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PSD
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Oct 2, 2003, 9:49 PM

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Wait a sec, I didn't say the titles were useless, I said it doesn't really mean much if I was getting a pup. But if i got a guard adult dog, then lain cerita lah.


Mr Gun,

You have to remember what you write....if you scroll up a bit you will see your reply to Kowpa that "titles is titles and means nothing"Tongue

BTW, I think you are too far ahead of yourself. How can a puppy have titles? You are not making much sense here bro.....and now you seams to want titled guard dog. Hope you already decided what you want though...Smile


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Thank you for the tips PSD.


My pleasure


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btw, lets say that this dog is in a kennel with its view blocked from my gate, someone approach my gate, she starts barking and after barking she whines abit. What are the possibilities? Distress cuz she can't see what's going on? getting nervous cuz can't see?


I shall not say more of what I cannot see. Can't help you here.


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If you were at the Eukunuba dog show, there was one veteran GSD that was on show, I realised that it was whinning VERY loudly when it was at the exhibitors ground, what's your take on that?


Was not at the show but lemme guess......he wants to come out? maybe he is holding his pee too long....lolWink Anyway bro, this is out of topic and is not of any good. If you want to know more maybe you can start a new topic on why a dog whines. Perhaps you will get more people to join in there.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


mhazman
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Oct 2, 2003, 10:14 PM

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Guys,

I would agree with PSD focusing on what you need co'z you'll achieve your destination faster.
Guard dog is just one step above watch dog. Most dogs with some degree of sharpness will make good watch dogs. Then with age, maturity and courage ( if its there) defense will start building up. Hopefully the dog is not agitated beyond its avoidence threshold and have its confidence busted.
If you have money to spare then you can import the likes of Stormfront Brawnson, Bastin Kokeltal or Orry v h antverpa..

Azman


Polluxx
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Oct 8, 2003, 5:55 AM

Post #128 of 251 (6072 views)
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Hi guys,

Chk this out WUSV 2003 results :
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Individual Winners
1. Reijo Lattu + Xabarovsk Bacteroides (Finland)
99-91-96 = 286
2. Ina Rosswag* + Attaque v.d. Adelegg (Germany)
99-93-94 = 286
3. P.L.Gutierrez + Bac v. Gotweiher (Spain)
99-95-92 = 286

* - Ina and "Attaque" r the recent 2003 BSP Champ
& guess what ! , Ina also happen to be a lady handler - I guess this is wht U call "Girl Power"

Team Winners:
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1. Sweden 848
2. Germany 847
3. Czech Republic 841
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Boy ! am I surprised , to see a Swedish team on the podium let alone a winner.


PSD, U must be surprised by this (at least I were !) but chk this : 2003 WUSV Champ
Xabarovsk Bacteroides 's dam's line is out of
-79' VA5 Lasso di Val Sole & Varo von Arminius (80')

errr . . . ? ? ? I meant...a ScH competitor maybe yes...but a WUSV winner . . ? well....






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


PSD
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Oct 8, 2003, 7:01 AM

Post #129 of 251 (6071 views)
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Polluxx,

Yes I am indeed pleasantly surprised that Sweden made it. 3rd or 4th placing I would expect but 1st is a plesent surprise indeed. Wanted to post this here also but guess you beat me to it....lol.

I love to see germany edged out of the 1st placing by this rookie team since they are considerably new to this. Was surprised USA never had anyone there.

Look at the points though, they are all very close meaning the competition and standards were very high level.

Attaque Adelegg, was the recent BSP winner. I guess this is what I call consistency. I think in Lubeck in 2002 he places only 31 with 278. I'm not sure about the other 2 dogs. Not familiar to me.

Anyway, for a wusv winner they have to be some dog thereSmile Anyway, not all dogs are 100% in form for the competition. This is why I am perticularly impressed with attaque for doing it twice in a row from BSP to WUSV and great to see a women there too.......I hope more malaysian wemen will step forward into SchH interest from now with this news. Then hopefully ppl will no longer brand me as harsh Guardog Corporal....lolTongue Congratulations to Ina Rosswag

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Polluxx
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Oct 9, 2003, 6:37 AM

Post #130 of 251 (6057 views)
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Hi PSD,


Back to my earlier post on the Finn dog, it seems that up to late 70s, the VA dogs can still produce progeny wt enuf drv....Tongue. Wht's ur take ? ?

BTW it seems this is the 2nd Finn Champ in the recent yrs, there were another one back in 97' ! I thk there is much effort put in ScH in the Scandinavian countries ! ! Cool


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"Attaque Adelegg, was the recent BSP winner. I guess this is what I call consistency. I think in Lubeck in 2002 he places only 31 with 278"
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Yup. . . . 31st place but based on his score detail, protection routine of 92 pts & tracking an excellence 99 pts, I would say a very good score indeed ! Cool


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"hope more malaysian wemen will step forward into SchH interest from now with this news."
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Yes, Corporal....we definitely need to see more women interest in this sports !... Wink






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


PSD
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Oct 9, 2003, 6:59 AM

Post #131 of 251 (6056 views)
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Hee hee, Polluxx my man...Still trying to get me to comment on show standards VA eh?.....You know lah! This is a stress area for me..lol....anyway for your knowledge. 1 working dog in Czech got VA recently with no Showlines blood. I guess like showlines sometimes has a minute chance (1 in a million maybe) to throw off a misfit whom can actually work.....workinglines too have the ablity to throw off working dog with VA structure....lol....

Nevertheless VA 70 years ago and VA today is way different. Look at klodo v. boxberg, roland v starkenburg, hettel uckermark, Erich v Grafenwerth, Utz v. Haus Schutting, Pfeffer v. Bern...etc.....What do you get? If those dogs are put into today's show rings do you think they will get to become Seigers? opps maybe not even qualified to be in the ring altogether....well I bet the show people will use this as their victory statement that they had successfully improved the breed already since then....lol...BTW, those names are great working dogs then too...hehe

Seriously I don't know much about the other 2 dogs to be able to comment effectively.

Yo Captain Polluxx, when is your wife joining the SchH Training?....heheheh!

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


PSD
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Oct 9, 2003, 7:04 AM

Post #132 of 251 (6053 views)
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Polluxx,

Do you have MSN Messenger? If have hook me up at


PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Polluxx
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Oct 9, 2003, 7:30 AM

Post #133 of 251 (6051 views)
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Hi PSD,

Sorry la ! didn't know I'm stressing our dear "Coporal" wt my persistent show query ! Cool


So where is this Czech wt VA title ? I'm most curious, my fren ? hopefully he doesn't come wt the "U know wht" topline, man ! Tongue


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""Nevertheless VA 70 years ago and VA today is way different. Look at klodo v. boxberg, roland v starkenburg, hettel uckermark, Erich v Grafenwerth, Utz v. Haus Schutting, Pfeffer v. Bern...etc.....What do you get? If those dogs are put into today's show rings do you think they will get to become Seigers?""
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The current "highline" ppl might might not fancy them Mad !, But give it to the working breeders , I fancy that our GSD might have a chance to stay on as a best utility/service/military dog to the next century. Smile As H.Raiser himself mentioned, if we have known A.I. earlier how many of us would have clamoured to have the line of B-Lierberg and also the other greats of yesteryears...Unsure....! !


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"when is your wife joining the SchH Training?...."
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When the grip is firm ! ! LOL ...LaughLaugh






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Oct 9, 2003, 7:35 AM)


PSD
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Oct 9, 2003, 7:54 AM

Post #134 of 251 (6048 views)
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Not only VA... he is full black too. Won that in Slovak specialty show. Nope the topline is nice...ahem...don't usually get me saying that .....lol I amnot familiar with the line but someone told me it is a full working ped. All outcrossing product so I donno if he can re-produce the structure well. I was also told the drive is super....something like a super dog to me.

Pssstt! Those seigers in the 70ties dont have to bring them back, Can see them in my house. My bitch just looked exactly liked them....har har har.

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


Polluxx
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Oct 10, 2003, 5:24 AM

Post #135 of 251 (6036 views)
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Hi PSD,

Hei....! Shocked I didn't know that they give out VA title other than in a Sieger Show like in Germany, Italy or USA. Anyway do U know where I can peep at his pic (do e-mail me, Tongue) !

Seriously is it VA, kind of hard to believe ! Sly, I meant there r quite a nos. of V-rated working dogs but a VA.....well unless of course Raiser got his post back & happened to be the judge ! Wink ....I know - I know, just wishful thinking on my part......! Tongue

BTW was the judge from Kaiserland ? ? jeez...maybe is the same Freddie guy who is coming to town this weekend.... LOL.LaughLaugh ..! ! ....if true can even bring ur 70's Sieger look alike to the show la,...maybe got chance la ! ! TongueBlush

p/s....maybe can even get Azman to tag along....just imagine in a sea of tan/black(saddle) ... u see this two sable looking dogs he-he ! LaughLaughCool . . . I can just imagine the look of the organiser face...! SlyLaugh ! !






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


boon
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Oct 10, 2003, 5:11 PM

Post #136 of 251 (6032 views)
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Hi Polluxx,

Wah i think the conversation between u and PSD is a bit too techincal for me and i guess many more out there.

OK let me initiate this, do u think is a good idea to 'decipher' the following :-

1. SV
2. WUSV
3. VA
4. DDR
5. zPS
6. Seiger
7. IPO
8. ZPr
9. KKL1
10. FH
11. PSP II
12. BSP Champ

I think enough for the time being lah...hehehhe paisehBlushCrazy

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


Polluxx
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Oct 10, 2003, 9:19 PM

Post #137 of 251 (6027 views)
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Hi Boon,

Must apologise for the confusion here, anywhere will try to explain some of the initial we used here : Tongue

SV = Verein fur Deutsche Schaferhunde
(German Shepherd Dog Club Of Germany)

WUSV = die Weltunion der Schäferhundvereine
(World Union of GSD Club) headed by SV

VA = Vorzuglich-Auslee (The very best among the
excellence)

DDR= Deutsche Demokratische Republik
(East Germany)

zPS = also refers as former Czechoslovakian
Army’s 'Pohranicni Straze' (Border Patrol)
kennel.

Sieger = VA 1 , the no.1 male dog of the annual SV
Sieger Show , (female = Siegerin)

IPO = Internationale Prufungsordnung ; an international version of ScH trial wt slighly different rules.

ZPr = Zuchtprufung , breed suitabilty test, dogs must pass this test before they r allowed to breed
(for rottweiler = Ztp)

KKL = KorKlasse , Breed Survey Class (1, 2, 3) wt
KKL 1 as the best

FH = Fahrtenhund , Tracking Title (FH 1,2 ,3)

PSP = Polizeischutzhundprufung , policedog which
excel in man-work (PSP I, II)

BSP = Bundessiegerprufung, German national ScH
competition for GSD
(BSP Champ = Top working dog, winner of the
BSP competition)


I hope the above will cleared some of the confusion ! Wink....






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Oct 10, 2003, 9:31 PM)


boon
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Oct 10, 2003, 9:32 PM

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Hi Boon,

Must apologise for the confusion here, anywhere will try to explain some of the initial we used here : Tongue

WUSV = die Weltunion der Schäferhundvereine
(World Union of GSD Club) headed by SV *** u mean SV & WUSV is something like FCI & AKC and other affiliate ?

VA = Vorzuglich-Auslee (The very best among the
excellence)
*** VA is the title for the dog or ?
Sieger = VA 1 , the no.1 male dog of the annual SV
Sieger Show , (female = Siegerin) *** Seiger Show is a sport like SchH, tracking and some otehr protection work, herding or Dog show ?

KKL = KorKlasse , Breed Survey Class (1, 2, 3) wt
KKL 1 as the best
*** What is breed survey class ? Blush
FH = Fahrtenhund , Tracking Title (FH 1,2 ,3) *** Tracking and SchH not the same ? I though SchH inclusive tracking also


Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


mhazman
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Oct 10, 2003, 11:43 PM

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Boon,

Go get your working GSD faster laaa.. Then we can make it more interesting...

PSD,
The dog in the Slovak sieger you mentioned.. Is it Anouc ... solid black GSD If its him, I think he got V4.


Anybody's going to Padang Merbok tommorow ?
Who knows a workingline can get BIS.. (Wishful thinking...)

Azman


boon
Doggyman


Oct 10, 2003, 11:48 PM

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Hi Azman,

Hahahah, slowly lah, must understand a bit more before get into this, later i got blame that is not the dog no good, but handler problemBlush

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


mhazman
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Oct 11, 2003, 12:05 AM

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Hi Boon,

Have not heard your bonney saying that yet...

rgds

Azman


boon
Doggyman


Oct 11, 2003, 12:12 AM

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Hahha

my Bonney ah...she is totally spoilt already...what to do....Blush

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


Polluxx
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Oct 11, 2003, 5:23 AM

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hi Boon,

Wink

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"u mean SV & WUSV is something like FCI & AKC and other affiliate ? "
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Not really ! , it is more like WUSV was set up as an organisation for GSD club around the world who wants to be affliated wt SV, and if I'm not mistaken WUSV is headed by SV as well.



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"*** VA is the title for the dog or ?
Sieger = VA 1 , the no.1 male dog of the annual SV
Sieger Show , (female = Siegerin) *** Seiger Show is a sport like SchH, tracking and some otehr protection work, herding or Dog show ? ""
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The VA & Sieger title is only for the show dog awarded in the annual Sieger Show. In some countries like Germany US & Italy 's Sieger show ,
In the Sieger show, each dog conformation is closely checked after which they have a short protection work routine to test the dog's nerve. This is followed by a look at the few leading dogs progeny group to see how good each dog produce ! After which the leading dogs are led thru the field to see their movements (trotting). The No. VA dogs each yr is not fixed, for instance this yr there is 11 VA dogs & 10 VA bitch. { VA 1 = Sieger , Siegerin }

Just wanna stressed the VA dogs of recent yrs (last 20-30 yrs) is chosen more for their conformation, plush coat, rather than their working drv & hardness which is required in the field of work such as police/military/even large flock herding dogs.

Since VA dogs r chosen to be leading dogs by SV, they also served as SV blueprint for the breed development direction. That is the reason why the character of of GSD deteriorate over the last 20-30 yrs b'coz when U breed "not so hard dogs" to "not so hard dogs" , U will get dogs who r "not so hard", "soft" or even "shy" dogs (also refer as fear biters).Unimpressed

Hopefully now SV has a new president (who has some working background) things will improve. Anyway just have to wait & see ! Wink


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"*** What is breed survey class ? "
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It is also refer as Koer, in which registered GSD in SV Studbooks is brought in front of the Kormeister to be evaluate both for his physical structure (conformation), & temperament. To qualify for breed survey, the dog must have a min of ScH 1 title & a show rating of 'G' (Good) & also passed his AD (20 km endurance run) as well an "a' stamp for his hip certification.

During the breed survey , the GSD is given an overall evaluation & critique. The complete detail of the dog structure is written down such weight, withers height, chest depth & circumference as well as the dog coat colour. This is followed by the description of the animal movement. Then we have the portion of survey dealing wt the dogs temperament & characteristic, where the judge will chk for the dog's nerve, confidence (expression) , alertness, courage & also for gun-steadyness.

KKL 1 - highest qualification of dogs which meet the standard for both structure & character, & r recommend for breeding.

KKL 2 - dogs wt some minor defects in either
a.) structure
b.) temperament - not sufficient courage or
fighting drv
c.) slightly oversize or undersize
d.) missing 1 or 2 teeth

They r cases here dogs r allowed to be re-survey if they failed or KKL2 (to upgrade to KKL 1) but must have the consent of the same 'Kormeister" .


For your info most workingline dogs will just get KKL2
not because of temperament but b'coz of just slight structure deviation from the showline standard. As the temperament test is quite ritual & not that stressful, so most top showline dogs who r not shy will be able to pass.
& get KKl 1




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"FH = Fahrtenhund , Tracking Title (FH 1,2 ,3) *** Tracking and SchH not the same ? I though SchH inclusive tracking also"
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Well some ppl prefer to do just tracking for sport so this is for them , but in any case FH 3 is a far more advanced (harder) tracking trial than ScH or even the AKC's TDX title.


Jeez....I hope that should be able to clear some ur confusion...! Wink

Hey guys, PSD & Azman, where r U ? ? ?Shocked
Gotta help me out here la...! ! got very sore fingers alredi.....Tongue

BTW...Boon, U owe me one bowl of Penang Laksa, at least ! Tongue






"Show me your dog and I'll tell you what manner of man you are."
(GSD Founder - Capt Max V Stephanitz)


(This post was edited by Polluxx on Oct 11, 2003, 5:26 AM)


PSD
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Oct 11, 2003, 8:56 AM

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I think you did great. I wouldn't even know where to start...lol

Boon, any more areas you didn'r inderstand?

BTW, I check again yeah it was V4 and not VA....must be getting old already.

Yo others, write something here and don't just read. No one here bites if the quastions are constructive Smile

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


boon
Doggyman


Oct 11, 2003, 9:45 AM

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Hi Polluxx,

yeah certainly u help to clear not some but a lot of my doubt and confusion. Must print this out for future reference and put in a handy place (my outlook notes).

Penang Laksa ? aiyah.....u come lah....penang anything also can....how about penang char keow teoh, penang rojak, penang hokkien mee and penang banyak lagi..........hahhahahaWink

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


boon
Doggyman


Oct 11, 2003, 9:49 AM

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Hi PSD,

hahah got a lot more, but later lah, let me digest first....must understand more and in general picture before i can go further for my ??????????????????????????? mah.....ok.Wink

Boon - I Love Fast Dogs That Hit Hard
You Ask Me To Fight For You, I Give You Freedom & Protection And Then You Question The Manner In Which I Provide It, I'd Rather You Just Said -- "Thank You" --


PSD
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Oct 11, 2003, 7:58 PM

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Sure my friend, but eat faster and give more questions. Smile



BTW wonder what happened to Colin? Dissapeared without a trace all of a sudden.Frown

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


colinchin
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Oct 13, 2003, 5:24 PM

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Morning PSD Smile,

Been a bit tied up with work lately and just came back from Malacca last night. PSD, in your opinion, should one train the dog in obedience first before moving on to protection training ? I get differing opinions and practice.

BTW, PSD and all the working dogs enthusiasts out there, go and check out the announcement at event calendar forum, I have something which could be of interest to you guys.

Keep in touch.

Regards,

Colin


(This post was edited by colinchin on Oct 13, 2003, 5:26 PM)


PSD
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Oct 13, 2003, 8:26 PM

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Colin,



There are differing opinions here I know. In my personal liking I like to see dogs overloaded with drives before doing any control work. The reasons is dog in high drive takes OB "handler mistake" better and will not act like the world just ended. If you start with formal OB, without drive work then it will be too late to develop intense drive later...you will have a harder time doing that.

For me, I prefer sociaisation, prey inprinting, bites inprinting, little bit of motivation OB like sit, down and come with food and toy....I will do this continuously until he is graduated to puppy sleeve (I will not want to correct the puppy for OB yet all these while) Then when he is sleeve crazy and bites full, calm and run with prey then I start enforcing OB. This is only my opinion and many trainers have their own differing opinion. You should form your own too. Dog training is not an exact science, it is creative thinking at the best. Anyway you have until the earliest 18 months to 3 years before you trial him so no need to rush the OB if you plan his training correctly.

BTW, have you decided on GSD or Malinois for yourself?

PSD

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"Take this trouble for me:
Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim ."

Rittmeister Capt. Max von Stephanitz (1864-1936)


colinchin
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Oct 13, 2003, 8:47 PM

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Afternoon PSD,

Thanks for the opinion, you've got a point there. Can I have personal email add. You can contact me at chincolin@hotmail.com

Thanks.

Regards,

Colin

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