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makrawl
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Mar 24, 2004, 1:53 AM

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feel free to chat anything with me if u want. well, let me start it first by asking:

does anyone here knows how to determine if an chicken egg is fertile or not? i used a torch light but can't find the "dot" on the yolk.

where is the CD store selling the most complete jazz music collection especially bossa nova?

r the 3 episodes of lord of the ring is available now in the market? i mean the genuine one. well, i haven't watch any of it and ppl around keep on saying that i'm "siau" coz i miss them...


kesuke
Doggyman


Mar 24, 2004, 5:35 AM

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hello mak! Cool

ahh...i'm your first "chatty"...hehehe....

1. really dunno how to determine the fertile egg..Crazy how can you see the yolk from outside of the shell?? CrazyCrazy

2. aiks..i'm no help in finding jazz music..Blush

3. don't think the complete set of the trilogy is available yet. ROTK is not out yet i think...so guess you'll have to wait for a couple more months for the complete set to come out. aiksss...how come you din watch any of it??

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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nathalie
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Mar 24, 2004, 10:03 AM

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Smilehi,

would like to join ur chat zone but dunno the answers for your questions wor...paisehBlush


makrawl
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Mar 24, 2004, 6:40 PM

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welcome welcome. aiya.. actually i don't like to enter the theater coz everytime i step out from it, i'll have a feeling of "wah! so late already?" and it is a bad idea to go for a movie when meeting up with friends coz in the cinema, u just can't chat with them but to keep quiet. (for your information, i TALK A LOT).

well, i put the egg on top of the torch and let the light beam shine through the egg and see from the other side. recently i let my hen to sit on 11 eggs and only one is fertile. that really turned me down. the rest all become "chou ji dan". waste my hen's effort loh...

u from Penang right? actually i visited Penang few months ago and i realised that Penang has lots of quality petshop too these days. actually r they selling expensive? for instants what's the range of price for an ECS puppy? in KL they can range from 800 (i bought direct from the breeder) to 1600 (petshop at Mid valley) and what's the popular breed at Penang? recently i think MS is getting more popular at KL.


makrawl
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Mar 24, 2004, 7:31 PM

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welcome welcome. did u visit the MIPE at Mid valley KL? i missed it. too bad.


kesuke
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Mar 25, 2004, 4:56 AM

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kakaka....ya i agree with you....outing with friends if go to the cinemas then a bit 'wasted' lah coz you can't chat with your friends. so you better make the whole day free lah.....then can hang out and also watch movies right? hahahah.....you talk a lot ah?? then can fight with nat here lah....ehhehehee......LaughLaugh

eh? you have a hen? and even have eggs? are you doing an experiment or something? ehheehe....SlyCrazy

yep me penang lang...nat is also penang lang. wah i really dunno the price of an ECS here...haven't been to petshops for a while now and also i don buy from petshops so ... i dunno lah. Tongue but i think it's mostly the same as in KL lah...won't differ much. as for popular breeds...if you check out our penang lang thread..you'll see that no 1 breed really dominates the scene. there are more GRs and labbies lah...but equally more are shih tzus and silkies too.... eh you doing survey ah?? ehehhe....LaughLaugh

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nathalie
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Mar 25, 2004, 10:08 AM

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lol mak kor kor, i live in pglah how 2 go?

how's ur humping problem? goldie and beauty? got somemore stories to tell ah? Laugh


makrawl
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Mar 25, 2004, 5:24 PM

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how to go? take a bus and arrive at puduraya and take another bus to MID VALLEY LOH.Sly

CHOI! what my humping problem? i'm not that "KIM SIEU" lah! Laugh actually they r ok these days(basically). actually beauty is almost 1.5 years old but strange... i realise that she still has some puppy coat on her (those very fine and soft cotton-like fur).

by the way u have two dogs right? a pom and a lab?


makrawl
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Mar 25, 2004, 5:43 PM

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for your information, i have 5 hens and 5 cockerel. not doing experiment lah, just wanna "expand" my Serama chicken population.

not doing survey, just "kepo" only. and see if the market price is cheaper there, maybe i can buy a puppy later when i visit my aunt.

actually i think it is not easy to keep dogs when u have a very sensitive nose. i don't know if u have this problem but i do. when i brush them, cleaning them, i'll sneeze like mad and having running nose for hours....


kesuke
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Mar 25, 2004, 7:42 PM

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kakakaka....you have a humping problem....ahhahahaha!!!!!!!!! LaughSlyLaugh

wah you keep chickens and also dogs...geng! won't your dogs chase the chickens around? ehh..good exercise ler...hehehe....

so you are looking for another dog to add to your family?? i salute you lah man...2 dogs and 10 chickens liao still looking for dogs...ehhehe...

haha...then you are a bit sensitive to the hair loh...i'm quite fine. if it's bad, then just put on a mask lah...a bit silly but at least you won't keep sneezing and your nose will still be on your face instead of running to dunno where....hehehe....

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makrawl
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Mar 26, 2004, 1:52 AM

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well, all the chickens are kept in the cages and they r seperated from the dogs. my dogs love to chase moving creatures like birds, gecko, cats, croaches etc. everytime when goldy barks at the chickens, the cock will be fully alert and i simply hold his head to the cock (since he likes to fight with the cock) and let the cock to peck his nose! then i'll say "serve u right!" to teach him a lesson, but looks like he never learn.

i have lots of animals in my house, beside the dogs and the chickens, i have tortise, fishes, mouse (sendiri mari punya Laugh) and lots of plants.

beside my nose, i also have sensitive skin. if the r dirty and after i play with them, my skin will have rhesus and very itchy. gosh... but i think it is no big deal lah as i can tahan it.


kesuke
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Mar 26, 2004, 4:54 AM

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kkakkaka...your goldy is very michevious lah....ehhehe......Tongue

wow...you sure are a animal lover!! even have tortoise and fish...and the mouse live in your attic is it?? ehhehehe.....Laugh how do you find time to take care of so many animals? now i only have my fatty hamster...ehhe....

wahh...sensitive nose and skin and you're still keeping dogs...your love for dogs must be wow!! Cool

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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nathalie
Doggyman


Mar 26, 2004, 7:34 AM

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Smilehi

u think so easy ah? take bus from penang to kl then to mid valley? i was never allowed to take bus to kl alonelah...my mum will kill me for that, so most of the times i either tumpang my fren's car or go with my bro(he's studying there). anyway i love mid valley..it's a real heaven for shopping. u can get anything from there...all my favourite picks for clothes and shoes and even pet products...comparatively yo KLCC..too pricey for me even to buy a piece of cloth..hahahLaugh

cocker's coat take around 2 years to be totally adult coatlah...so dun worry. i see a gorgeous ecs that day but too bad my digicam spoiled or else i can take his pic..he's got very long and shiny coat. like show dog..and very long and musculine squarish face.Smile


nathalie
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Mar 26, 2004, 7:41 AM

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wahShocked

u have a zoo at homelah, so many population of species..u muz have a very huge house...even 2 dogs also pening kepala d. imagine u even have fish, tortoise and ayam...

my bro used to have tortoiselah..we had 2..one is 5 years old while another is 1. they are quite big so my mum put it in a pond outside our house and they have been living there for almost a year till one day SPLASH the rain carried them away...we never see them again Frown

talking bout chicken my grandma use th have one black color hen with white fur..very nutritous for health wan..then one day she ran out thru the drain. my mum was searching high & low then the next day mum saw lots of feathers and her internal testines in the drain..the culprit was the stray cats! my mum was so furious that my mum chased all the cat away with hot water Pirate

then my dad has a bird..dunno wat birdlah..kept for 8 years d, then one day some ppl came into the house and stole him. my dad was so upset Mad

so we decided we dun keep these animals anymore but keep dogs only..n they are both kept indoorsSmile


makrawl
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Mar 26, 2004, 5:41 PM

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yeah, KL is a place to spend. so i always avoid going to these malls as they really make me spend.

i know the type of chicken that u had last time. my mother had it too. well, i keep fish as a hobby since i was 9 yo. can't live without it.

that's one of the reason why i keep cocker, coz their coat is just too beautiful! their shinny coat is really the dream of all the girls who wish to have shinning hair..... and everytime when they r under the sun, they really shine! ***** and look so sparkling clean (although they r not).


nathalie
Doggyman


Mar 26, 2004, 10:21 PM

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Smilehaha,

now u say u avoid malls when u have gf you'll always go dloh..coz it's cold n cosy in there...n there goeslah ur $$$$

wah, whatever chicken i mention also u have wan..very keng chaulah...fish also u like ah? what fish do u have now?

lol cocker's hair even not under the sun also shiny..yeahlah nice coat at the same time not too long so not somuch grooming required...a gurls dream for shint hair? go rebondinlah...hahaWink

look clean coz their color is darkmah....or else can see the dirty patches..hahaLaugh


jennifer6636
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Mar 29, 2004, 12:15 AM

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hello mak, nice to knowing u...my name is jennifer n i stay in Jenjarom.

i own a chow,two st.bernard n dalmatian.


makrawl
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Mar 29, 2004, 6:27 PM

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hey! jennifer! which part of jenjarom u r staying? i always travel to jenjarom due to my job. r u staying near the town? i mean somewhere around the chinese primary school at Jalan Sekolah?


makrawl
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Mar 29, 2004, 6:43 PM

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haiya! leng lui! don't mention about the girlfriend issue lah! u and kesuke said wanna "introduce" but no action taken?Laugh i wait until my neck is 3 feet longer than last time loh....

maybe i should walk my dogs at the public more often as my friend told me that a man who walk his dog will have 3x chances higher in getting a partner compare to those who don't walk any dog. Hmm.... i wonder how true it is.......


makrawl
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Mar 29, 2004, 6:47 PM

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honestly speaking,actually i think my dogs love me more than i love them. coz they never feel "geram" on me and i always feel very very "geram" on them sometimes.....

by the way, i heard that there's a walking trail for visitors at Bukit Bendera. is that the one that i saw last time at the side of the cable car's trail? how long does it takes to reach the top using that trail?


nathalie
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Mar 29, 2004, 6:52 PM

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u back off d, so din introducelohWink ask u wat type of girls u wan all those keng chau ones..mana nak cari?

truelah, coz it's more attractionmah..esp if ur dogs r cun..haha


makrawl
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Mar 29, 2004, 8:23 PM

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Hmm.... i have two dogs with me..... wah! then i might have 6x chances higher loh! Laugh better go out and buy more dogs to make it a 100%. (better than buying insurance).


jennifer6636
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Mar 29, 2004, 9:10 PM

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hai, makrawl, yaloh.....when u see the balai polis, go terus n u can see the big buddhist templer n turn left n terus go in terus n u can see many of kelapa sawit land, is somewhere there...my house is landed property wan. what is your job? what breed do u hv?


(This post was edited by jennifer6636 on Mar 29, 2004, 9:13 PM)


makrawl
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Mar 29, 2004, 10:25 PM

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wah! can't wait to invite me to your house ah? Sly i think i know where is your location now. i'm a fertilizer salesman by day and a dogs servant at night. Cool

i own two english cocker spaniel. u can see my evils at the photos gallery. looks like u like big breed a lot. i like big dogs too but i'm not ready for them as i'm not at home everyday.


nathalie
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Mar 30, 2004, 4:44 AM

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Laughhahaah

eventually you'll have too many dogs and instead of having 100% chances, you'll have 100% of chores and mess to clean up......

gils will not even look at you coz u'll spend all ur times on ur dogs n no time for yourself...Laugh

2 is enogh as long as they are peroperly taken care off and behaves...heheSmile


kesuke
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Mar 30, 2004, 9:27 PM

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kakakak....that's the magic and beauty of dogs....they forgive and they really forget!!! eheheh.....whereas we don't even have that kind of attitude....must learn more from our fur masters lah......LaughSly

there is a walking trail at bukit bendera...but i'm not too sure where exactly it is. eeemm....wrong ppl you ask for information....hehehe....but i see if i can try to find out for you or not ah....LaughCrazy

eh...you still no gf ka?? why ah?? Laugh cannot work everyday and not stay home lah.....then who takes care of your poor doggies ah?? you must groom them nice nice and then take them out for walkies rigth? go to your local parks lah....take them to cafes lah...take them to beach lah....then mah alot of girls come up and ask you about your doggies liao loh....right?? hehehehehe......LaughSly

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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makrawl
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Apr 5, 2004, 8:08 PM

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it's been so busy these days...... work till i drop somemore agree to a friend to join in their concert on July... phew.... feel very tired. now my life has only two things, work and practice (exclude eat and sleep).

how's life? if i'm not wrong, i r studying right? well, i really miss my school day. poor but free!


makrawl
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Apr 5, 2004, 8:12 PM

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my dear, i don't even have enough time to "groom myself nice nice" these days.... :)

well, of course i still groom, trim, and clean them up but just a quick one rather than cut their fur for hours. just trim the legs and ears only.


kesuke
Doggyman


Apr 5, 2004, 9:13 PM

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wah so busy ka?? kesian lah...Unimpressed

eh you are very geng ah..you also groom them like cut their fur and all yourself?? Shocked

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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makrawl
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Apr 6, 2004, 12:22 AM

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yeah, i groom and trim them myself. i bought some books and learn from the net too. and my mother is a retired hair stylist. so she "kuasa" her scissors to me. i enjoy trimming them as i learn but poor them... sometimes they look really very very gross when i'm doing some "experiment" on the new cut. and by trimming them myself, i can save some money and they can still look "good" (i think they look good.... at least??)


nathalie
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Apr 6, 2004, 8:22 AM

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Smilewah,

so busy..even become singer or band member pulak Wink

u do your own dog grooming ah? ECS got not much to groomlah..i also do my own grooming at home..cut here and there but mine too little to cutlah..no fun wan.Unsure

me also no lifemah..study...then online..play wif dogs..no social life Frown muz go clubbing morelah..hheeWink


makrawl
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Apr 6, 2004, 5:33 PM

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aiyo.... less trimming not enough fun? u know how the grooming will break your back when u r facing 2 or more dogs who need serious trimming. i do it once every two weeks.

not band but orchestra. Wink


by the way..... don't know if u r serious... it is not wrong to go clibbing but not too often as this activities only waste time and consume money only loh..... (for my opinion). better spend your free time and money wisely as life is short and time is too little to be wasted. if u r free, spend it by doing something beneficial like read or learn something or plan your time table loh. sounds boring but at least you r learning something in every seconds. anyway, work hard and play hard. and that's what i call life.


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nathalie
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Apr 7, 2004, 8:58 AM

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Smilewah,

break your back so serious ah? i used to work under a groomer last time so i have done lot of dog grooming..and poodle shave is my favourite besides MS shave...ACS has more shaving to do compared to ECS....only trim the paws and the ears...however if ur ECs cannot sit still (most CS are like thatlah)..then teruklah..coz if they keep on jumping off the table or walk here and there....then it'll really break not your back only but also your patience Mad

wah..u r in orchestra? so artistic..wow wow wow Shocked...requires so much practise and hardwork to be in an orchestra..what instrument are you playing? i always admire those artistic people...i used to learn piano..until step 3..haha..gave up coz teacher keeps on abusing me Pirate

u think i'm serious in going clubbing everynitekah? i only go once or twice a month but i usually go out and catch up with my buddies or high schoolmates for a drinklah Wink BTW my favourite past time is to groom my dogs & take them out to either hiking or swimming and to rest coz i often don't get enough of it.....my life revolves around my dogs and when i'm into doing something..i give my all, so when i go out i enjoy myself to the MAX too..hehe Laugh


makrawl
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Apr 7, 2004, 5:53 PM

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that's why lah. never really sit still. very dangerous especially when i'm cleaning their ear wax. last time i use cotton bud but now dare not to use anymore just roll the cotton into rod and clean with fingers only. when there's a strange sound, they'll jump up directly and run. have to "marah-marah" everytime grooming them.

well, i'm not into symphony orchestra. i'm joining Chinese orchestra. i'm playing er-hu since i was 13 yo. (the one ppl always said "potong ayam" leh). your teacher didn't abuse u.... i think it's becouse the lack of practice who abuse u lah.Wink i'm suffering the same thing now.

by the way, i found a website on ECS groups from HK yesterday. looks interesting.

http://ecschk.com/index2.htm


kesuke
Doggyman


Apr 13, 2004, 7:11 PM

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wow! i think you did a pretty good job on your two CSs...i mean from the picture they look nice...can't see the body though...Tongue

definitely save money to groom them yourself...their hair cut is much more expensive than ours lah!! some more have to do it quite often also...Crazy

wow..you play the er-hu? hmm...not much guys are in the chinese orchestra..Cool

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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makrawl
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Apr 13, 2004, 7:29 PM

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thank you.Blush

actually there's lots of young ppl enjoy playing chinese music instruments. u just need to observe. they r everywhere. Penang has lots of these playes too especially Bkt Mertajam. coz the school is good. well, i think it's good to learn one or two music instruments as i can spend my free time wisely at the same time entertaining myself and the family or friends too. sometimes i play at some function (eg. wedding, restaurant, concerts) and earning some extra pocket money too while sharpening my skill from time to time. maybe u can hire me to play music on your wedding day? i'll give you 20% discount?Laugh

by the way, is kesuke your nickname or it refers to your dog.....

how's things going? hope it is fine.


kesuke
Doggyman


Apr 13, 2004, 9:01 PM

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ah yes i know...the two jit sins high school (independent and government) have chinese orchestra and they are pretty good. have won in competition before.

waahh...really not bad mah...earn extra pocket money...Cool kakaka...my wedding day? you have to wait a long long time lah....ehehe...i think yours would be much sooner than mine...ehhehe..then YOU can hire me to play piano for you on your big day...heheehehe...

kesuke is my nick name...my dog is called billy...a GR but not here anymore. Unsure

things are fine here...am feeling so hungry right now...akkakakaka...Tongue

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
Penang lang? Click here!!


makrawl
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Apr 13, 2004, 10:05 PM

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what happen to Billy? and do u still own any dog now?


kesuke
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Apr 14, 2004, 3:30 AM

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nope i don have anymore dogs right now..Frown click on his name below to know what happened to him...

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
Penang lang? Click here!!


nathalie
Doggyman


Apr 15, 2004, 9:28 AM

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paiseh..din reply ur post so long...Blush

i understand coz when u groom halfway they'll jump n cannot sit quietly..esp ESClah..hayyo..even poodles also..imagine shaving their delicate face botak then they start jumpinMad so sacred their face'll bleed Unsure

i use cottonbud coz my dogs love to be groomed..they'll sit quietly and i'll clean their ears almost daily..while bath them once a week..trim paw pad also once a weekSmile how often do u bath & groom them?

wah u play er hu? very artisticlah..not many ppl can play instruments like that nowadays esp youngsterlah...nolah my teacher always gila wan..i practise...but mayb bcoz i dun have the interest alsolah..my godma always forme me to join stuffs like that..lagi gymnasts...also quit halfway coz no interestFrown


makrawl
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Apr 18, 2004, 8:57 AM

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so sorry to hear that. i understand how you feel at the moment. i had a mongreal last time who stay in the garden. one day he was poison too and we were not at home for a few days (we ask the neighbour to feed him for us). my neighnour called us once she realised he is acting abnormally and vomitting. we came back after a day or two (i can't remember) and he just stand till he sees everyone of us that night. the next day when we woke up, he is gone, sneak out from the house (he never do it before) and went to a place where we can't find him to die. i was so mad that i don't understand why ppl would do such a thing?! since that incident, i always crate or cage all my dogs up when i'm out for long hours or during night time. ppl ask me why i wanna crate them up when i'm gone? they said they thought i keep dogs to guard the house? but they r wrong. actually it is enough for me when they spot something and bark. the rest is my business. just try to be carefull as anything could happen in any moment that out of your expectation. hope this won't make you step back from keeping dogs again.

losing a dog is a very very hard time but try to accept it as we all know that every life will comes to an end one day from the first day we r born on this earth. of course, we all hope our dogs leave in peace and so does our dogs don't want us to live in sorrow after they leaved. i had a spizt who was run over by my brother in law when he was rushing to his grandma's house after knowing that she passed away. she was killed on the spot. i cry for days coz i look after her since the first day she came and she's my favourite dog and staying with me for 9 years. she mean more than only a dog to me. but comes into another point, this might be one of her choice to relief herselves as she was suffering bone cancer at the leg. (i brought her to the vet, did surgery, but the cancer cells was not remove successfully). and i don't know if it is coincidence or true...... few days after her death, i saw her in my dream, wagging her tail happily and running to me with a healthy leg (she was "tempang" for months) then i woke up. my sis also dreamed of her as she was rubbing her body happily around her legs soon after her death. well, this makes me feel better as i "know" she's happy and doesn't suffer from the sicknes anymore. (sounds "stupid" but this is one way that give me hope that she's fine and happy)

time will heal your wound. sorry to make you feel sad again by asking your dog's incident. appreciate all the things around us while we can. love is everywhere... if u open your heart.


makrawl
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Apr 18, 2004, 9:16 AM

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well, i bath them with shampoo once a week and clean them once a while with clean water only if they mess themselves up before the bathing day. groom them about two weeks once. don't have enugh time to do it every week. actaully they enjoy ears cleaning very much and show me a very "shiok" face everytime i "dig" their ears.

yeah we mustn't force to learn anything. interest must come from inside. i told myself that i wanna learn erhu since i was about 10 yo. got the chance to learn playing erhu eventually at 13 yo till today. maybe everyone should ask themselves "do i really love or like to do it?" this includes keeping a pet like dog. some ppl i saw were just "hangat hangat tahi ayam" only. just like a poor beagle that my f**king neighbour has. really feel like cursing them sometimes.


kesuke
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Apr 26, 2004, 11:48 PM

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thank you so much for sharing..i really really appreciate it.
i am already feeling much better though i still miss my boy dearly. i cried for days when i first lost him, lost my apetite to eat and everything...and he was still so young...only 2 plus...he'd be three last month.
of course we understand that all living things will die one day...but not thru circumstances like this. we hope our beloved dogs will live long lives and grow old with us and share our lives...but sadly, mine din.
i dreamed of my boy just a few days ago...the first time...and i felt so happy coz i get to hug him in my dream. it doesn't sound stupid at all to believe in dreams...at least i do believe that my boy is up at the rainbow bridge..together with your spitz and your mongerl dog.

i will get another dog but just not so soon...not a right time as i'll be leaving for my studies...and i still miss my boy.
thank you for everything you've said...i am very touched. Smile

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makrawl
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Apr 28, 2004, 12:18 AM

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so u r going overseas to study? which country u r going? for me, this is a dream. i always want to study overseas but due to my family condition, i have to turn it down and fight hard to get a good place at local university. maybe next time. if i ever wanna get a master or pHD. for now, i need to keep enough money first.


nathalie
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Apr 28, 2004, 9:23 AM

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ooh..that's still alot of effort put in grooming your dogs. i groom my dogs on weekly basis n bath my pom twice a month or sometimes 3 times a month while my lab 1-2 times a week coz she smells.my lab's ears have to be cleaned almost everyday coz it smells as closed ears tend to smell more..does ur ECS? So teruklah the way u say u 'syiok' to see their expressions on their ears. mine dun really like to clean earsloh esp my lab coz she'll scratch..hehe..look so cute..Wink

i can't agree most with the point that interest of owning a dog have to come from within. many people especially youngsters & children nowadays take thing for granted..want this want that but then after that throw aside n the poor maid have to take care or leave the poor animal to rot. went to my fren's house ..the neighbour has a beutiful but skinny lab. he's tied outside the shade 24 hours aday eventhough it's raining or humid.they dun give him food or water till they r back from work at the evening. sometimes my frens pity him so buy him some bun, but the neighbour will scold coz he poo after food..there's nothing i can do coz if i report to spca they'll think it's my fren's family..meaning indirectly pull them down the trouble..so juz hope one day when the owner's not around we leave the lab from the house...Frown


makrawl
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Apr 28, 2004, 6:49 PM

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sometimes we have to take action if we see anything not good but do it within your limit, not beyond your limit. i did called the SPCA last time to complain about the beagle that kept "in-humanely" by my neighbour. they did came but they leave the place without taking any action. later the neighbour told my mother that someone is "jealous" as they keep a pure breed and call the SPCA to kacau them (i was the one! but they have no idea). they said "my dog is very "hoh mia" one, eat branded dog food and use nice container to eat and drink" (but staying in the tiny cage 24 hours a day, poo. sleep and pee at the same place) u know? the dog howl sadly everyday and the cage is placed just beside my room window. i feel so sad for can't do anything everytime i hear it. and they seems like become deaf already coz they have no reaction at all everytime the dog howls. and they also have a rottweiler where they tie her up 24 hours a day with a short chain and again, she poo, pee sleep at the same spot. but one thing strange, they release the two mongeals to roam freely in the compound and never lock them up....... actually the pure breed is own by the son (who is earning dirty money) who bought the dogs leave them to the uncivilize parents and let them torture them. he seldom stay in the house (might saw him once in a few months). i nenevr talk to them since few moths ago as they become very very unreasonable and cursing ppl for no reason. (include me. imagine that?! an old lady (60++) and accusing me (26 yo) that i pay someone to attack her!? i mean for what?! i scolded her kau kau that day)

just pick up the phone and call SPCA. do what ever u can. your details is kept confidential. but i think i should inform your friend first before u do it. let them be ready.

how stupid is that by saying after the dog eats it will poo. and they doesn't feed becouse they don't want the dog poo. yeah, why don't they stop eating and drinking as all will come out again eventually? and why not they "recycle it" as this will save LOTS of money? they use their butt to think instead of using their brain (if they ever have one).


makrawl
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Apr 28, 2004, 11:12 PM

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i'm going to China for 5 days during this coming long weekend... but SARS is coming back at the same time. worry lah but paid all the money already. don't worry too much lah.... just go and have fun first.


kesuke
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May 5, 2004, 12:27 AM

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will be going to the states. don give up your dream of studying overseas...it has always been my dream as well...and i am fortunate that my dad is willing to "sponsor" me. so if you decided to do your master/phd, which country would you go?

hey...going to china? for travel?

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makrawl
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May 6, 2004, 6:17 PM

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i have a few friends r studying pHD at States now. some r working there too.

well, for me... i'll pick some country that is good in agricultural sector as i'm an agricultural graduate. Japan, States, Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, Thai and UK is doing well, in these sector (as far as i know) since i have limited $$, maybe i just focus on Thai, NZ or Taiwan..... maybe Japan too.

China trip was a holiday trip organize by my company. places r beautiful but the group i joined (colleagues) r sucks. they ruined my mood. Pirate


kesuke
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May 6, 2004, 10:08 PM

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wow..an agricultural graduate? what exactly do you study?

if i could choose again, i might pick japan and then UK. Smile

too bad that your colleagues ruined your vacation.. some of them are really a pain in the ass.
where did you go in china?

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makrawl
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May 6, 2004, 10:58 PM

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aiyo! US is good too lah. don't be too picky lah.

i went to Guang Xi for 5 days. yeah, those r really asshole. someone told me these group of ppl will only need 3 sentences to describe them. " Shang che shui jiao, xia che niao niao, hui jia shen me dou bu zhi dao" (sleep when u r in the car, pee when u r out from the car, and at last u know nothing when u r home)

nice scenary. i think i'll plan a future trip again. but this time, it must be a back pack travel with maximum 4 person only. that will be more fun.


nathalie
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May 6, 2004, 11:13 PM

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Smilewah,

u went to guangxi? my dad juz came back from 2 weeks trip to beijing..he said there nice wo..however the food suckslah Unsure

i talked over to my fren but they refused to call spca..so i guess they'll stick to their good deeds by feeding the dog a loaf of bread daily Smile


kesuke
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May 7, 2004, 9:46 PM

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haahhaa....your colleagues that bad? but if they always "shui jiao" and "niao niao" then wont' be that bad gua?

yeah backpacking would be more fun...esp. if you go with your group of friends. Smile

my parents will be going to china too 2 weeks later. it's like a china rage or something..Crazy

Sorely missed and always remembered - Beloved Billy
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makrawl
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May 10, 2004, 8:35 PM

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well, at least u've try your best.

actually those food that we (tourist) had r specially "formulated" for us called "tuan chan" (group meal). it is like those food we have at the canteen, everyday teh same! that's why your father said the food sucks but i would say that those "group meals" are sucks but no commend on their local delicacy as i don't even have a chance to try on it (but beware on the sanitary level). argghhh.... really wanna go again!


makrawl
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May 10, 2004, 8:41 PM

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u know how they mess up my mood? when the tour guide was talking in front, they (99% are arrogant aunties that thinks they r one class higher than the China's chinese) ignore her and gamble (imagine, "two table" in a bus and shouted like a mad person when someone win). this is so embaressing as they might see US - Malaysian as "a group of uncivilize monkeys who r crazy in gambling".

and i fall sick for two days after the trip. didn't get enough water and got fever. my mom said "sei loh! don't know if u got SARS or not!" but i know i'm not lah as my fever only reached 37degree not over 38 degree. but it feels very bad when u really got sick for two days. sleep and toilet business only for two days.....


nathalie
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May 11, 2004, 3:38 AM

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my dad says every morning also eat prridge with some dishes..their food's not so spicy unless u try sechuan..lagi the winter almost killed my dad..was -2 selcious..when u go was it still snowing? coz spring came quite late this year in UK..it's juz spring now when it's suppose to be summer d..

u should go see panda..that's the only reason i want to go China..but there r so many things & interesting places..my parents also said they want to go again..my grandma used to go almost annnually coz she's from China...Smile do u have any ancestry from China? Crazy


makrawl
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May 11, 2004, 6:48 PM

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u wanna see panda? easy lah! take a bus to KL and look for me. sure u'll see a BIG PANDA who didn't sleep well since months ago.Laugh

actually u can see panda at Hong Kong's Ocean park. i was there and suprisingly met two beautiful pandas. so happy to see them. and one of them even "bang sai" infront of me. for the first time in my entire life i saw panda's poo. greyish green and looks not so gross afterall.

well, Guang Xi is at the south of China and it is now late spring to early summer. the weather is just like us but the breeze is cooling. better avoid going to China during winter especially for old ppl as lot's of them tends to fall sick when they couldn't stand the extremem weather. well, the air is dryer than ours and u should bring some lip balm to keep your lips moist.

make sure u take enough water with u. and eat fruits and take vit C. and don't miss the "bizzare toilet" of China.

well, i have some relatives at China (they r my grandpa's cousins' childrens) but didn't really keep in touch as they treat us like "the goose who lay golden eggs". tired of them. try to treat them good but they treat u as piggy bank only. i also wonder if i should go back to visit my grandpa's village coz i'm worry they might "strip my skin off" coz i have no money.

Mak


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kesuke
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May 13, 2004, 11:23 AM

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oh...aunties hor...... yeah i know...sometimes aunty aunty are like that...that's the ugly side of chinese loh....sometimes feel so ashamed of my own race lah..UnsureCrazy

oh poor you...how are you feeling now? no more toilet business i presume? Laugh a lot of ppl fall sick these days...due to the weather? my 2 bros and my dad all came down with fever and flu and coughing... my house is like "virus zone".....Crazy luckily my mom and i are fine....Cool

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nathalie
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May 14, 2004, 9:44 AM

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Smileehehe,

u r now talking to a giant panda too..hehe..i also din sleep well for a few months d... but if u wan me to see u panda mak then i can meet up with u when i'm down in KL Wink

seeing panda at it's habitat is the nicest view...i have not been to Hk but would love to go one day. 'bang sai'..wah u very keng lah..very lucky lah i would say..coz ppl rarely get to see a panda poo also..Tongue

i muz ask my dad where he been..true coz my dad bought alot of lip balm..when he went he wore socks & gloves 24/7 and applied lipba;lm coz he did not expect it to be so cold n had cracked lips when the wind blow. my dad also bought some cheongsam coz it's quite cheap N those caligraphic paintings.

My grandma has a twin sister there..truelah like what u said..'sapu' everything u have..think like my grandma juz came back from goldmine like tat...they dun ask but juz take like theirs n took basically everything..my grandma came home with her spectacles coz they took her new gold rimmed glasses...n some of her clothes as well... very scarylah..so now my grandma juz go visit them n go back to my aunt's house in HK.


mieliki
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May 23, 2004, 10:38 AM

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Hi there,

Would love to join your chit chat forum but I don't really have much to share. Just for my first furkid a week back and since then have been busy visiting the vet in Ikano every weekend trying to get my kid vaccinated.

But unfortunately, each time go there, the doctor say he's not comfortable about the pup getting it done yet and then force me to go for another round of appointment. Money gone, time wasted. And the worst part is, my furkid seems to dislike travelling by car.. Journey to and fro Ikano is really a killer for her. *sigh*

Oh yea, to answer your first post question.. LOTR whole series is already out. But not too sure if there are any full triology sets yet.


nathalie
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May 24, 2004, 6:32 AM

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Smilehi,

dun ahve much to share? don't worry..we dun juz talk about dogs here..we also talk about our lives and complains about anything..as long as u have anything about everything u want to voice up..juz join usWink

why don't u call the vet first before going there? it's quite inethical of him to keep on rescheduling his appointment unless ur pup's weak or something's wrong..BTW did he mention any reasons for not vaccinating your pup? Crazy

if ur baby's not comfortable travelling, why not try to locate a vet near your residental area or somewhere within a shorter distance? actually it's recommended to have a vet near your place so that in cases of emergency, u don't have to travel so far plus it's more convenient to your vet which already has the details/medical records on your pup...think about it Smile


mieliki
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May 24, 2004, 12:10 PM

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Well.. did thought about relocatiing to a nearer vet, but what to do? the first vaccination is supposed to be provided by the vet as part of the package for purchasing the pup.

He did not specifically mention the reason, just that he feels/thinks that the pup is not able to withstand the dosage. *sigh*

Oh well, how much does the 3 vaccination course costs? Coz if it's not too much, might as well forget about the package deal and get them from some vet nearby my place...


nathalie
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May 24, 2004, 9:06 PM

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cannot withstand the dosage? what type of excuse is that? Mad unless and until your pup is sick or or below 6 weeks old, if not what 'super dosage' he's giving youyr baby? it's a lame excuselah...

i suppose your pup is almost 2 mths now rite? it's time to take it's first dosage..take 6 in 1 instead of parvo virus coz he's stronger to take 6 in 1 d, plus 6 in 1 has a dosage against distemper which is commonly attacking pups.

normally a dosage would 6 in 1 would cost around 30-50 depending on which vet u take it while the 2nd jab would be of the same price but the last jab is the booster will cost u less...so in total it'll be less than 200.

however if u are insisting to go back to the vet, just call up and ask him what type of vaccination is he giving your dog....

sometimes when u buy a dog, ppl can promise you the whole wold but once it got out to your hands then it's a different story...sadly but there's lack of enforcement causing many innocent buyers to encounter this...if u browse thru the forums you'll see breeders/petshops refuse to issue certificates, refuse to admit selling a sick dog.. but u are lucky...coz u juz face a vaccination problem...call him and pester him coz it's your rights..good luck ya Smile


mieliki
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May 25, 2004, 8:54 AM

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Hi Nathalie

Well.. if it was just a vaccine problem then it would have been easily solved.. One thing I hope you can help to clarify.. Do all dogs come with a birth certificate or something irregardless if they have been microchipped or registered with MKA?

When I "rescued" the my girl, I was told that she was not not registered with MKA and hence there was no cert or microchip provided. When I asked of her birthdate, the salesperson just mention "You do the calculations yourself.. she was exactly 7 weeks plus 7 days when you bought her." On hearing that only I feel frustrated and had a hard time refraining myself from saying "up yours"...

Thank god my girlie is gaining weight.. but she seems to pick up the habit of biting very hard. Sigh.. telling her stern "No", tap her nose, tossing her around.. all these just seem to encourage her more instead of stopping her.. any special recommendations?


nathalie
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May 25, 2004, 10:57 AM

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u meanioned ur gal was not registered under MKA rite? if she does not meaning that you'll not get a certificate stating her lineage, her breed and her registered details..however if u purhased your pup from a responsible breeder, they should have at least vaccine their pups before handing it to u or the pet shop u purcahsed her from.

a puppy's immunes system is very weak n they can be easily contacted with various deadly disease if they do not have their at least first jab done before they are placed among other dogs. only after it attained 6 mths the immune system starts to get stronger..which is why u need the 3 dosages are crucial to puppies.

normally after the pup's first visit to vet (usually for their first jab), the vet will issue a vaccination/health record for recording the pup's vaccination dates, types of dosages, it's birthdate & personal details. the card should be choped & signed by a vet and not the breeder themselves.

as the record will only be issued by a vet after it's first jab, however they might not issue u the vaccination record as your pup's vaccination is still pending..as ther's nothing to record. if your pup is bought from a petshop i think chances are they'll not provide u with the birthdate coz i presume they don't even know as the breeder who sold the pups to them sounds so irresponsible.

anyway as long as u love them, birthdate aren't so important rite..i ahve Teddy for almost 5 years now and i dun even know when was he exactly born..so i celebrate the day i bought him back.Smile

for the biting problem..hope this link can help:

http://www.puppy.com.my/...ing_my_hand._P77506/


mieliki
Dog Kichi


May 25, 2004, 11:02 AM

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Hey Nathalie,

Thanks for your prompt reply. I thought I'd be the only zombie in here this hour. Will check out the link.

I already did my calculation and have to make a rough estimate for her. Should have done what you did.. label the date I bought her as her birthdate instead.. make life easier by say.. 10 mins? *grin*

So, what's keeping you up this hour?


nathalie
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May 26, 2004, 12:59 AM

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ermm actually replied u earlier but suddenly pressed the back button muz retype the whole thing again Mad

okie..back to why am i awake..i'm zombie mah..hehe..like u. nolah..am studying for exams in a day's time ~juz an excuse for staying up late ~ actually i dun really sleep until wee hours say 3-4am...i'm an owl..heheTongue

when ur pup grows u'll realise that it's birthdate isn't so important after all..now the most imporatant thing is to get ur pup vaccinated but remember to bath her before taking her to the vet coz she cannot be bathed a week after her jab. Smile


makrawl
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May 26, 2004, 2:01 AM

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sorry for the late reply. i was attending a seminar and later working at Pahang for the whole week. feel so tired.

well, i'm ok now and maybe i'll try to post up some of my photos to show u.

how things going?


makrawl
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May 26, 2004, 2:05 AM

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hey doggyman, thanks for keeping this forum busy while i was away for more than i week! so damn busy these days. traveling like a mad person last week.


makrawl
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May 26, 2004, 2:19 AM

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thanks for the info on LOTR.

by the way, i think Nathalie has a point. sometimes, for my personal point of view, that MKA cert doesn't really important if u don't have the intention to breed your dog. but of course we hope to get a dog with the cert as it is more "secure" than getting a dog that doesn't have it. my male dog is given by someone and he doesn't comes with the cert too (according to the fella, he had the cert but somehow lost it). i got my girl from the breeder and she comes with the cert.

at the beggining, i was quite concern about this and tried all the way to track out his background and hoping to get him the cert again. unfortunately he is born before the microchipping system is introduced. so i failed. but after living with him for sometimes, he has become so attached to me and our relation (two dogs and i) gets so well that i don't really care about their "status" anymore. i don't have the intention to breed them too by the way. if i want to breed dogs, both the dam and sire must have cert so that the pups future will be more secure as when ppl r willing to pay more for a dog (as u know prices r different between a dog with cert and a dog without cert) shows that they really love them (i hope).


nathalie
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May 26, 2004, 3:17 AM

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been away for the whole week? then who jaga your zoo of ayam serama, fishes & dogs? Crazy muz be ur mum i guess...Tongue

dun worrylah..me so talkative..go any forum also sure will be alive wan..ask kesuke n see..betulkah? Blush

wah since u r travelling muz be tiredloh..better have a good rest..dun worry coz i think the next time u come back here..it'll be another page d..heheWink


mieliki
Dog Kichi


May 26, 2004, 11:49 AM

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Makrawl,

Thanks for the opinion.. You're probably right.. so as long as she's already a family member.. I guess it doesn't really matter if she's a Negro or an Asian.. (literally speaking).

I do hope to be able to do the normal activities with her.. just can't wait for her to finish up on her jabs..

Nathalie,

Well.. at least being an owl you still getta sleep around after 3am tops.. myself hardly get to sleep.. go back only have to serve my furmistress and attend to her needs.. my sleep time per day since I've gotten charmed by her has been shortened to approx less than 5 hours of sleep..

So.. where do you guys normally hangout or meet up for get-togethers?


makrawl
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May 26, 2004, 6:02 PM

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yeah, is my mother who does all the feeding and watering for me while i was away. sometimes i feel sorry to make her do so much things for me. fortunately i'm able to come home every weekend and i'll bath, clean, wash, do weeding etc my pets and plants.

by the way, i realised that everytime when the drought season comes, ticks will start attacking my dogs..... i suspect that it is because the drain in between my house and my neighbour's is dry out and those creepy crawlies comes over and...... i've sprayed the garden with some tick chemicals and bath them with bayticol too but those damn ticks seems to return endlessly untill the rain comes again. now i'm force to use the tick spray that i don't like to use it as i'm affraid that they may lick in the chemicals into their stomach. that's the delima to a dog owner, to use or not to use......... sigh...



Mak


nathalie
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May 26, 2004, 8:44 PM

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haha..everytime also mummy will take care wan..heheTongue me too, when i go holidays..am going KL this weekend..so my mumm pulak muz jaga all my babies..hehe. she will complain abitlah but after a while she'll be juz fine coz she love them as much as her kids Smile

yaloh..it's true..did u use bayticol the right way? a vet once told me it's better to bath your dogs first with shalpoo n leave bayticol on the body after bath for 5 minutes..then u can either rinse it off or leave on..i usually leave on n it's more effective tat way..spray..my personal opinion is tat it's not very lasting..lagi dangerous in case they lick it. my kids also lately kena fleas..tats worse..hmm..i muz sit down n catch it everyday..Unsure but if u use bayticol make sure dun use more than the prescribed 3.5ml-5ml of else it's dangerous for ur kids too..the poison will absorb thru the body thus making them weak or vomit..

good luck in your tick combatings ya Smile


nathalie
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May 26, 2004, 8:53 PM

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Smilehehe..

not for now till next week..coz sitting for exams where got time to sleep after 3am? surelah muz study till morning...then as soon as friday pass..i'll be in KL d..do u think i can sleep? i'll be zombie cum panda..Tongue

u can't do tat, coz eventually u'll get tired n lethergy when u go work/school..better take a nite sleep. remember that u are the owner n she's the dog. she has to follow your lifestyle not u follow hers...this does not mean u don't love her but u need her to undersatnd that she cannot be over pampered in this tender age or else u'll spoil her..so go to sleep..dun look at her & stare at the pc anymore..try to sleep early n she'll do that too once u switched off the lights..Smile

u can keep an eye on the thread of Events & Calenders where they'll announce any gatherings...of course she has to complete all her jabs before she can join in..but ther's a trip to Malacca coming this July..u can check it out coz it sounds fun Smile


makrawl
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May 27, 2004, 12:22 AM

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hah?! really these chemicals absorb through the skin?? now i'm REALLY worry. usually i'll have half a bucket of water that added with 5ml of bayticol and "rinse" them well after the bathing is done and let them dry slowly. i admit that last week i lower down the dosage as i'm worry they might got poison instead of the ticks.

my lady, i tell u what.... it is better to get enough sleep coz if u don't ....... you'll look older than what u really r! scarry leh...... lots of ppl tends to eat a lot of stuff to keep young but they forget the most fundamental and important thing- SLEEPING. sleep for at least 7-8 hours (if u can) and u'll feel different in no time. really! of course, don't take me as an example as i'm lack of sleep and looks very "aged" now. and drink lots of water


makrawl
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May 27, 2004, 12:43 AM

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actually it is better to take a look at the sire and dam before u purchase any pups. i know sometimes they r just too cute that makes u forget anything. but to make sure that you r going to have a healthy dog that doesn't have any heritable problem...... then u must calm yourself down and find out whatever that is necessary. and once the dog is into the family, no matter what happen to the dog, we, as their owner MUST not leave them no matter what! recently my friend married to Singapore and she is going to bring her shi tzu mix (about 5-6 yo) there too! i totally support her decision.


nathalie
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May 27, 2004, 3:28 AM

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actually once i put a lil thicker of mixture for teddy, a few hours after that he started vomitting and feeling lethergy..he did not drink coz i was very careful with him. later i brought him to the vet, he said that the measurement is quite important..so 5ml with 5 litres of water make sure it's 5 litres of water or else it'll absorb into the body and is harmful to your dogs.

if u do the tick bath weekly u'll realise that your dog's hair will be drier and more coarse..not so shiny anymore..tats why it should not be done weekly..if u have to do it weekly, try to use conditioner or else ur doggies hair sure become non shiny n dry.

ermm..i get enought sleep coz i wake up at 1 or 2 pm daily eventhough i sleep at 5am..juz after exams then i'll be a normal human being again. my mum always complain that i'm a vampire coz my sleeping time's different from a human being. hello, i also look very aged mah..look like aunty d..Frown ..got dun worry got sleep wan..but never eat nutritional foodloh coz my mum dunno how to cook all those herbs n things like tat..i do drink alot of water...drink at least 4 litres of water a day Smile

hello, ask me to sleep early..u also sleep earlylah..after work means hit the sacklah..not that u have exams of stuffs like that..dogs juz take them for a walk n feed them..after that go rest n u'll look young again..hehe..see told u d the next time u come back it's the 4th page d..heheTongue


mieliki
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May 27, 2004, 9:47 AM

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Thank god I've not let her out of the house yet.. The tick problems you all mention here is freaky le..Unsure

Oh well.. happy happy.. she will make noise whenever I shut off the lights.. So now everyday when I leave the place, have to make sure the aircond, lights and radio is on. Otherwise she'll show me her temper and bite me all over when I come back..

I still have some scars to show.. Unimpressed

Anybody willing to give me some lessons on how to boss my furmistress around?Tongue


nathalie
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May 27, 2004, 11:42 AM

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ermm..at the moment better keep her indoorslah..coz ticks can cause tick fever which is quite dangerous for pups even adults. since ur babt's immune system's still low..better keep him indoors and of course away from other dogs

wah..now u officially belong to her d, u r mieliki's 'dog'..hehe. welcome to the world of furslave..where all of us are slaves to our dogs. but your's extreme caselah..muz on radio & lights plus air cond lagi..wow pampered nya Angelic

what about buying some toys for her? or some rawhides to keep her busy? Crazy or whatever she likes to play like rope toys n plastic bottles?

wah..not bossy enufkah ur dog? still wan to make her happy & pamper her ah? later u susahlah if u over pamper her..u won't be going holidays peacefully coz worrying over her 24/7 Smile


mieliki
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May 27, 2004, 1:19 PM

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well.. she likes to chew on newspapers that I've put on the floor and later have me find all the pieces of chewed newspaper all over the place. Besides that, she'd just love the idea of jumping at me and start her biting.

Radio, lights and air-cond is a must to stop her from become hot. The fan can't seem to cool her down. And when she's hot.. she'll like to be unpredictable.. wee-wee and poo-poo everywhere & dragging papers and playing with poo-poo.. Frown

now itself also can't go out for more than 3 hours without coming back to check on her liao.. where dare to even think of going holiday le? I'm afraid my furmistress might bring the whole roof down if I'm away for more than 3 hours.. Wanna go watch Troy also have to think of how to smuggle her into the cinema. *sigh*

Mieliki

Forever the slave to Gucci the Glutton


makrawl
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May 27, 2004, 7:10 PM

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yeah, the chemical will make their fur dry and besides, i don't like the smell too. it's like soaking your dog into the diesel tank. this morning i found another two ticks on Goldy's head and i've decide to THROW that bottle of chemical spray away since it does not work. actually it scares me when i read the lable. do u know that we catergories our registered poisons into 5 groups? from 1a, 1b, 2, 3 and 4. and our aerosol spray, tick poison is catergorise under class 4. but when i read the instructions, they'll ask u to wear gloves when using it (for some chemical, that include some tick poison as i remember) sounds very scarry. as i said..... to USE........or NOT to USE....... that's really hard to decide.

u know, actually i'm the kind of very "jeen gark" (cantonese) ppl. when weekend comes, my body will tell me that "it's time to get some good rest" but later my mind will tell me "hey! it's weekend and u have two days off, so keep awake and have some fun activities" and i'll go to bed very late like about 2-3 am and wake up at 8-9am (my "biology" clock is set to wake up at this time, no alarm clock is needed). and ended up even worse on Monday.

oh my... siddenly i miss the assam laksa at Jalan Penang near Komtar...... HELP! i really miss the food!


nathalie
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May 27, 2004, 7:30 PM

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yup..sueddenly realised that bayticol poisonous kan? me too tats why i dun do it..juz once or twice a mth. scary also coz after u soak them your hand feels 'hot' as though the chemical's burning your hands..worse still if u have bruises & cuts. 2 ticks oni..u catchlah..coz cathing will really reduce it..last time i catch everyday till no more ticks n no i'm doing the same to the fleas but of course it's hard coz they jump..but still trying my best

wah 'jeen gark' , is tat how u label yourself? me hmm..hope that weekend comes get to sleep late also but usually won't coz used to waking up at 10am..sometimes i still sleep till 2pm..like nowadays when i'm having exams but i'll feel lazy..so muz wake up early to study..Frown

wah..u consider 2-3am late? what do u do tat time? i normally sleep after 3am..like u said biological clock..heheTongue

what u want me to do about the assam laksa? wan me to bring from Pg to u? coz i'm coming this weekend?Crazy


nathalie
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May 27, 2004, 7:36 PM

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oh her name's Gucci? no wonderlah u treat her like a Gucci bag also Smile

wah, she sounds like very destructive..ever thought of sending her to OB class after she completed her vaccinations? it's good to at least discipline her plus u can spend more quality time with with her too.

she pee & poo when u dun on all those things? scaryleh..makes her sound like she's a monster or what. cannot go out for more than 3 hours? are u working or studying? then how? bring her along to work/college? Crazy

after u & ur gf have her, definitely less time for both of u to 'pak toh' d..sad, but it's good that both of u so sayangkan her..she muz be very bahagia Smile


makrawl
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May 27, 2004, 7:45 PM

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puppys or dogs, when they r left alone, the might behave very different from what they usually r. my dogs r acting like that. if they r left alone, my dearie Goldy will pee at the wrong place and beauty will dig the garden. but recently i give them beefhides and that keeps them busy and things improve. tearing papers or whatever is normal. pups r pups, they r a bit naughty sometimes. so since she chews on the papers, just remove it.

as for the jumping and biting, it is better to use the positive training method to train her about what is a good behaviour and what is a "no no". for my case, they like to jump on me too. so what i do is, i'll order them to sit down (before this, make sure she know the command of SIT) quietly and i'll pet, praise or give them some treats. ignore them when they jump on u and walk away. soon they'll realise that by jumping to me, they don't get what they r expecting (pat, praise or treats) so now, they just sit down and wait instead of jumping like mad. but remember, GIVES COMMAND ONLY ONCE. don't act like my cousin. when he wants his dog to sit, he'll shouted "SIT! SIT! SIT!........." for infinity times. that's so NOISY. i give command once (it works most of the time) and in a low and soft tone coz i hate shouting. well, i think it's time for u to buy some quality books to read on the good training methods.


makrawl
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May 27, 2004, 8:05 PM

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i like to watch the discovery channel, animal planet and National geographic channel during that time. coz after everyone goes to bed, the TV WILL BE MINE....ALL MINE..... HAHAHAHAHA....... (sounds evil.......). and i like to listen to my jazz collection at late night as it is quiet. maybe some reading as well. nathalie, i've passed the teenage period loh.... old ppl have less energy to stay awake till morning loh. old man sleeps earlier.

WAH! u wanna "DA BAO" assam laksa for me kah? thanks but don't want to trouble u lah. my family is going to Penang this weekend too! maybe i'll ask them to bring it back. i tell u besides this assam laksa, i also miss the "Chee Cheong Fan" with prawn paste very BADLY. taste soooooooooooooo good! my god... i'm damn hungry now. I WANT MY LUNCH! (monster characters shows..........)


mieliki
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May 28, 2004, 9:37 AM

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MAkrawl & Nathalie,

Well, she's not all that bad.. I did consider sending her for OB classes, but have no idea where to get any. MKA seems to be asking that we join as member before we can attend their classes. All I want is just the training *sigh* Any recommendations?

Let's see.. never considered her a destructive monster.. just a puppy with her devil horns hidden. Tongue Still waiting for her jabs to complete then will bring out to sociallise more often and then attend OB classes when and if I can find any.

I'm working at the moment. Thankfully my workplace's just 5 mins walk to/from home. So during breaktime, I'd walk back and check on her. So far today she surprised me with her unusually quiet mood. Maybe she can sense her bathday later today and vet visit tomorrow.. lovely..


kesuke
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May 28, 2004, 10:46 PM

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ah goody goody....welcome any photos!! Cool

i read that you're combating ticks and fleas huh? i really detest them..is there any 'miracle drug' or something like that that can kill them all?? MadMad and you keep both your dogs indoors right? how do you keep them tick/flea-free??

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nathalie
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May 29, 2004, 3:52 AM

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wah..homely man who likes to sit at home & watch TV during weekends...hmmm..tot guys like this extinct already..Tongue fighting over TV? i fight over PC..so same caselah..but i dun generally fight for TV coz we have 3 TVs at home..no one want to watch also..the TV in my room like berkarat d..heheWink

listen to jazz? wow so relaxing & soothing, so not nathalie..hehe..my nites are soent either online or catching my dog's fleas, ticks or grooming them..that explains why my dog's paw pad has no hairs & their nails are short..heheLaugh


makrawl
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Jun 3, 2004, 7:31 PM

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congratulations as u've found a live fossil then! Laugh

so how was your trip to KL?

too bad, as my mother didn't bring back the shrimp paste "chee cheong fun" from Penang to me.Frown

i don't know, actually i was also not into jazz last time. i listen to alternative all the time like radiohead, Tori Amos, Bjork etc. after sometime someone introduce the jazz and Bossa Nova really drive me crazy and i'm stick to it until now. actually i also listen to chinese orchestra music and classic too. sorry to say that buut i hate pop songs as all the songs r so "familiar". and the lyrics r so similar.


makrawl
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Jun 3, 2004, 7:37 PM

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well, actually my dog r not allow to enter the house as there's already a tigress staying in the house. she's my mother.Laugh ECS sheds a lot and she even complained to me that the fur enters the house when wind blows, u think i can get them in? i don't think so.

r u busy? didn't see you for quite sometime here. me? as usuall. busy and tired.


makrawl
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Jun 3, 2004, 7:41 PM

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oh, so your dog's name is Gucci? hope u didn't use her as a HAND BAG!


kesuke
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Jun 3, 2004, 8:16 PM

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hahaah...you say your mom's a tigress!!! eheheh....LaughSly oh ECS sheds alot..well...okie then, it's hard to get them in. that's another prob with my mom too. the hair of the doggies all over the house if we keep them indoors. so my poor doggies have to be outside..Unsure not that i have any right now..

i'm quite alright..not really busy. you seem to be tired most of the time. do take good care of yourself. and i read from your replies to nat that you're a homely guy huh? well that's really something! ehehhe...and i thot most guys like to hang out and lepak during weekends...SlyTongue

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makrawl
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Jun 4, 2004, 2:11 AM

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...and i thot most guys like to hang out and lepak during weekends...SlyTongue

ok let me correct this quote, "actually most RICH guys like to hang out and lepak during weekends" not poor man like me. who nearly got nothing to feed myself. so have to stay home and ikat perut loh...


nooning
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Jun 4, 2004, 5:08 PM

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hi Mak, can kacau ur thread tak? Wink

i'm here cos i hope 2 learn more bout cocker spaniel fm u. I've done some research on d American n English breed but still a lot of Q in my mind.

k, here it goes:

1. ACS has longer coat than ECS? true???

2. Does both share d same body structure n outlook just that their coat is different? like golden ret n lab.

3. Does both shed as much? even more than lab that sheds whole yr loooooooooong Unsure

4. which 1 of ACS n ECS is more common n easily found in Msia? R they around d same price?

5. r their temperament same???

errrrrr.......i should hav more Qs than that but i can only think of so much now. Mayb i can ask u later?
thx in advance 4 answering my doubts. Smile

O ya, d LOTR trilogy is out, advertised in The Star 2day. Dun feel outdated or ulu that u haven't watch all 3 cos.......u've got another ulu 1 here.....meCrazy


kesuke
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Jun 4, 2004, 7:11 PM

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hahaha...don say until you are so pathetic yourself la....ehhehe... actually don have to be rich to hang out mah..like at the mamak stall..you can chat till the wee hours with your friends and don have to spend alot right? Wink

so watched any new movies lately? Cool

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kesuke
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Jun 4, 2004, 7:11 PM

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ooii ning!!!

you wanna get a CS??? Shocked

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nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 5, 2004, 3:36 AM

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ya kesuke san, happy 2 c u here Laugh

haha~~, nolar, according 2 my bk acc, if i get a CS, i'll hav 2 eat grass till.........dunno when Crazy

envy u la, can get 'kwai lou' husky during ur studies in US. Lately me collect HK dogs magazine, aiseh man, their dogs r soooooooooo beautiful (but very xpen too Unimpressed). CS, westies, GR, GSD etc etc, c until i droooool....Crazy

Very much attracted 2 CS due 2 their frenly n gentle look. Somemore their coat is so shiny n curly. Simply beautiful n elegant. 2 me, they look just like a Q little gal wit curly hair tie 2 both side Angelic


nathalie
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Jun 6, 2004, 1:07 PM

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haha,

i juz came back todaylah...week long holiday..sayang to balik also..see so many things n many familiar faces.

i'm also a dino...tat day went out wif some puppy.com members for a drink, regardless to saylah they all drink but i drank juice n everyone's laughing at me Blush

then what did ur mum brought back for u? i suffered for the past week due to the food...almost died. Frown

ah get hwat do u meanlah...haiyoh say till so kesian tat u have to ikat perut die to ur dogs...tot i like tat nia..never knew u also woh. hehe..actually u r juz being humble nia..we all also knowlah...

ooh..i like inspirational musics..love sarah brightman & enya...once in a while charlotte church..not particular..but any musics as long as not metal music's juz fine Smile


nathalie
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Jun 6, 2004, 1:20 PM

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ning,

let me help u a bitlah..wif my knowledge huh..sorry;ah quite limited....

1. ACS has longer coat than ECS? true???

ACS normally have curly coat...very tight curls..so when u comb it straight it tend to look longer while ECS's hair normally wavy & not so curly..only part if their body's hair is long eg, hind l;egs, below the tummy area..with fringes on the legs & hands

2. Does both share d same body structure n outlook just that their coat is different? like golden ret n lab.

not entirely true coz in terms of height, ECS is taller..n comparatively ECS looks more muscular while ACS's compact & body's shorter n lower compared to ECS. in addition ACS has a shorter muzzle while ECS has longer skull & muzzle

3. Does both shed as much? even more than lab that sheds whole yr loooooooooong Unsure

generally CS do shed but the hair's normally not so fine like lab's hair...usually for long haired dogs they shed 2 times a year. with proper grooming however they'll shed less.

4. which 1 of ACS n ECS is more common n easily found in Msia? R they around d same price?

Nowadays CS regardless of ECS or ACS is a growing trend in M'sia. the market for ECS w/out cert is big n usually ECS wit or w/out cert's price is lower than an ACS. As for ACS, lately there are quite a number in KL..ACS costs more generally coz a pure breed ACS with cert is rarer compared to ECS.

5. r their temperament same???

Temperament wise almost the same but with ACS u require more grooming due to the curly hair which easily gets tangled.


hope it helpsSmile


nooning
K9 Kaki


Jun 6, 2004, 7:01 PM

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aiseh nathalie, wat in d world r u doin online 5am in d morning Shocked? u tak payah tidur 1 ke?

Gosh, n u say u've got limited knowledge bout CS Shocked. That's very very detailed liaw lor, thx 4 answering my Qs Smile. It's very helpful. Smile

i've done some research on CS in d net plus some doggie books, but still CrazyCrazyCrazy bout d difference btwn both ACS n ECS. hehe.....now i'm quite sure wat i wan is a ECS, not ACS which is more poodle like. But ar.........$$$ is a issue......duh.....Unsure.

yesterday i called a breeder who claims 2 hav both ACS n ECS puppies. ACS is indeed more pricey n she says ACS is more quiet than ECS, mayb she's tryin 2 push ACS 2 me, dunno whether should blif her or not.......

How's ur KL trip? apa lu beli leh?


kesuke
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Jun 6, 2004, 11:50 PM

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ahaha....eat grass!! not just you to eat grass...if i'm gonna get a husky and a GR..i'm gonna eat grass as well....hehehehe.....LaughSlyCrazy

eh..all dogs in magazines are very beautiful one la...hahahaha....just like models..get all the makeup and computer touch up..sure look perfect la! SlyTongue

hehehe....so you want long haired dog to tie their hair is it?? TongueTongue

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nooning
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Jun 7, 2004, 5:20 AM

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haha~~~, eat grass better than eat air or sand ma, more filling, nutritious n i might b able 2 discover d cure 4 cancer or AIDS by tryin out all d "herbs", then i 'fat tat' lor, muahahaha...........*keep on dreaming of gettin rich due 2 pocket too kosong * Laugh

talkin bout eat sand.....dat day read an article:
A kind soul took in a skinny mangy stray dog. When d dog poo d 1st time after he adopted it, all SAND inside!!! D dog had been feeding on sand 2 survive all these while!!! Damn sad hor? Unsure

Now, d dog is a happy n healthy fella wit a beautiful coat, completely different 2 wat it had been b4 it was adopted. When i look in d pics 'b4 n after', really amazed by d power of TLC. Cheers 2 dat guy who took d dog in n oso d lucky dog. Cool

aiks, doggie pics oso comp touch up Shocked, ya oso hor, nowadays really canggih.

Reminds me of those wedding pics, u know when u receive d invitation card wit d couple's pic in front, d pic is soooo touched up dat when u attend d dinner n c d real person, u'll suspect whether u'r in d right wedding or not cos looks like 2 completely different couple, d pic n d 'real thing' Laugh

nolar, i think ECS hair is too short 2 tie, but......when it makan n d ears kena d food.....i can tie d ears 2gether on top of its head n make it look like a bunny, hehehe~~~~Sly. haiya, belum got ECS oledi got evil ideas......


makrawl
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Jun 7, 2004, 6:00 PM

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u know what? i never really enjoy sitting at mamak store. why? coz there's lots of MOSZIES under the table and sting me like mad. instead of drinking at mamak, it turn out to be i'm being "drinked" by moszies.

usually i'll prefer to visit someone and gather in somebody's house. sitting comfortably at the living room with fan, drinks, TV, food etc is really relaxing.

new movies? the last time i went into the cinema was beggining of last year. er......


makrawl
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Jun 7, 2004, 6:42 PM

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well, i think nathalie had answer most of your Qs here. but just to let u know that actually ACS and ECS share the same ancestors. ECS was brought to US and they breed them according to what they prefer and slowly this group of CS differ out from what their cousins look like at Europe. and they finnaly put in another group and seperate out from ECS at the 1940s.

so, it is not surprise that they r very similar both in appearance and temperament. but i keep ECS coz they r more easy to get, coat is shorter (less trimming), and they r CHEAPER too. be prepare as CS have drooping ears and u really need to clean the ears more frequent as compare to other dogs. they also need lots of space to strecth their legs. they really enjoy running and they also VERY EAGER to join in any activities and company (especially from u). they r compact but very tough and active. lots of ppl got " fool" by looking to their "pity" eyes (coz by loose skin) and thought they r quiet and later they regret as CSs r TOO energetic! i have two and with only 12 kg, they nearly knock me down when they didn't see me and bashed on my leg while running. temperament is extremely good but make sure u have enough activities to keep them busy or else they'll over turn your house. sufficient excercise is necessary as when a CS has too much energy at the end of the day, they might give u trouble.

i think u better get a book and learn the standard of the dog before purchasing any dog. see the sire and dam too if u can.

hope these helps and enjoy the lovely life with ECS later.


nooning
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Jun 7, 2004, 11:04 PM

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ooo, looks like lab & GR along wit ECS n ACS does hav lot's of similarity. Share same ancestors n very similar both in appearance and temperament.

wow, that's pretty unxpected, i nvr tot ECS r as boisterious as lab. ECS is indeed more active than ACS then? It's ok 2 me anyhow, if i can manage 2 bring my 35kg big buffolo 4 walks everyday, a ECS around 10kg shouldn't b a problem.

mind tellin me around how much u paid 4 each of ur dogs? r they siblings?

O, last Q, is it really necessary 2 trim ECS? will its coat go out of shape if i dun bring it 2 d groomer?


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makrawl
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Jun 8, 2004, 12:56 AM

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i can't tell which is more active between them coz i never had an ACS before but one thing for sure, they r GUNDOG and it means they r hunters and they r good at it. so they have "endless" energy.

Goldy was given to me for free by someone. he said he bought him for rm1200. Beauty came from a breeder and i paid 800 for her.

it is always better to trim their fur. actually not much to be trimed. just the excessive hairs on the ears, head, legs only. i do it myself. the ears r important as i trim the fur so that it improve air circulation of the ears to prevent any infection. they won't look terrible is u don't trim them but it is worth to do so as everytime after grooming, my dogs will look SO "ADORABLE" to me.


nooning
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Jun 8, 2004, 6:38 AM

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Not forgeting GORGEOUS, SMART, BEAUTIFUL, SLEEK, ELEGANT.........d list goes on Cool


nathalie
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Jun 8, 2004, 7:02 AM

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me ah..juz came back at 10pm...so cannot sleep..tats why mailing u at 5amloh..hehe. have to tidurleh..think i super woman kah? Tongue

nolah tats considered limited..if it's a breed i really study then i can tell u whatever u wan to know ...Wink glad that it's helpful for u...planning to get one Cs?

actually u should not let factors like what the breeders pushing to influence u coz eventually the dog's gonna be yours n not theirs...it's your choice..think u know all thisloh coz u r a dog owner kan?

my kl trip ah? very tiringloh...am still sick..since saturday nite. having slight fever & sore throat...drink coffeee everynite & tidur at 4-5am....then shop for 7 days straight..tats why fall sick Frown hmmm paiseh coz din manage to meet u..nvmlah..it's gonna be a matter of time b4 i'll b in KL again Smile


nooning
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Jun 8, 2004, 7:32 AM

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Yeah, would LOVE 2 get a ECS, c how it goes. Still got some research 2 go like responsible ECS breeders wit affordable price, difference btwn keeping a lab n a ECS.....etc etc

aiseh man........"drink coffeee everynite & tidur at 4-5am....then shop for 7 days straight."
n u say u'r not superwoman ar?CrazyShockedUnimpressed hehehe.......
u shopping kat mana?

aiya, wat paiseh la, as wat u said, it's gonna be a matter of time b4 u'll b in KL again ma. Sure got chance 1 la. Wink


daniel
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Jun 8, 2004, 10:03 AM

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sorry for the intrusion, but i would like to pen down some info on these 2 beautiful breeds. the English Cocker Spaniel and the Cocker Spaniel (they dont actually carry the name AMERICAN Cocker Spaniel anymore. just plain simple Cocker Spaniel)

The Cocker Spaniel was recognized in America in 1846 and while the larger countrpart English Cocker Spaniel was only recognized in 1946 thats technically more than a century. But England recognized the ECS in the year 1892 and the CS in year 1893. so basically the americans would say the CS is better and the Englishmen would say that the ECS is better. no ending debate to this and i dun wanna go there.

One of the oldest types of land spaniel known, the Cocker Spaniel descended from the original spaniels of Spain. but back the the sizes varried too much. there were known facts that the CS and the ECS were shown together in the same category. due to personal interest it was at the mention dates that they were separated. the americans always wanted superiority so that is why the early date that the so calleed ACS was recognized as a pure breed and the ECS was much later.

generally both these dogs share the same coloration and character traits. Size alone was the main dividing factor between them.

the CS will be about 10kg while the ECS tips the scale at 14kg (weights are based on male dogs and only a guideline) Both dogs were cultivated for different usage. the CS being smaller made good retrieving around compact bushes while retreiving woodcock. the CS was used more for flushing out woodcocks and retreiving them once the prey is shot down. they readily take to water and do retreive woodcock from water as well.

the ECS on the other hand does better on uphill terrain and open vast land as they could cover more ground faster. this is the brief history on these two breeds.

As household pets...... they are both great. i have more detailed write ups on their history but sorry to malas to type.

my dua sen..

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nathalie
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Jun 8, 2004, 10:29 AM

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even if it's me i prefer ECSloh....so much easier to maintain..however in both cases...their high activity's somehwat similiar. both also gun dogs mah, so sure very hyper wan...it's inevitable. hmmm..do some research especially if u are buying one without cert to ensure it's sire & dam are pure...it should not cost u more than 1.5k even if it's with cert...unless again if it's some champion or showline...

noloh, juz entertain loh coz most of the ppl i met up also puppy.com frensmah. however iut's my habit to sleep late..except now that i'm ill.

shop near where i live oniloh..1 utama most frequented...3-4 times , ikano 2 times MV once but almost 10 hours shopping there..hehe. some more the flea market in mont. kiaraloh..they have lots of very nice accessories there..Smile

yaloh too addicted to KL d, still can't get over the glamourous outings in KL...hmmm...even saw the cleo's most eligible bachelor Roshan Nijar.....hmmm....sure will be back wan..heheTongue


nooning
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Jun 8, 2004, 5:49 PM

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thx 4 all d info, i appreciate all d inputs fm every1 n ur advices definately worth more than 2cents Wink

i assume u own cockers then? mind introducing ur furkids? Smile


nooning
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Jun 8, 2004, 6:02 PM

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10 hrs of shopping !!! CrazyShocked
haha~~~, wat else can i say leh? hehehe~~~puifok puifok Laugh

ya, u'r addicted alrite, cham lor u, hehehe~~~Tongue

u panai enjoy juga, makan kat pg but shopping kat KL, well, life should b dat way, hakuna matata Cool


makrawl
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Jun 8, 2004, 7:35 PM

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wow....... u really take the effort to list down one by one.... just bought books to learn about the breed but never really do any comparisons between these 2 breeds. i think u r good in writting thesis too. science field need someone with a brain like u.

by the way, u own CS too?


makrawl
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Jun 8, 2004, 7:40 PM

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maybe i'm just admiring my own trimming scale.Blush

by the way, that's a sleeping dog? or a slipper dog? or IS THAT A DOG on that photo?

if u r busy ppl that have no time to trim, maybe u can try on Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I LOVE THEM but my "wallet hates" them. CKCS only need trimming at the pads only! my, so easy.


makrawl
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Jun 8, 2004, 7:47 PM

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haha, u also fall sick after a tough trip. SHOPPING MALL is like battle field. and u have to FIGHT for discount items, FOODS etc. and you have limited "bullets". really have to use "sniper" to shoot what u want, not M 16. so very shiok lah after hanging here for few days? i bet u do.


kesuke
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Jun 8, 2004, 10:14 PM

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hahaha..."nooning's theory on staying healty".....ehhehehehe.....LaughSlyLaugh

eh what?! dog eating sand and shitting sand also?? that is so pathetic!! really? Pirate but am glad that the dog met a kind soul and is in good hands now..

hahaha...exactly!! wedding pictures mah..once in a lifetime wor..sure must be beautiful la...and totally diff from the real person hor...the power of makeup and com graphics....ehhehehe.....Sly

hahaha..you and your evil ideas!! eheheh....SlyTongue then what will you do to the featherings on the legs ah?? ehhehehe.....

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kesuke
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Jun 8, 2004, 10:19 PM

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hahaha...mozzies...well now that you mentioned it, i don think i've ever been 'visited' by mozzies at mamak stalls...maybe it's coz it's in the middle of the night?? Shocked

but yeah..gathering at a friend's house is nice too coz you are comfy, have TV, have fan..Angelic hmm..now when is the last time i did that?? Unimpressed

hahaha...wei, must find time to unwind yourself...time to catch some nice movies now...Cool

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nooning
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Jun 9, 2004, 5:37 AM

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nah.....u should b proud of ur dogs, they r ur babies anyway. I'm always proud of my dog, will always accept all d compliments, hehehe~~, a gd example of beh paiseh ness. Blush

a slipper dog? kakkakakaka~~~~Laugh
nope, u'r all wrong, it's a evil slipper dat just swollowed a puppy Sly
it's a puppy havin a cosy snooze in a slipper la, got dis pic fm a 4warded mail.

if i'm TOO BZ, i won't b gettin a 2nd dog lor, won't b fair 2 d little fella. Nah, oledi made up my mind, it's gonna b a ECS, can't help it, oledi fell head over heels over them. Blush


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nooning
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Jun 9, 2004, 5:52 AM

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if d pic doesn't look like d real person then wat's d point ar???Crazy makes me wonder out loud Unimpressed

featherings ar? u wait ar, will tell u wat i'll do when my inspiration comes. nyak nyak nyak Sly


nathalie
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Jun 9, 2004, 7:00 AM

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dun puifuk me coz there are more 'superwoman' in puppy.com..hint hint...amylah..heheTongue

ermm..even in pg also i can shop like like that but mall hopping from one mall to another...can complete 3 malls in a day..heheWink

nolah went kl din eat well for the whole week...coz i tak bolh telan..din feel hungray also...juz drank coffeeloh..n some fastfood. tak boleh makan kenyang mah. hmmm...u should come penang makan alsolah..hehe..actually kl shopping's almost the ame with pglah..so the things also alnost the same loh. Smile


nooning
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Jun 9, 2004, 7:11 PM

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aiseh man, u n amy darn funny la, keep on pushing 2 each other d shopping queen crown LaughLaugh.


nathalie
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Jun 9, 2004, 9:11 PM

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think i fell sick coz i drink lil water..usually drink 4 litres of water daily but last week drank 3 mugs daily nia..plus my body's very exhousted..had been an exam battle n din sleep for 72 hours straight before i left for KL..sampai Kl pulak sleep barely 10 hours aday..now u understand why am i sick? BlushFrown

din go "BATTLE FIELD' lah..i dun go snatching n fighting things with those ganas woman...i din buy much also coz i din see lots of things i like. definitely din fight for food..heheLaugh say until i like went to some rifle club..ganas nyer..next time no one dare to see nat anymore..not enuf bullet ada credit cards mah..heheTongue

yup had a great but tiring trip..everyone i see was very welcoming n nice to me Smile


nathalie
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Jun 9, 2004, 9:17 PM

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nolah..if u join us also u can jadi part of the shopping syndromme...i oni cannot tahan looking at those shoes..besides that i'm ok. Smile


kesuke
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Jun 9, 2004, 9:27 PM

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hmm...i am not sure either..Unimpressed guess ppl just want to look beautiful loh..coz it's not everyday you look that gorgeous right? Tongue

hhahaha....so funny!!! ehhehee....you might as well keep a shih tzu or maltese so can tie their hair...hehehehee.....LaughSlyAngelic

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nooning
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:22 PM

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aiks, small breed long haired dogs? noooo, cannot, max sooooo clumsy n always jumping around, he stomp on d poor thing then habis lor, d baby sure cry 1 Frown


kesuke
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:26 PM

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ahhaha...won't la..see nat's tyrus din penyek teddy yet mah...so we know your max won't stomp on the small breed long haired..heheheheh....LaughSly

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nooning
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Jun 9, 2004, 10:58 PM

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hahaha~~~~, mayb i'm not a small breed person la, too used 2 big breeds liaw. Now....only ECS in my mind, hehe~~~Cool


kesuke
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Jun 9, 2004, 11:25 PM

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ahahha...same here. me loves big dogs..the bigger the better..ahhaha....TongueSly

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daniel
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Jun 10, 2004, 4:31 AM

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i have own both breeds before. my research was not for the sake of comparison but i was just curious about their orign thats all. My personal experience is both the breeds are similar in character and traits. the difference i find is the CS is more energetic and harder to train as compared to the ECS. In othe words they are naughtier. but that is just based on a few dogs so i think it should not be a base or fact at all.

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daniel
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Jun 10, 2004, 4:36 AM

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Yes i have 2 CS at the moment. The boy is 4 years old and the girl is 3 years old. The reason why i went with CS is because I have a small home and i love spaniels so they were my only option. (toy breeds are not my cup of tea)

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nathalie
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Jun 11, 2004, 12:15 PM

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hello..heard ppl mentioning my dogs wor...Angelic

not yet penyek coz she'll kena ass spanking if she misbehaves or she hurt teddy..she's very rough but we r teching her manners on how to be a gentle woman..not a unleashed bullLaugh

actually accidents do happen..sometimes she din see teddy she'll juz step on teddy n there he starts crying..she dun care wan..if she wan 2 move she'll juz walk..dun care if u dun give her a way or not.

but it's interesting to have 2 breeds esp diffrent size at home..it's kinda cute to see their different bahaviours Smile


kesuke
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Jun 11, 2004, 7:15 PM

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ehhehe....feel proud or not somebody mention your doggies....ehehehe.....TongueTongue

haahha...well it certainly is interesting from the way you decribe the behavior of tyrus and teddy....heehheeh....SlyLaugh i thot mostly the smaller dog will be more vocal...you know, like to 'announce' that 'i'm here! don step on me!'....hehehe.....Sly

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nathalie
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Jun 11, 2004, 8:48 PM

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not proud wor...but a bit embarrassed coz u all are making fun of them wor..nolah..jk niaTongue

nolah teddy's actually very quite though ver dominant but he's very very gentle..on the other hand itu bull rite is very rough n u should see her when she's going out for a walk..she'll pull n jump like an unleashed bull coz she's excited...that's when my cars, legs & teddy jadi victim till teddy will hide in the house till she gone out. Laugh


nooning
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Jun 12, 2004, 4:54 AM

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hahaha~~~,ur teddy n tyrus always lot's of funny n interesting stories 1, dat's y we can't help mentioning them Wink


nathalie
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Jun 14, 2004, 4:28 AM

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aiyoh...

ada ada saja excuse for gossiping..hahaTongue

wait till u see themlah..haha..then u'll laugh even more especially aunty dirt's alligator show Smile


nooning
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Jun 14, 2004, 7:44 PM

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Shocked huh?? alligator show?? Tyrus pegi buaya who?? or since when she jadi side kick of dat gila crocodile hunter?? hehehe~~~


nathalie
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Jun 14, 2004, 9:09 PM

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yaloh..very cute wan..everytime she's happy u tell her..'tyrus alligator show' n she'll lie down with her 4 legs on air n move like a buaya...move the backbody like scratching but it's not itchy..she juz wanna do that to gain our attention..then she'll bite also..hehe Tongue


makrawl
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Jun 18, 2004, 8:34 PM

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hey, long time no see. just came back from Genting highland. tired.

actually my goldy also like to do your "crocodile dance" everytime i let him out from the crate. he'll run for a while and start to "scratch" his back like what u said on the floor. looks very silly. i have a pic of him doing it with beauty at the photo gallery too.


nathalie
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Jun 18, 2004, 10:45 PM

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Smilehi,

wah syiok neyer ur life..always travelling here & there..not like me..after one trip dunno when only can replenish my pocket for another trip Frown u went for a holiday atau business trip?

haha..goldy is your male rite? yaloh look silly but she likes to do it..dunnow why also..sometimes while she's doing it she'll start barking & shouting..she'll do that on my bed early in the morning Laugh

how's ur dogs ticks? are they under control? still using bayticol?Crazy


makrawl
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Jun 19, 2004, 1:26 AM

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went to genting for international chinese orchestra competition. tired till nearly half dead. but worth it as my group is awarded "first class". Cool

the ticks is still there but not as serious as days ago. i still used the bayticol last week and hopefully that will be the last time for now.

actually all u need to do is plan your calender to have at least a trip on every year. of course, that will be more fun after u have started to earn your own money.

good day.


nathalie
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Jun 19, 2004, 4:39 AM

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ooh..the orchestra u have been talking about...Wink awarded first class..wah goodlah..at least your effort pays off kan? tired also tired but sweet success mah..no pain no gain kan?

hmm...glad to hear that ur dogs ticks are under control..i have checked out the gallery and saw ur adorable babeis, plants & even ur ayam seramas..wow..i din know those chicken were so pricy till i saw the price in Pets Wonderland. u muz jaga ur ayam baik baik or else ur neughbour will kidnap it or ur dogs might eat them..hahahaLaugh

haha..even when i'm not earning also i plan trip once a year hehe...if working means worselah...tat also i'm earning goodlah..or else makan sendirilah..it's good to have a break in life. somewhere serene & quiet rather than some hectic busy places..hmm..dreamlah at least got 2 more years lagi Frown


kesuke
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Jun 20, 2004, 11:45 PM

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hahaha....tyrus - typical labbie behavior right? they just love to pull. i think small dogs also same same la..just that they are small and don have much strength so we can pull them back.....hahahahaha......SlyLaugh

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nathalie
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Jun 29, 2004, 4:46 AM

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huh? i terlupa what were we talking bout d Angelic paiseh huh..never log in so long d Blush

how's your preparation of going to US? sudah siapkah? Crazy

passport & visa settle d? Smile


kesuke
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Jul 7, 2004, 5:35 AM

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ah no need paiseh. me also long time din log in...where is mak?? Shocked

sudah dapat my visa loh..my passport not yet expired so no worries there...so i guess almost siap d.. bought some winter clothes..maybe must bring some food also. but dunno what food to bring..UnimpressedSly

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nathalie
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Jul 12, 2004, 8:25 AM

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guess mak is away for a trip again Angelic

wah, so fast u r going d, bring what food ah? try to bring those spices ..those well prepared mixture where u can mix the meat only n cook wanloh..or else Knorr cubes and some milo & can foodloh but again u r allowe to carry 30kg oni kan? bring wat's necessaryloh..then the rest ask ur mum to send over to u loh thru ship..cheaper Smile


kesuke
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Jul 28, 2004, 7:18 AM

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ya alot of ppl told me to bring spices...but not like i am big fan of the spicesla... so thiking of what to bring.. i can bring 60kg actually..go US get bigger limit so if can then bring more la coz shipping also not cheap mah..UnsurePirate

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nathalie
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Jul 28, 2004, 12:22 PM

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u come back from spore d ah?Crazy

i want to seriously meet up with ulah...i'll be busy starting 1st august..so can u plz reply me n set a time to meet up? I desperately need to see u before u leavelah Tongue

klah but u can bring those prepack ingredients to cook foodloh..maggi has alot of them.Smile


kesuke
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Aug 13, 2004, 11:47 PM

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sorry gal...have not been logging on...Crazy

if we cannot meet i send u my pix wan or not? ehehehhe....Tongue

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nathalie
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Aug 14, 2004, 12:49 AM

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Frownokloh..

if dun get to meet u just send me your pics to my email add..yongthres ..

anyway just want to wish you a safe journey and cepat cepat balik to form our canine parliament ok?Smile


kesuke
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Aug 20, 2004, 9:20 AM

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i mail u my pix later k? now don have my own com..

me in US d...everything's alright..adjusting to new life loh..and feeling homesick..FrownFrownFrown so sad la...

ya i also wan to cepat cepat balik...will be going back next summer break..
since when we got canine parliament???

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makrawl
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Aug 25, 2004, 1:37 AM

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HOLLA! it's been centuries ago since the last time i came back on the column to read the threads! how thing going on?! i think you ppl must be having lots of fun chatting and SHOPPING (Malaysia Grand Sale....) just finished performing in a concert last month and traveling (business trip) from Pahang. phew.... and still be busy till October..

i miss out lots of thing. one of it is the UPM open day for doggies... i wonder if anyone was there?


good day

Mak


makrawl
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Aug 25, 2004, 1:41 AM

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WOW... time flies..... u r at US now. well, remember to study hard (since your family has "invested" a big amount of capital on u and for the last few years of your education "schooling liife" , do your best) and play hard too! (since u r already there)

good day

Mak


kesuke
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Sep 3, 2004, 8:37 AM

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hey how are you?

long time no hear from you...hehe...sorry for my late reply..Tongue
yeah..big pressure to study hard..if not it'd be like wasting a whole load of money...Pirate it's already like my 3rd week here but i feel like i'm here for so long already la...Crazy

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paulynn
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Sep 7, 2004, 1:15 AM

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hey mak..

Just out of curiosity but what concert did u perform for?

Hi kesuke aka tze ping (that is, if istill remember ur name!) .miss u tons..how are u and how's the big us of a is treating ya? I'm leaving for me backpack trip tomo...woo hoo


makrawl
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Sep 7, 2004, 2:04 AM

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hi paulynn,

i'm one of the player from the Chinese Orchestra. i play er-hu and still joining various orchestras during their performance after my graduation from school coz i love it. hope i didn't make u yawn..... actually chinese orchestra is developing in another direction from the westerner's music industry where it is not familiar to our ppl. because of this, they tense to like having this feeling like "err..... it sounds kindoff old fashion....." but it's not if u really listen carefully. well, it's all about understanding. Smile

the most recent concert that i performed was the "Rythmn of Yue" at DBKL during July... if u've ever notice that from the papers.

maybe i'll talk more if u like to listen about it.

by the way, nice to *meet* u.

Mak


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makrawl
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Sep 7, 2004, 2:05 AM

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u'll get use to it really soon.

take care

Mak


paulynn
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Sep 7, 2004, 3:18 AM

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hey mak

No worries m8. I'm a music student myself so u've got hold of the right person to talk nuts about music .That's the reason why i asked u about the concert thing.That's a nice instrument. I hope to learn it someday as a surprise for my dad as he wants to see me play the er hu but ain't sure about the price and stuff and i'm already a little "westernized" so am not sure too haha.


makrawl
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Sep 7, 2004, 6:50 PM

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so what instrument u r playing?

er-hu is easy to learn IF u put enough effort on it. and the price is not expensive compare to piano. coz the range is from rm300 (anything below 300 is just wasting your money-no sound quality at all) till RMxxxxx is available. usually i'll get the range between RM1500 till RM2000. it's affortable and the quality is good as well. and i can recommend some good quality teacher to u if u r interested (only if u r staying in Klang Valley). i don't teach coz i have no time and i don't have patience with HUMAN (strange.... i have very good patience with my dogs.....) the next instrument that i would like to learn is..... "pi-pa" but still can't tear myself off from the job.


kesuke
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Sep 16, 2004, 10:59 AM

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hi hi!

sorry din see this post... but i guess it'd be a while before you can reply me anyway..ehhe..

going to auz now?? woo hoo!!!! finally your dream came true! take tons of pix ok? Cool

i'm fine here...US is okie..ppl are friendly and nice..guess it's coz i'm in the south.. ahh talk more when you come back! have fun~i know you will..hehe..

p/s i'm learning a bit french..keke..u can be my teacher!

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kesuke
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Sep 16, 2004, 10:59 AM

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thanks!Cool

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paulynn
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Sep 17, 2004, 1:37 AM

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hi hi

Noooo i didn't backpack to aus..too expensive...i backpacked to east coast wiht my friends from uk... :)

J'espere tout vas bien pour toi.


kesuke
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Sep 17, 2004, 7:50 AM

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hii..

oooh..i thot u at auz d...hehehe... so how was your trip?

aiya..i only started learning how to pronounce the alphabets....CrazyCrazy

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paulynn
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Sep 18, 2004, 12:01 AM

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aah...okay okay it was great thanks for asking.

So why'd u pick up french ? aah beh say deh ergh arfh jay....ash ee gee kay ... :)


kesuke
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Sep 19, 2004, 7:33 AM

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hehe..well just wanted to learn a new language.

am learning jap as well. =)

how do you pronounce 'e' and 'r' and 'y'? i'm getting my tongue twisted just pronouncing these 3!!Crazy

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paulynn
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Sep 19, 2004, 7:50 AM

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A-Aah
E-Erh
I-Ee
O-Oo
U-Think of "yu" in chiense for fish. then say "eu"
H-(h)ash
R- air
y-ee-grack? sorry dunno how to spell it. only know how to pronounce it !
wow jap too? I'm thinnig of l'espagnol apres le francais! :)


kesuke
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Sep 19, 2004, 7:54 AM

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hmm ok...somehow my instructor is pronouncing it very weirdly...CrazyCrazy

yep yap too. and maybe spanish next sem..ehhe.. spanish should be much easier to learn than french huh

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paulynn
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Sep 19, 2004, 7:57 AM

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sorry mate,just check in from my trip. Got back only on Monday 5.35am but was showing my brit mate around before he jets off to dubai-uk. Only got home (asin the HOME not the bachelorette's pad!) on wednesday...and u know..unpacking and all that!

Yeh i've been thinknig of getting one and "self teach" first since i've been learning music since i was young and wouldn't mind trying myself first then only get a prof to teach moi.

I play (accordingly mind you!!) the piano, violin, guitar (not prof but hey..), drums(still learning from my drummer and self) and self learning flute. Believe me i aint any good !


paulynn
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Sep 19, 2004, 8:09 AM

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oh nooo way...spanish and french are really really related ..never think that spanish's easier jsut because everyone says that! they're really similiar like "pour quoi-why" in french..in spanish its "pour qui" ....they're really related..that's why i thoguht that after french spanish WOULD be easy for me .

I've never once thought that learning any language would be easy because leraning new things in life are never easy :)


kesuke
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Sep 26, 2004, 6:44 AM

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oh i see...that's why it's easier for ppl who knows french to learn spanish and vice versa... ok thanks for clearing that up! =)

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paulynn
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Sep 26, 2004, 7:39 PM

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yeh yeh exactement !! Donc, aurevoir et j'espere tout vas bien pour toi!


TOPDOG
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Sep 26, 2004, 7:50 PM

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yeh yeh exactement !! Donc, aurevoir et j'espere tout vas bien pour toi!
what r u all talking about?

the only foreign language I know is ICHIBAN!

whenever I go to Penang for holiday and drinkingPenang Road's best Cendol stall, then if got Japanese tourists hor, I say ICHIBAN and point to my cendol bowl and those folks sure order the cendol one hahahahaha. Four times oredi and 100% success. Really gullible folks hehehehe but the cendol is really nice larrrrr TongueTongueTongueTongue
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paulynn
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Sep 28, 2004, 7:17 AM

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we're *speaking* in french ! :D


TOPDOG
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Sep 29, 2004, 4:36 AM

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make AMOUR! make AMOUR!

how's that? SlySly
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kesuke
Doggyman


Oct 6, 2004, 5:40 PM

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okk gawd...Crazy now i'll have to ask my french teacher what that means!!! CrazyCrazy

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kesuke
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Oct 6, 2004, 5:40 PM

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heh..so you like penang huh?

glad to know! Cool

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paulynn
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Oct 7, 2004, 4:53 AM

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hehe no worries.not to worry about it girl. and why no want respond to my msg at SCB club thread


kesuke
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Oct 17, 2004, 1:24 PM

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did u post something at the SCB thread???

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makrawl
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Oct 27, 2004, 9:33 PM

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after reading your post.... i suddenly have this statement in my head.... gee... the sea is "salty and wet" and u r soaking in it! Laugh AMOUR..... AMOUR..... AMOUR......


makrawl
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Oct 27, 2004, 9:35 PM

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hi.

well, i think it's better to get someone to learn the basic skills first then only u'll learn by yourself. coz if the basic is wrong... u'll find it hard to improve in future.


paulynn
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Oct 27, 2004, 10:44 PM

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dont mean to sound rude or anything but u're quite patronizing yourself and i never like people giving me advises that puts me off.. I've been a music student since i was 5yo and i'm not as dense as u think i am when it comes to self learning an instrument. Anyone who has the tinniest common sense knows that basic skills are the vital key to perfection. I'm a music teacher too so please, i KNOW the basics. Dont get me started with improvement because i KNOW what i'm doing.


makrawl
Canine Addict


Oct 27, 2004, 11:46 PM

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well, it's just a little opinion from me and i never have any intension to instruct or order anyone to follow my opinion and thinking that other ppl know NOTHING about music. (in fact, everyone is born with sense of music)

dear, music is a pleasure to enjoy. so, calm down.

Good Day

Mak


TOPDOG
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Nov 1, 2004, 10:48 AM

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after reading your post.... i suddenly have this statement in my head.... gee... the sea is "salty and wet" and u r soaking in it! Laugh AMOUR..... AMOUR..... AMOUR......

Ahahahahahaha SlySlySlySly
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TOPDOG
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Nov 1, 2004, 10:50 AM

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heh..so you like penang huh?

glad to know! Cool
I am Penang Blood ler. Father is 100% Penang kia la. Still got house in Bukit Gelugor Smile
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kesuke
Doggyman


Nov 6, 2004, 10:44 AM

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oh really..ehhe..very good!

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makrawl
Canine Addict


Mar 4, 2005, 2:17 AM

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i just got a 2 yo black labrador to stay with me. MACK.

a very happy go lucky dog.

any experience to share with me on lab?? coz this is the first time i keep a dog with this size. and gee.... he really eats a lot!

one more thing..... he gets very very excited when i shouted "NO"! when i caught him doing wrong things. he thought i was playing with him. and..... he likes to pick my socks or slippers away from me and wait for me to chase after him.... (which i won't! but don't know what to do) even when i call him politely to come over.... he'll come about a feet away from me and bow in front of me and get ready to jump back as i approach (he is waiting for that!). and..... he likes to chase after my water hose to drink when i water my garden plants... a splash at the face will make him even want more! does your lab likes water as much as mine????

Hmm..... i wonder.


(This post was edited by makrawl on Mar 4, 2005, 2:25 AM)

 
 




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