by culling and spaying poor temp. pups,but hips?no chance to confirm before 12 months of age

Raphael,

Yes I agree hips are very important. Still it is just half of the story as far as GSD breed standard is in concern. Perhaps I was looking at it more from a working perspective since I'm a working dog fan. However, even in show Standard, temprement was also listed in it and should apply for all. A real total dog should have temprement for it and the physiques to be able to carry on the job its bred for. If we are buying a pups.....I would go first for its temprement and drives. Checking out the temprements and working drives of the parents will also show how physically well they are. Believe me CHD dogs will show it during test. CHD is not only a genetic issue and many cases are related to owners issues. Diet is a primary concern. Just my thoughts. Cheers

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

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Mar 14, 2005, 7:29 PM

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Here's some thoughts for this thread......If you want to be really sure about your purchase and already have plans to spend good money for it, why not get expert advice from a good vet? You can pay for a vet to come and do a vet check before you buy the puppy. You'll be spending a bit more with the chance that it may fail the vet-check, but isn't it worth it if you think about the potential long term, future health problems that you will have to pay for or the heart-ache of seeing your pet have to suffer or worse have to be put down?

There are also some web-sites with information on "how to choose your puppy". Much of it is by instinct like if there is an immediate connection between the two of you, but there are certain signs you can look for with their behaviour and tests that you can perform, on site, to ascertain what character this puppy has. For example, I went to see a puppy some time back and decided against it cos it was nervous and didn't like being held. Then I saw it's sire and he was very aggressive. So, I figured this puppy may be prone to fear-biting in the future - with this aggressive gene.

Another horror story : a GSD breeder recently traded one of his pups for a year old Great Dane. The owners of this Dane probably had grown tired of it (it was not trained at all and left outdoors all the time) and wanted a new puppy and he actually "traded" in one of his pups knowing full well the history this owner has with dogs!!! Then, tried to sell this Dane! A good breeder would want to know what kind of living conditions his pup/s would be going into, would insist on keeping in touch to check on the welfare of his pups as it grows up and would offer lots of information (health, temperament, a long list of the family tree, etc) about the pup without prompting. He would not even let you view the pup before it's had it's shots, let alone let you have it before 2/3 months old. Some will go as far as to make you sign a contract which will prohibit you from breeding with this pup - i.e. insisting that you have it neutered or spayed.

 
 




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