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melissa
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Jun 30, 2004, 6:26 PM

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Hi sasa

Before owning a poodle, I have the same thinking as you too, poodle is just too "unnatural & artificial" AngelicPirate, I told myself I will never ever raise a poodle in my life Wink.

But after studying this breed carefully, I discover that it is indeed a perfect indoor pet to keep especially when you want to keep an indoor dog but you have kids around you Wink.

I guess the reason why we feel poodles are so artificial is because of their hairstyle CrazyAngelic. I also dislike the 'pom pom' style but we have a choice to keep whatever hairstyle that we want Wink to make this breed as good looking as we can Cool.

ECS is a great companion dog (happy go lucky) and intelligent too. The only problem bother me so much is this breed does shed Unsure I got to work extra hard to vacuum my floor everyday as I keep my gigi indoor.

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daniel
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Jul 1, 2004, 1:18 AM

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i think the pet shop never bathe the dog so after you take home and you clean the dog, the dog become brown lor..

I have 2 acs. one is black and the other is black tan. both of them sleep at my bed room door. if at night i wanna go toilet and shee shee and i no turn on light i will step on them cos they very very black.

i have not come across any "lat sik" cocker before so cannot answer you.maybe you have picture of your dog you can post here then we can have a look.

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sasa
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Jul 1, 2004, 6:46 AM

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Laugh wow.......... melissa i am really envy you lar Tongue u own a yellow roan (one of my preference color composition) ECS. How i wish i can have a same one wth u. When come to ESC, I will prefer blue roan or yellow roan instead of solid gold or black one but so Unimpressed Unsure Frown the breeder fr Klang only able provide me solid gold color... Nevermind i still got plenty of time to search the right color one. so do pray for me Tongue

cheers, sasa

p/s: yup u are right. i feel guilty wth those "stupid" hairstyle that make Poodle look Crazy Crazy
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dogslover
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Jul 1, 2004, 7:14 AM

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thx 4 ur reply.Sory bout tht cz nw i din hv my acs photo yet myb i'll b post 2 u whn i got it...nice 2 meet u ,my name is Ming i ws frm Penang.....cn u shw me urs?


melissa
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Jul 1, 2004, 7:54 PM

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Hi sasa

Ya, ppl told that it is very hard to find yellow roan ECS but I have a few friends including Fion's baby also in this colour Wink.

No hurry, choose carefully and select the best pup out of the best Tongue!



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edser
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Jul 2, 2004, 10:48 AM

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hello, hi mingyan too!!

Well like you see we own a black ACS name Zeno! He is a lovely baby and he is growing into an adult quite fast and yet we found it slightly slow! do you own an ACS too???Blush



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sasa
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Jul 4, 2004, 8:40 PM

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Hi Melissa & Fiona

Arigato gozaimatsu...for those good advice. i intend to bring in a ECS pup only after my mom retired on this Sep/Oct. if let say i dun hv other choise and hv to go to Klang to collect pup, would u mind to go wth me? Blush cos i need some expect who can really help me to pick up a healthy pup. I afraid of kena tipu. My sister will go with me anyway.

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melissa
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Jul 5, 2004, 7:04 PM

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Hi sasa
hehehe, can be arranged and I'm sure Fion is love to help you as well as she is such a helpful lady TongueWink!

BTW, pls look for more choices, do avoid buying from a commercial breeder. If I'm not mistaken, Minyang would be able to help as she knows some breeders in town. Ming Yang, pls correct me if I'm wrong, ok Wink?



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sasa
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Jul 10, 2004, 9:08 AM

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Hi, Melissa

I visited a petshop (look clean & wth air-con) of Sunway Mentari Business Park yesterday evening and found out there are two ECS puppies put on for sale. Oh, My goodness i was really get Crazy n Laugh ... While i stepped in the shop and immediately my eyes was catched by these two jump up n down small baby. They are very cute indeed. one is Yellow+White, another one is Blue Roan. All 8-week old and without cert. RM799 / neg each. They all look healthy and act active especially the Blue Roan one who make so much noise. Since it was quite hard to get ECS in this color range in M'sia, i almost out of control n wanna place a deposit to make an order... but one thing stop me. u know what? hehe, i saw another guy who is a worker also come forwad me and his hand ... hehe...hold a cigarette... ???? see, how could it be ar? smoking in a air-con room ar????? Those evil-smelling will kill those puppies and rabbits lar... what a pity Frown

without saying anything i left the shop quickly...
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melissa
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Jul 10, 2004, 6:25 PM

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Hi Sas

luckily you din buy from him Mad, dun know whether those pups are from puppy millers or not Crazy!



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daniel
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Jul 13, 2004, 7:30 AM

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my dogs picture is in this thread. you can go there and see.



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edser
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Jul 13, 2004, 8:47 AM

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Hi, glad to meet another lack ACS owner!! Just wonder if our furkids came from a similar family thread???Wink



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minglmy
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Jul 13, 2004, 6:50 PM

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Hi Sasa & Melissa,

I do know of an ECS breeder. Infact I got my Lightning from him Smile. Lightning's daughter is currently in the showring doing pretty well. For ECS blue roan in colour is really very rare in Malaysia indeed. Lightning's parents was imported by this friend of mine himself and he is very careful in breeding them so if you are seriously in looking for a blue roan ECS let me know ya. I can intro my friend to you.

You can check out Lightning's picture in the below link :

http://photogallery.pets2u.com.my/...p;cat=500&page=1

http://photogallery.pets2u.com.my/...p;cat=509&page=1

http://photogallery.pets2u.com.my/...p;cat=509&page=1

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Jul 13, 2004, 6:51 PM

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helo.....

how r u doing girl ? hope that ur kids are fine now... Smile

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Jul 13, 2004, 6:53 PM

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SmileHi Melissa,

How have u been doing ? hope that everything is well with u ... long time didn't chat with u already. how's ur kids doing ? btw, when r u due ar ? boy or girl ? hehehehe lots of Q ! sorry for the late reply i was outstation for abt 2 1/2 weeks and didnt really have time to check thru the site only follow the few thread and replying posts Smile

cheers,
minglmy


minglmy
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Jul 13, 2004, 7:04 PM

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Hi All,

Found a write-ups on English Cocker about their Coat Colour and patterns to distinguish the differences between roans, solid, ticking patter, open marked pattern and tan.

This is a very useful as most of us in malaysia only see few of the colours available in the market compare to the wide range they have over there.

Have fun reading and distinguish our own cocker belongs to which group ya ! Wink




INTRODUCTION :

"Color. Various. Parti-colors are either clearly marked, ticked or roaned, the white appearing in combination with black, liver or shades of red. In parti-colors it is preferable that solid markngs be broken on the body and more or less evenly distributed; absence of body markings in acceptable. Solid colors are black, liver or shades of red. White feet on a solid are undesirable; a little white on throat is acceptable; but in neither case do these white markings make the dog a parti-color. Tan markings, clearly defined and of rich shade, may appear in conjunction with blacks, livers and parti-color combinations of those colors. Black and tans and liver and tans are considered solid colors." - Official Breed Standard for The English Cocker Spaniel, approved by the American Kennel Club, October 11, 1988
"Color. Various." The photograph above aptly shows that there are a variety of colors available in the English Cocker Spaniel.
English Cocker Spaniels are colorful but the outcome of those colors comes from a wide range of genes. These genes combine to determine two things - the coat color (black, red and liver) and the coat patterns (solid and parti-color.) Particolor is further broken down to "roan", "ticked", and "open marked" in order of dominance.
All of these factors are due to a recognized color series (loci, that is, locations on the chromosomes) in dogs. The generally recognized color series' are A(agouti), B (brown), C (Chinchilla series), D (blue dilution) E (extension which is responsible for red color in English Cockers), G (graying), M (merle), R (roaning), S (white spotting) and T (ticking.) In most cases multiple loci will work together so several different genes can be used in combination to produce a color. A gene may even mask the presence of another gene.
In genetics there is Phenotype, or how the dog looks physically, and Genotype, the genetic makeup of the dog, which may or may not be totally expressed in the phenotype. In addition, there are genes which are more dominant than others and are thus called Dominant (which are represented in charts with a Capital letter) and others which are not as strong in expression which are called Recessive (which are represented in charts with a Lowercase letter). Each dog receives one set of genes from each parent. It is the combination of these many genes which are responsible for not only coat color but ear length, darkness and shape of eyes and the dog's entire conformation and quite often health as well.
Take a look below at the variety of colors available in English Cocker Spaniels. Short descriptions of how the genes work give an idea of how these colors and coat patterns have been recorded in the genotype. Many of our understandings about color genetics come from a book by Clarence C. Little titled The Inheritance of Coat Color in Dogs. Today, researchers are still trying to answer many questions about dominance relationships, new alleles, gene series, modifying factors, etc. Additionally, coat color can also be affected by conditions in the womb. There is not yet a definitive understanding of coat color.



Colors

Loci in Coat Color



Black and Liver. For English Cockers this loci is B, the brown series. The series allows the production of black pigment. The genes for black (B) and liver (b) are the same gene with black being dominant. A bb dog produces brown pigment wherever the dog would have produced black, affecting not only coat color but also the color of the skin, eye rims and nose.


Red. The gene for red is not the same as the gene for black and liver. The loci is E, the extension series. This series includes Ed (dominant black), E (normal extension) and e (recessive red.) Thus, a red is produced by having two (ee) recessive red genes. The skin and eye color generally show through normally but some ee dogs will show reduced pigment on the nose. They also seems to be more heavily affected by any gene modifier that reduces pigment. Solid reds have something like a 30% higher chance of retaining white on their face than black or liver puppies do, and red/orange parti-colors tend to have more overall extension of white than black or liver do.
If a dog carries E, the dominant gene for "no red", it will be black coated (unless it also carries the two recessive genes for liver, in which case it will be liver coated.)

Red/Orange in Parti Colors. The same loci (ee) recessive red will produce a red in the parti colors that appears lighter. It is then registered as orange. Although, the loci is the same (B, ee) they will be registered as orange in parti colors. Occasionally the red will be darker like an Irish Setter or Welsh Springer Spaniel. In these cases, the parti-color will be either red roan or red and white.


Lemon and Golden. Lemon, a light orange, can appear almost yellow or buff. Lemon is a red/orange dog (ee) that also has the loci for liver (bb.) So a lemon must have have two recessives, the one that gives the red color (ee) and the one that gives the liver color (bb.) The two recessives lighten the coat color to lemon. There are other genetic factors such as the "chincilla" gene and genetic modifiers that act together with the liver gene to cause the yellow markings. A genetically solid lemon will be registered in English Cocker Spaniels as either a red (who has a liver nose) or golden. A lemon with any other coat pattern will be registered with "lemon" in the name such as lemon roan.

An important fact to remember is that these color factors are at work in solids, roans and parti-colors English Cocker Spaniels the same way. Coat patterns are determined separately.

Solid Pattern



The solid coat pattern is determined by the loci S, solid color. This is the normal gene in breeds without white markings. An SS dog can completely lack white, but it can also express very minor white markings such as a white streak on the chest. Since S, solid color is dominant, a solid can carry for parti-color, but a parti-color cannot carry for solid. A solid carrying two genes for solid can only produce solid and bred to a parti-color will only result in solid color puppies, but all those puppies will be carriers for parti-color. If a solid that carries a gene for parti-color is bred to a parti-color, some puppies will be solids and some will be partis, but all the solids will carry for parti-color. Black

Liver

Red

Golden


Roan Pattern

Roan Pattern. The loci is R, roan. The nature of the coat pattern and the progressive development of dark hair in a light area is unclear and still in debate. Roan is defined as "having the base color (as red, black, or brown) muted and lightened by a mixture of white hairs."
Roan (R) appears to be dominant to (rr) non-roan, i.e. open marks. Roan can carry for open marks, but open marks cannot carry for roan.

Blue Roan

Liver Roan

Orange Roan

Red Roan

Lemon Roan


Ticking Pattern

Ticking Pattern. Open marked colors may also have "ticking" in the coat. Ticking are flecks of color in areas where the coat would have been white. When ticking occurs between patches, they are registered as color, white and ticked. The loci is T, ticking. T (ticking) is dominant over (t) lack of ticking. The amount and location of ticking are greatly affected by genes for size, shape and density of the ticking.
There is disagreement on whether ticking is the same as roaning or not. Both can occur on the same dog, although roaning plus open marks doesn't.
Black, White and Ticked





Open Marked Pattern

Open Marked Pattern. An open marked dog will lack ticking or roaning in the coat. An open marked dog will have clear white between patches. When ticking occurs between patches, they are not truly open marked but registered color, white, and ticked. Lack of ticking (tt) is recessive to roan and ticking. So, a roan can carry for open marks, but open marks cannot carry for roan.
Black and White

Liver and White

Orange and White

Red and White


Tan Markings

One more look at coat color - Tan Markings. Any coat color or pattern can have tan markings which will appear on the muzzle, over the eyes, on the chest, on the legs and under the tail. The tan is loci (A) Agouti with the allele being (at). Parti-colors can also be (at) but the coat pattern will remain the same.
Tan is recessive. So, a dog which is itself tan must have recieved the (at) loci from both parents. A dog may produce a tan without showing tan marking if it has recieved one (at) from a parent and is mated to another dog with the (at) as well.
Can a red or orange have tan marking? Yes. A red or orange that is the product of two tan-marked parents carries two genes for tan. Therefore it is genetically a "red and tan" or "orange roan and tan" but phenotypically, it is not observed.
Black and Tan

Blue Roan and Tan

Black, White and Tan

Black, White, Ticked
and Tan

Liver and Tan


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minglmy

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sasa
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Jul 14, 2004, 4:17 PM

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My budget is around RM650. pure bred. do u think i really can get one fr ur friend with this price range? Blush that's why i only go for normal home breed one instead of Commercial Breeder or Petshop which cost higher, see? ...
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minglmy
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Jul 15, 2004, 8:11 AM

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umm... purebreed RM 650 ? then ur looking into those without cert right ? not sure abt my friend though... but getting outside purebreed at cheap price doesn't means that u can get a 100 % healthy pup u know anyway let me ask my breeder friend lar... he might or might not have a litter anytime soon anyway - me nto sure. As for the pricing... if he got, might want to find really GOOD homes for the doggies so maybe if he is interested might want to interview lor n such. let me ask 1st ya. he is not in KL at the moment... oversea so will get back to u soon.Smile

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melissa
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Jul 15, 2004, 10:37 PM

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Hi Mingyang

ya, haven't chat with u so long edi Frown and never got the chance to visit you to buy doggies stuff in Sri Hartamas too. You know what is the reason larCrazy, now I'm moving like a lazy snake FrownBlush. My due date is middle of Oct and she is a girl.

Since gigi doesn't has a cert, what's your opinion har? Is she Red and white or Orange and whiteCrazy? I trimmed her fur shorter especially the fur in the legs and belly, easy to take care Blush.



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melissa
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Jul 15, 2004, 10:44 PM

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Hi Sasa

Then have you ever think of adoption? That might cost you a few hundred or even F.O.C Wink.

Few months ago, my friend wanted to give away her ECS FOC (red roan colour) and I was helping her to find an owner. However in the end, my friend decided to keep her, otherwise I can introduce you to her Wink.



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sasa
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Jul 16, 2004, 4:13 AM

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Hi Melissa, Fiona & minglmy,

I have a girlfriend who keep 8 (cross bred from PAWS) + 1 (Golden Retriver which she bought fr outside) = 9 dogs at the same time. All doggie are being well taken, served by dog food n got medical check up also. I think she is showing a perfect example as DOG LOVER indeed. yup u r right, i might be end up with make an adoption at PAWS since this lady try her very hard to brain wash me. I know all doggie are cute and adorable but i will be more happy if i able to keep my dream dog... see how lar... now only July, still got plenty of time to go...

p/s: giving birth on Oct? first baby ya? CONGRATULATIONS SmileCool
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minglmy
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Jul 16, 2004, 6:28 AM

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Hi Mama to be :)

Mid of Oct huh so its getting to be pretty near now... girl is good... i like girl they are cuter Angelic and less of a trouble maker than boys Tongue

Gigi looks nice in the photo. I think she is more of a Red and White than Orange and white

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melissa
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Jul 16, 2004, 5:42 PM

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Hi Mingyang

I also think that she is red and white Wink because she is more brownish instead of orange colour Crazy.

Gigi is definitely taller than lightning, what is the standard and max high for an ECS or ACS?

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Jul 16, 2004, 5:48 PM

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Hi Sasa

Ya... understand how you feel. Dun be hurry, carefully select the breed that you want rather than feeling regret after adopting a oneCrazy.



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minglmy
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Jul 16, 2004, 5:53 PM

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standard height for ecs and acs is different.... hmm, not so sure abt that lemme check out the website then i'll let u know ya.

btw, dun worry too much yea... everything will be fine for you Smile

cheers,
minglmy

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